This is his seventh season, and he's had only one ('19-20) where he scored the number of goals expected of a forward. Granted he was very young in the first two or three seasons, but last season he had 37 league appearances and scored 11, and it's not as though he was subbed in for the last five minutes in the majority of those games. I'm fine if we keep him next season, but if he doesn't come good by then, it's hard to justify sticking with him any further than that. This is turning into another Welbeck situation. He'll be 25 this year, and if he hasn't proven anything by then, odds are exceedingly low that he's really got it. A player who is horrendously bad for a literal entire season is very, very unlikely to have anything special. Last season he was only good in the Europa League as well, he did nothing in any other competition.
Rashford considering his future...
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He has 2 older brothers on his PR team. I can't tell how much and what type of an influence they have on him, but whatever they do is not working the right way at all.
On top of being mentally weak himself, his entourage looks like a crock of shit as well. Total recipe for disaster.
A lot of people in this thread seem to have a deep insight into Rashfords mentality.
Only when it's Rashford. When Fellaini was booed before the game, during the game and after the game the fans have a right. Now it's Rashford and it was not even abuse. It was perfectly acceptable criticism. That's now abuse.
No wonder this club is where it is. Lots of fans at least here are fans of the managers or the players.
If you can't take the heat don't get into the kitchen.
Now Eric was abused. Rashford, hell No.
As much as fellaini was scapegoat, I would.much prefer him in our side with his warrior attitude and work ethic over a lot of our primadonna players. I always felt ole moved on and snubbed too many players with the right attitude in favour of a lot mentally weak players
You have a better explanation? All we see out there is a player refusing to bust his guts in his attempt to get out of a slump. How can a lack of effort be justified from the second he steps on that pitch?
His PR team are doing major damage to him, but too dumb and brazen to even see it. Only a week ago day after the humiliating derby where Rashford was again dreadful and we have the story of him being unhappy and looking elsewhere. Fans dont forget this stuff, and PRashford have only themselves to blame. Even Ralf called him and his family out last week after it
Liverpool are interested, phone not stopped ringing...BUT...
. His team are ridiculousHe was poor no doubt. Pogba wasn't any better. Some of the players who started weren't great either.
He could come on for just 5 mins and that would be enough for some on here.
Utd fans need to start focusing on the real problem. The owners and board.
Barca can have him. Them being interested in him is just an example of how shit their transfers have been for the most part the last couple of years.
Big name and fee signings were a disaster for them (except Frenkie). Rashford would just be another one. Their young guns and under the radar signings are saving them currently.
Big name and fee signings were a disaster for them (except Frenkie). Rashford would just be another one. Their young guns and under the radar signings are saving them currently.
Currently, he's not a very good footballer. I see no huge impact if he decides to leave.
So let me get it right. A player who is paid disproportionately to his ability, refuses to run hard in games and is probably to blame for a lot of leaks to the press. Still plays shit, and has the audacity to blank fans - gets the most lamest comment thrown at him and that entitles him to offer a fan out for a fight? And then it gets liked by the actual club. United ability to cultivate the right mentality in our youngsters is shocking.
Neither the mentality nor the talent. He's a good player on his day, with a lot of flaws still, but capable of getting you 20+ goals a season in a functional side which should have some value if he can get back to that. But he's not someone I ever considered a superstar talent. You also have to wonder if the way he was managed through his injuries has had a permanent outcome on his ability to get back to his best.
It's really not even worth him coming on for 5 mins these days. The owners or board or Pogba or whoever else we want to deflect attention to doesn't change how poor he has been for a very long time.
Like it or not we will have to keep a hold of him for atleast 2 more seasons. With Cavani leaving, Ronaldo potentially leaving if no CL, Martial out the door and Greenwood of to prison FC, we are very light upfront. IDK if there are any academy kids ready to step up but we cant just throw a kid upfront and say score 20 goals. I feel rashford will find himself leading our line next season and I hope to god he finds some form.
Unless we get Haaland
Unless we get Haaland
The owners have spent the money. But they are responsible for the board. The board have hired shit managers. The managers have signed shit players.
But right now the playing squad is the biggest problem.
They're interested in him just like PSG wanted Mourinho back in early 2018.
He's only baiting the club into giving him a better and improved contract.
Good riddance. Never thought he was anything more than a backup attacker who can come in and run at tired defenses. He's not skilled enough to be a winger and not clinical enough to be a striker, even if he does stay we should be looking to bring in a quality option on the right.
It’s a tricky one.
The chances to sell him for a good sum are probably this summer all things considered.
If he stays and has a good season next year then his contract will only have 1 year to go…so any sale would be limited.
But do United want to give him an extension after this season…it would be a big risk to sign him up on a bigger wage for 4-5 seasons.
