Don't know what's worse, the word or the people that use it.
Roman Abramovich plans to sell Chelsea | SOLD for £4.25BN
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Almost if those posts weren’t meant to advance the discussion, but are actually a way for people to absolve themselves of any wrongdoing. It’s easy to be right all the time if everyone else is either a hypocrite, or some woke idiot.
Should I be upset because of everything Abramovich did and how he used the club to advance his agenda? No, of course not. It’s the critics who are wrong. They are just woke hypocrites.
It is true, ain't it?
Russian public have been suspended by loads of companies. In layman terms, Russia (public specifically) is being thrown back into stone age.
Consumer Goods: Uniqlo, H&M, Nike, Adidas, Unilever (Dove and Sunsilk brands)
Finance: Western Union, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Amex, Master Card, Visa
Food: Burger King, McD, KFC, PizzaHut, Pepsico, Starbucks, Carlsberg, Heineken
Media: Netflix, Amazon, Disney, Sony, Warner Bros
Tech: Google search, Youtube, Sony PS, Microsoft and Apple sales and several internet access providers
Transport: UPS, DHL, Fedex, Airbus. Boeing (suspend parts/maintenance/tech support)
And several manufacturing companies at least.
It's not. The poster seemed to be insinuating discriminaton, while those businesses you listed were simply pulling out of Russia. It's not like they are refusing to serve Russians in other countries, are they?
It's hardly like they've just not got round to others. I don't want to side with those shouting hypocrisy because they're clearly doing it from a position of toys being thrown out of the pram but it is 100% hypocrisy from the government.
Unless of course we all think the government have had an awakening but i don't think anybody does. Better one than none but I'm hoping football fans will call for more action rather than just justifying the more targeted approach.
Yes, would be better if they wouldn’t turn a blind eye there. It’s still better to act on any wrongdoing than not acting at all.
Your local police might turn a blind eye on the drug dealers two corners down the street. But surely you wouldn’t oppose them arresting the drug dealer in the playground right in front of your house out of principal?
And yes, there is a bias to Europeans, because people can relate more when the cultural background is the same. It’s how human empathy works. That’s, among other things, why your will be more likely to donate for a cancer charity after someone you know had to deal with the heartache of the disease.
But even still, this is all before we take into account that Western leaders obviously turned a blind eye on “white” Ukrainians before, during the annexation of Crimea. But with there being a real risk of this war expanding beyond Ukraine they are now basically trying to put a dent into a Russian war machine.
So setting aside the empathy part and taking into account the massive financial difficulties the sanctions on Russia bring about for most European countries, I think it is safe to say they act out of fear for stability and peace in Europe as a whole. And I think it is obvious why that hits closer to home than any conflict elsewhere.
Interesting. Guess we'll have to see how this plays out.
No, it's very simple
Saudi Arabia is one of the best allies of UK now, they aren't gonna do anything against one of its allies actions, super simple.
Russia isn't a close ally to UK, hasn't been since WW2.
Plus Ukraine wants to join NATO.
Haa ok. My bad then.
The United States of America, Australia and British Government invaded Iraq and hundreds of thousands were killed including civilians women and children. There were no apologies when they can't find any WMDS. Instead, they proceed to steal hundreds of billions of oil from Iraq leaving the country and it's people in deep hardship. Much worse than what's happening in Ukraine now. I can't remember a single sanction from the western countries.
People who don't see this are being deliberately obtuse imo.
The difference in response to this Ukraine invasion and the invasions made by the so called civilised nations is jarring.
On the thread topic, what's the latest on what could happen to Chelsea?
Same it was yesterday. No real updates since the bombshell dropped yesterday morning.
If I was to guess, I would imagine the government will amend the special licence they've allowed Chelsea to operate under and give the club a bit more breathing room to operate normally until the end of the season. It should be easy enough to allow Chelsea to function like a normal club with a full house while ensuring Abramovich does not benefit from any incoming revenue.
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So what is the worse case scenario in this for Chelsea
Huge mistake by the countries involved. I think we all agree on that, but should they set a rule for the next war? Isn't it good that this time every EU-country steps up and doesn't want a war?
Yes, it should've been done before, doesn't mean it shouldn't happen now.
Whataboutism isn't gonna fix anything
We could be relegated. That does not look like what is going to happen. There is already talk of how Chelsea can continue to sell gameday tickets.
How about Yemen? Anyway, we should stop here. Wrong threads.
Administration. Point deductions etc. It's not hard to imagine the fate that awaits the club in that terrible scenario.
Ask USA and UK, and all the countries who do businesses with Saudi Arabia, which also includes feck ton on MENA and Asian countries btw.
That's it then, anyone can do whatever they want.
I think we all understand the hypocrisy of the UK government. No-one here is under any illusions that this government is some kind of bastion of moral purity. Pointing out that hypocrisy is fine as long as it isn't done in name of absolving Abramovich, or as a way to imply Abramovich being sanctioned is unfair or unjust. We all understand the UK's relationship with Saudi Arabia and how problematic that relationship is. We all understand how problematic Newcastle's ownership is, and yes, absolutely, something should be done about that but, and this is important, something should be done about Abramovich too and the fact that it is happening shouldn't be seen as an opporunity to bemoan the hypocrisy and corruption we all know exists, it should be applauded and hope that he is the first of many to fall.
