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The translation is accurate enough but from what I gathered, he's actually saying it doesn't need to be a nuclear warhead and he's basically saying we'll scare the Americans because the risk of 10k casualties will seem like 10m to the US population. I personally don't follow the logic, it feels like something like logic the Japanese devised for Pearl Harbour.

The guy is obviously off his rocker since he doesn't even talk about Russia but about the USSR. Small dick mentality and all that.

EDIT: I guess he does say it might be nuclear because he says that's where Americans test nuclear weapons, so there's an implication.

 


I did wonder about this. Perhaps someone will come up with a website where Ukrainians who want to come to the UK (I do genuinely believe by the way that most wouldn't) can register to be linked with those who have a spare room?
 
Your understanding of it is nonsense. Have you read article 5?

I haven't but I think it says something like "If a Russian farts near to a NATO country then we will immediately instigate WW3 in case Dal thinks Article 5 is nonsense".

I may be paraphrasing.
 
Was thinking of this. If these Russian heads have family in the UK, France etc, surely that in itself would prevent nuclear war?
Seems an omission what a crooked farce they are. Zombify a nation and send them to die, but their own blood can live life to its fullest
 
Was thinking of this. If these Russian heads have family in the UK, France etc, surely that in itself would prevent nuclear war?
This is why I reckon he won't even get close to pushing that button well unless all of this top aids have no family and have dedicated their lives to Putin.
 
Was thinking of this. If these Russian heads have family in the UK, France etc, surely that in itself would prevent nuclear war?

Seems an omission what a crooked farce they are. Zombify a nation and send them to die, but their own blood can live life to its fullest

Sergei Lavrov, the warhawk foreign minister also has a daughter who lives in the United States.

The thing is, in the event of nuclear war, it'll be no safer in Russia than in the USA. Very rural areas in both nations - especially agricultural communities in Russia; east of the Urals and in Siberia will likely be safe from the initial nuclear exchanges and fireballs. But damage to infrastructure and disconnection from the outside world, as well as fallout and potentially global warming will eventually take their toll on most people.
 
Could somebody who speaks Russian confirm that this translation is correct?

It appears to be a Russian politician suggesting that Russia launches a nuclear strike in the Nevada desert to send a warning to the USA, but I'm not sure if the wording of the caption is accurate. Thanks in advance

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It is correct.
 
The longer this carries on the higher the risk it spirals out of control with other countries being invovled in war. I wonder what Russia will do if sweden and finland joins nato with all the threats Russia been making toward those 2.
 
The longer this carries on the higher the risk it spirals out of control with other countries being invovled in war. I wonder what Russia will do if sweden and finland joins nato with all the threats Russia been making toward those 2.

They can't really do much given 3/4 of their military is in Ukraine with bits and pieces of the rest spread around Russia, Armenia, and Syria. Finland and Sweden should join now while Russia can't do anything about it. Once they're in NATO, Russia can just complain.
 
They can't really do much given 3/4 of their military is in Ukraine with bits and pieces of the rest spread around Russia, Armenia, and Syria. Finland and Sweden should join now while Russia can't do anything about it. Once they're in NATO, Russia can just complain.
Sweden I am sure can stop a similar invasion on its track, they are armed to the teeth and have superb own defense sector. NATO membership will be needed for the deterrent of course.
 
Sweden I am sure can stop a similar invasion on its track, they are armed to the teeth and have superb own defense sector. NATO membership will be needed for the deterrent of course.
Sweden is also protected by the simple fact that it hasn't got a common border with Russia. Russia would either have to take Finland first, or would have to launch the invasion through the Baltic Sea. Looking at the state of their fleet, that wouldn't be an invasion, that would be a bloodshed. Only Russian blood most likely.
 
That's what misinformation does to you. If you really don't have to take on resisting forces, an invasion of Kiyv from Belarus could follow this timeline:
- have a nice breakfast
- get into your tank, drive for a few hours
- stop for a little lunch picnic just outside the city
- drive into the city, arrest the Nazi president, let yourself be celebrated and given flowers by the people
- celebrate, get drunk and sleep
- on the next morning make sure you installed a nice new president and not for example put a horse into office
- drive back. Will take the whole day instead of a half as you are still drunk after your celebrations.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
The longer this carries on the higher the risk it spirals out of control with other countries being invovled in war. I wonder what Russia will do if sweden and finland joins nato with all the threats Russia been making toward those 2.
No, the longer this carries on the more carnage this causes to the Ukraine and Russia, but nearly all other countries will not touch this with a 10 foot barge pole. The biggest impact will be felt by Russia.