The right choice for the player and club aren’t clear in this case.
The chances to sell him for a good sum are probably this summer all things considered.
If he stays and has a good season next year then his contract will only have 1 year to go…so any sale would be limited.
But do United want to give him an extension after this season…it would be a big risk to sign him up on a bigger wage for 4-5 seasons.
The right choice for the player and club aren’t clear in this case.
well i mentioned them as two different things
I referred to events outside Old Trafford as criticism and I talked about abuse online
I literally differentiated between them several times
the thing they have in common, despite being different things is they can affect someones mental health
no idea what you are on about mate - maybe read back and review - best to leave it there
Just coming back to laugh at Liverpool being interested and about the phone that keeps ringing
But I'm not talking about the online abuse because it has nothing to do with the guy on the video. If online abuse is the reason why Rashford behave like that to people who don't abuse him and Rashford himself still believe it's the right thing to do, then he needs to stop playing and have some medication.
yes but as i explained - a number of times in this thread i will add
Online abuse + poor performances + factors we are not aware of + criticism outside the stadium = Rashford's reaction
The context of whats going in the big picture obviously has an impact unless you are completely ignorant
the 'he needs to stop playing and have some medication line is quite something though'
Here we go, excuses again. You just told me all of those affect his mental health. If you have mental health issue, then it's only right to take a break and get some medication help!! If he doesn't have the mental issue then get a grip and acknowledge what he did was wrong.
I couldn't care less about "one of our own" bs and why are people making so many excuses for his extended period of underperformance? Does every player that is not upto the standards need mental help? Havent seen so many excuses made for a player. It was the same with Lingard when he came out with his story.The lack of empathy for one of our own is disturbing on this forum. There are so many posts like this one, not just aimed at Rashford but several of our players.
It's all Marc Goldbridge's fault
Honestly I think utd fans deserve what they are getting right now because how quick they are in getting the excuses out for not so good players.
We all have mental health issues
We all have times we react badly
We all have times we lash out
Should we all be on medication or maybe you dont know what you are talking about?
To be fair we grew up with fergie giving the infamous hairdryer treatment and booting beckham in the face. Now imagine rangnick kicking a boot in anger because rahsford didn't track back and it hits rashford in the face requiring stitches and rashford rants about it on sm, there would be a virtual riot calling for rangnicks head on a spike.
If a remember correctly keane got punched in the face for being cocky with clough at nottingham.
If you have mental health issue then you should.
He could easily just said, what I did was wrong and I apologise to everyone including people on that video, I was mentally too emotional after what has happened to me recently. But he didn't. Instead, he was making excuses to defend his action by blaming the guy on the video that he was abused by the guy. He's not acknowledging his mistake, he's defending his action by blaming the guy who only did soft criticism.
I have never said that it acceptable to abuse anyone. I find it funny how quick he is to respond to criticism hiding behind his essays but never respond on the pitch. I see no evidence of him trying, TRYING to put things right. All I see him is strolling around the pitch sulking.
Sorry but that is unacceptable for me and I can't support such players who can't be arsed. Show some fight and I stand by him. Not at the moment. He has lost that from the fans.
The meltdown when he and Martial stay next summer for a new start under a new manager The club is in a seriously bad situation with strikers at the moment, with two leaving at the end of the season most likely and another possibly being fired by the club, i'd be very surprised if Rashford was let go.
...even more that Barca would want him. Even at his very best Rashford just does not strike me as a Barca player in the slightest. Not having a go at him but if they want to get back to where they were and they play the traditional Barca way then, ...Rashford is just not a Barca player.
The club is in a seriously bad situation with strikers at the moment, with two leaving at the end of the season most likely and another possibly being fired by the club, i'd be very surprised if Rashford was let go....even more that Barca would want him. Even at his very best Rashford just does not strike me as a Barca player in the slightest. Not having a go at him but if they want to get back to where they were and they play the traditional Barca way then, ...Rashford is just not a Barca player.
Yes we have lots of underperforming players, ever wonder why they’re not performing? It’s not like Rashford, Martial, Shaw, Pogba, Maguire, Cavani & AWB all turned into bad players over night, even Sancho has only had a handful of good games all season. There’s something not right at the club, blaming the players isn’t correct.
Oh and by the way the owners haven’t spent the money, they’ve allowed the club to spend money it generated on players.
The owners piss poor management and planning has far bigger impacts on the players than you realise. If we were a well run club we’d be in a far far better position than we are now.
I’m hoping Ralf having a say at a higher level and working with a 1st manager with a similar philosophy then we’ll see massive improvements in the players and results.
How is it the owners and boards fault a player who supposedly loves the club doesn't even do the bare minimum to help himself out of the slump he's currently in. Just how? How?