No, it's not.
In this article from The Guardian it sounds like the British government are taking over the sale? just a snippet, not the full article.
However the government is keen to target Abramovich rather than Chelsea, which it views as a “significant cultural asset”, and it will consider an application for a new licence that would permit a sale. Chris Philp, the digital and technology minister, said on Friday that Abramovich would be prevented from selling the club but potential buyers could approach the government with takeover proposals as long as the Russian would not benefit from the deal.
The viability of potential buyers is being discussed in political circles. Boehly and Wyss remain confident that their consortium, which includes an unnamed businessman, will be viewed favourably by the government and Premier League.
It is understood that Candy, a Tory donor, is also seen as a strong contender to buy Chelsea. The property developer is working on finding investors and his proposals include plans for an expensive redevelopment of Stamford Bridge, which could work in his favour. Candy, a Chelsea fan, is worth a reported £1.5bn.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...us-chelsea-buyers-government-roman-abramovich
However the government is keen to target Abramovich rather than Chelsea, which it views as a “significant cultural asset”, and it will consider an application for a new licence that would permit a sale. Chris Philp, the digital and technology minister, said on Friday that Abramovich would be prevented from selling the club but potential buyers could approach the government with takeover proposals as long as the Russian would not benefit from the deal.
The viability of potential buyers is being discussed in political circles. Boehly and Wyss remain confident that their consortium, which includes an unnamed businessman, will be viewed favourably by the government and Premier League.
It is understood that Candy, a Tory donor, is also seen as a strong contender to buy Chelsea. The property developer is working on finding investors and his proposals include plans for an expensive redevelopment of Stamford Bridge, which could work in his favour. Candy, a Chelsea fan, is worth a reported £1.5bn.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...us-chelsea-buyers-government-roman-abramovich
Yeah if you can't fix everything at once then you should just leave it and do nothing apparently. Otherwise you're a hypocrite and Woke which we all know is the absolute worst thing a person can be.
Some of the takes in here, lots of them from Chelsea fans unsurprisingly, are fecking Daily Mail level disgusting.
How anyone can see all this and decide it's wokeness that is the thing to fight against is staggering.
There is? How so?
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If you put everyone on ignore that uses the term „woke“ and „snowflake“ you won’t be missing out on anything interesting.
I don't see why anyone who wants nothing more out of this than a vanity thing would want to take over Chelsea at this point. You'd be replacing a popular owner who put billions of his own money in and you'd be doing it under inauspicious circumstances.
Of course, the new owner(s) might take the Glazer model. Leech the club dry without showing the kind of ambition for winning things that Roman has shown in his time in Chelsea.
Chelsea will tank in value soon enough, what buyer is going to want to buy high now?
This is ripe for disaster capitalists to pounce on
It's people using the term "woke" that need to be dropped. It's fecking embarrassing.
Anyway, if you think Abramovich didn't buy the club with stolen money for self-protection and to enhance his image, then you do need to "wake" up.
Does my head in. People use the word "woke" as an excuse for saying stupid crap when they get a load of flak for it.It's people using the term "woke" that need to be dropped. It's fecking embarrassing.
Anyway, if you think Abramovich didn't buy the club with stolen money for self-protection and to enhance his image, then you do need to "wake" up.
It looks like the license to operate is something that will change as the government works with Chelsea to allow the club to operate as close to normal without Roman receiving profit. All parties that want to purchase Chelsea are now being told to contact the government with proposals.
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/s...changes-its-licence-pms-spokesman-2022-03-11/
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/s...n-approach-uk-government-minister-2022-03-11/
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/s...changes-its-licence-pms-spokesman-2022-03-11/
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/s...n-approach-uk-government-minister-2022-03-11/
Exactly. That's why I don't buy this "goodness of their hearts/morals"narrative they are pushing
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Best to just wind up the club now.
No. But your replies are proof you aren't even playing at it.
That's the problem of being too eager to appear clever. You are still missing the point.
The UK government doesn't have the moral high ground to do this bogus sanction shit and claim they are doing it out of some moral desire to stand with Ukraine. Not when they and their allies invaded Iraq illegally under false pretenses in the recent past. Plus are all gladly in business with interests from Saudi Arabia, currently fecking up Yemen in more brutal fashion than anything Russia has done in Ukraine thus far. Not to mention what happened to the late Jamal Kashoogi. Newcastle was just bought by such interests. The UK government still doesn't give a shit. This is just them scoring cheap geo political points. Period. Not a thing remotely praise worthy.
Looks like we are hated by most than even Putin himself. . Hope now all the govts against Russia keep engage with Putin to stop this bloody war. Real victims are Ukrainian people.
Punished abramovich for blood money. Punished Chelsea as a benefactor from that blood money. Punished Russian people for being russian by imposing sanctions.
Now need to help Ukrainian people by ask Putin to stop this war. That's all really matters.
. Hope now all the govts against Russia keep engage with Putin to stop this bloody war. Real victims are Ukrainian people.Punished abramovich for blood money. Punished Chelsea as a benefactor from that blood money. Punished Russian people for being russian by imposing sanctions.
Now need to help Ukrainian people by ask Putin to stop this war. That's all really matters.