This is literally their fight, or more specifically, Putin’s fight and the West and China are waiting in the wings to pick up the spoils.
 
No, the longer this carries on the more carnage this causes to the Ukraine and Russia, but nearly all other countries will not touch this with a 10 foot barge pole. The biggest impact will be felt by Russia.

This is literally their fight, or more specifically, Putin’s fight and the West and China are waiting in the wings to pick up the spoils.
I hope you are right.
 
If sweden joined nato now it would divide the country, not unite it. While there is decent fluctuating casual support for nato there are also large groups with very strong sentiments against nato especially left of center.
 
If sweden joined nato now it would divide the country, not unite it. While there is decent fluctuating casual support for nato there are also large groups with very strong sentiments against nato especially left of center.

What are the arguments against joining NATO presented by the left of centre?
 
Is it not better to stay neutral?

Neutral in the face of a brutal dictator? And when the alternative is banding together with other democracies in an alliance that pretty much ensures that Russia will never dare to attack Sweden?

The answer to those questions is obvious to me.
 
Sure, until you’re invaded.

Beyond that, Sweden has participated in 4 NATO led military campaigns and has an agreement in place to let NATO use bases in the country for training and for combat if Sweden were attacked, so…

They are not a former Soviet State.
That is where I was going with this.
The history of Ukraine is well documented.
Rightly or wrongly Russia/Putin think they have a say with what happens in Ukraine. They have a sizeable Russian population that wants to be part of Russia. The Maidan conflict.

It would be wrong to lump Ukraine and Sweden together in this.

EDIT:

You can also include Finland that is neutral in this.
 
Neutral in the face of a brutal dictator? And when the alternative is banding together with other democracies in an alliance that pretty much ensures that Russia will never dare to attack Sweden?

The answer to those questions is obvious to me.

No one is saying Putin is a nice guy.

He does not have a rationale to invade Sweden. See my answer to CR.
 
They are not a former Soviet State.
That is where I was going with this.
The history of Ukraine is well documented.
Rightly or wrongly Russia/Putin think they have a say with what happens in Ukraine. They have a sizeable Russian population that wants to be part of Russia. The Maidan conflict.

It would be wrong to lump Ukraine and Sweden together in this.

EDIT:

You can also include Finland that is neutral in this.

First, they're not Russians. They are Ukrainians who happen to speak Russian as their first language.

Second, they've now seen first-hand what life under Russia means. I'd doubt if more than 5% of them want to be part of Russia - and many of those will have already moved to Crimea or the eastern "independent republics"
 
No one is saying Putin is a nice guy.

He does not have a rationale to invade Sweden. See my answer to CR.

Good. Then he'd have even less of a rationale to invade a Sweden protected by NATO forces that would destroy any Russian attack in a matter of hours.
 
First, they're not Russians. They are Ukrainians who happen to speak Russian as their first language.

Second, they've now seen first-hand what life under Russia means. I'd doubt if more than 5% of them want to be part of Russia - and many of those will have already moved to Crimea or the eastern "independent republics"

Fair enough.


But these people wanted a pro Russian government which was removed.

As I said Russia does not have a 'claim' to Sweden.
 
Fair enough.


But these people wanted a pro Russian government which was removed.

As I said Russia does not have a 'claim" to Sweden.

The evidence for that is what? Rigged elections held under Putin's instruction?
 
They are not a former Soviet State.
That is where I was going with this.
The history of Ukraine is well documented.
Rightly or wrongly Russia/Putin think they have a say with what happens in Ukraine. They have a sizeable Russian population that wants to be part of Russia. The Maidan conflict.

It would be wrong to lump Ukraine and Sweden together in this.

EDIT:

You can also include Finland that is neutral in this.
Just wrongly, big guy. Just wrongly.

Dunno why you’re bringing up “they’re not a former Soviet state” bit. We’re talking about joining NATO or not, not if they’ve got history. Which… they do… it’s just from the Russia Empire era.

And about Finland, sure… if you ignore the whole getting invaded by the USSR twice thing.