Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

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This is a thread about a disgraceful war lads, nobody is coming out of it well. What exactly do you want?
I don’t know, I just read a post saying roughly “isn’t it nice the British public have raised X amount” only for it to be batted back with a bucketload of negativity. Our government are cnuts & we’re worse for voting them in etc etc. We know…. feck me isn’t there enough threads detailing that.
 

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I have no idea either, yet.
I don’t know, I just read a post saying roughly “isn’t it nice the British public have raised X amount” only for it to be batted back with a bucketload of negativity. Our government are cnuts & we’re worse for voting them in etc etc. We know…. feck me isn’t there enough threads detailing that.
Yeah, ah I just think it's not that unusual to see any amount of praise for anyone knocked back in this context. Nobody is really doing enough.
 

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Yeah, ah I just think it's not that unusual to see any amount of praise for anyone knocked back in this context. Nobody is really doing enough.
Your probably right. It’s Sunday night and I’m tetchy
 

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how long are the Russian people going to tolerate this? Mass protests and arrests today. Surely this will reach boiling point soon..
You underestimate fear and complacency, unfortunately. The former in Russia, the latter in the West.

Talking to people in my circle in the West, everyone just accepts surveillance, saying they have nothing to hide. That's all well and good until someone decides they are going to find something you've hidden, real or not.
 

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Depressing. Do the military experts on Twitter think that this is likely to succeed?
I'm not at all a military expert, but for what it's worth I say "no".

From what I've read, in a big city environs the attackers will lose troops in a roughly 6:1 ratio compared to determined defenders. I'd imagine there are many thousands of Ukrainian troops inside Kiev, well-armed, in defendable positions, highly motivated.

If the Russians really do try to take the city with troops who don't want to be there and whose hearts are really not in it, when their losses hit maybe10,0000 in and around Kiev - and the remaining Russian troops know that there are still many thousands of defenders left - the Russian army will disintegrate: large-scale desertions and surrenders in order to avoid the meat grinder.
 

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They haven’t had this? Economy in tatters, everything pulling out of the country, prison for protesting or talking out of turn about the war..
The West is effectively returning Russia to the Soviet era. During Soviet times, you couldn't even buy chocolate without special tokens.

I don't know enough to give you too many examples but I recently have started asking my seniors a bit more about this, since it was never taught to me in school.
 

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I have no idea either, yet.
They haven’t had this? Economy in tatters, everything pulling out of the country, prison for protesting or talking out of turn about the war..
They have had degrees of this over the last 100 years. They have a bigger tolerance for a strongarm state than most. Hopefully this is the tipping point though.
 

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They have had degrees of this over the last 100 years. They have a bigger tolerance for a strongarm state than most. Hopefully this is the tipping point though.
I think the big difference is that this time they've had two or three decades of (sort of) democracy and (mostly) free speech. They've never had them and lost them before.
 

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Considering that Putin has now torn up the Budapest Memorandum not once but twice by invading Ukrainian land, has his army bombing civilians during not one but two ceasefires, and controls Russia with lies and punishments for anyone who says otherwise, I wouldn't really trust anything that Russia agree to. It just feels like kicking the can down the road and Ukraine would be back in this position within a decade.
Maybe so, but Putin might be dead by then. In any case, in a few years, with continued sanctions, Russia will be in economic ruins, perhaps mired in civil unrest, and in no position to finance or mount another invasion. Moreover, the Ukrainian army, with NATO support, will be larger, better trained and better armed than now.

Besides, the only alternative to reaching some kind of deal with Putin would seem to be months of war, leading into years.
 

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Shelling during a cease fire for evacuations, classy them Russians. Seriously someone just put a bullet in Putin.
 

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I wish TikTok was blocked in the West. I fecking despise it.
I agree and every time I mention this to my slightly younger colleagues, I feel like a boomer :lol: .

As for this piece of news, I think it's bad since a lot of intelligence is coming from TikTok and also Ukrainian videos.
 

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I agree and every time I mention this to my slightly younger colleagues, I feel like a boomer :lol: .

As for this piece of news, I think it's bad since a lot of intelligence is coming from TikTok and also Ukrainian videos.
Well, unless they define Ukraine as part of Russia then it shouldn't affect the Ukrainians you'd think? It will hinder protesters in Russia though.
 

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Nice source.
It looks dodgy as hell but then this is yellow pages information, so I thought it's mostly public knowledge.

If it's bollocks, I'll remove the post.
 

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Well, unless they define Ukraine as part of Russia then it shouldn't affect the Ukrainians you'd think? It will hinder protesters in Russia though.
It's about what Russians can see. All the other socials have already 'left', so all these appeals for Russian action on Twitter are slightly pointless.
 

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Yeah, mate, the Ukrainians should stop being so negative. You tell them.

Do you even realise the kind of crisis Europe is facing? We're talking about millions of displaced people already and it's only just starting.

And the UK government comes out, talks the big game and barely helps any refugees. There's wanting to be positive and then there's wanting a pat on the back for thinking about the Ukrainians for a day or two, donating a few quid and going to a protest in your peaceful country with Ukrainian flags. It's commendable but it won't be nearly enough.

Personally, if I was Ukranian running for my life, hungry, tired, cold in the middle of a snowy winter, I would hardly give a toss if someone sang a song for me on the other side of the world. Maybe that's just me or maybe I'm just being realistic.
The UK spends billions every year on the intelligence services which predicted and published freely to all exactly the scale of the problem Ukraine and Europe was facing. Only to be told by everyone we were fear mongering or panicking.

The reason the displaced people even have a chance at escape is because of the immense bravery of Ukrainian service men using in part British supplied weapons we flew in around the German no fly zone and the training UK soldiers gave to them which has helped to stop the Russian advance on Kyiv.

Do I wish the UK govt did more for the refugees, yes I do. I have never voted conservative and never will.

I think you have a memory like a sieve and chip on your shoulder.

The Russians have made it quite clear that it is the UK who they feel is most responsible for their pain and who they will be looking to respond against first/most. To me that says it all.