You mentioned Pogba. Well he can feck off as well. The 2 of them are all that's wrong with the club. Horrible mentality from the both of them. Pogba checked out a long time ago. Any player can and will hit a slump in form. It's how they deal with it which will make all the difference. They can either give 110% effort even if the form isn't there or they can down tools and blame everyone and everything but themselves. If he's still suffering from an injury or his mental health isn't right then he should ask to be taken out of the lime light for however long it takes. A supporter can forgive many things about a player but a severe lack of effort isn't one of them.
Take Dembele. When he came on at the Camp Nou after the club told him he wouldn't play for them again he had 80,000 booing him. Did he hide away? He's now producing the form of his life to shut his critics up which is a hell of a lot more than Rashfords doing.
Sink or swim. It's that easy.
We are actually in agreement. Yet
As I said. The onus is on him to be happy with reduced time when out of form. On top of ready to be rotated when competition is stiff. Right now, even with competition fleeting to none existent. Plus Ragnick has given him ample support in public. The message as yet from him and his camp is one of discontent with a reduced role (yet its his fault due to bad form) , blaming it on being out of position and considering his future as a result of those 2 things.
Truth be told, where United is right now we can't afford ANY discontent guys on our books if we desire to restore our previous glory. So if he keeps insisting on considering his future rather than working to be an inform key man again. We shouldn't stand in his way.
He's not up to standard this season, along with most of the United squad in truth, but he had exceeded those standards 12 months ago. Some still harbour hopes that he will eventually return to that form. Same for Shaw, Pogba, Maguire, Bruno, Fred and Martial, all of whom have proven to be significantly better players than we've seen this year.
It may be easy for fans such as yourself to cast aside those you no longer rate. It's not so easy for others.
"I couldn't care less about one of our own bs" speaks volumes. I wonder, though. Would you be so quick to condemn a less hated player like Varane or Sancho if they acted in the same way Rashford did the other night?
This one hurts more because he’s an academy lad, loves the club (which unfortunately is not in a position to carry strugglers or players trying to find form right now) by all accounts seems a decent guy and we know what he can do for us on the pitch from previous seasons.
Personally I expected the start of the season to be a write off from the moment he delayed that surgery till after the euros. Ole ran him into the ground but players will say they are ok to carry on playing with injections and the lad wanted to live out a dream playing at the euros, who can blame him if we take our United tinted glasses off.
He then suffered abuse after our Europa league defeat and again after the penalty miss for England. I knew the start of the season wouldn’t be easy for him.
Finally throw in the delayed surgery which was more frustrating due to the lack of game time at the euros and then a return to an unsettled club. Recipe for disaster.
I’m not making excuses for him. He has to accept responsibility, focus on football and get back to enjoying it. Players have to accept criticism based on match performances. But with all the other stuff going with him regarding social media I feel like it’s doing him more harm than good when combined with a lack of form and confidence
right now.
I’d be gutted he left on a whimper tbh.
Personally I expected the start of the season to be a write off from the moment he delayed that surgery till after the euros. Ole ran him into the ground but players will say they are ok to carry on playing with injections and the lad wanted to live out a dream playing at the euros, who can blame him if we take our United tinted glasses off.
He then suffered abuse after our Europa league defeat and again after the penalty miss for England. I knew the start of the season wouldn’t be easy for him.
Finally throw in the delayed surgery which was more frustrating due to the lack of game time at the euros and then a return to an unsettled club. Recipe for disaster.
I’m not making excuses for him. He has to accept responsibility, focus on football and get back to enjoying it. Players have to accept criticism based on match performances. But with all the other stuff going with him regarding social media I feel like it’s doing him more harm than good when combined with a lack of form and confidence
right now.
I’d be gutted he left on a whimper tbh.
He's not leaving.
New contract?
From that list you gave, Martial and Rashford have never been as talented as United fans made them out to be. Although both have definitely been criminally undercoached. Shaw and Maguire have never been top quality defenders. Pogba has always been horribly inconsistent. Cavani is 35. AWB has always been abysmal with the ball at his feet, and would struggle for game time at Norwich.
The idea that they're all blameless is redundant. Of course they're all a problem. Whether because they've given up on football like Rashford, given up on the club like Pogba, or they never had the talent for this level to begin with like Maguire and AWB. They are all a problem. They might not be to blame but it's not about blaming them, it's about replacing them with players who are talented and motivated enough.
One can only hope he leaves as he's simply not very good anymore. He won't leave though because he's a PR dream for the club. We'll see whether or not the next manager has the balls to tell him to sit on the bench or leave.
That's how I see it playing out. He's trying to create leverage hence the leak. A new manager will come in, he will be motivated and get a new deal.
Good chance that won't turn out well in the end.