Shane88
Actually Nostradamus
All Debut Wrestling. Every week it's someone new.
I haven't defended him, but unlike you I don't have an agenda so I'm able to comment on this impartially.But that's the point,
I would watch it, if it was worthy of the investment of time required, however, the quality of the product (not wrestling) is so poor from even 5 years ago.
Of course i will single out Vince, he runs every aspect of the show, no one else.
I've watched WWF & WCW since Wrestlemania 1989 and as a kid I rented out or bought all the old PPVs back then from Wrestlemania 1 onwards.
Today, the company makes crazy money whist providing a poor product and sacks so many talented people, because these guys have no clue how to use them.
NXT was the best thing they had, Vince destroyed it, because of his ego.
Vince is to blame for the good and the bad, why are you defending him so much?
That's the real question.
But the basis of the comment you’re replying to is why you feel the need to tell everyone that something is shit. Why is there a perception that people need to be told what they can and can’t enjoy? If you don’t like it, that’s fine, you’ve switched off.. good for you.But that's the point,
I would watch it, if it was worthy of the investment of time required, however, the quality of the product (not wrestling) is so poor from even 5 years ago.
Of course i will single out Vince, he runs every aspect of the show, no one else.
I've watched WWF & WCW since Wrestlemania 1989 and as a kid I rented out or bought all the old PPVs back then from Wrestlemania 1 onwards.
Today, the company makes crazy money whist providing a poor product and sacks so many talented people, because these guys have no clue how to use them.
NXT was the best thing they had, Vince destroyed it, because of his ego.
Vince is to blame for the good and the bad, why are you defending him so much?
That's the real question.
I'm with you, vince is so out of touch, he has lot the plot, I'll be watching mania, but it's the same as watching utd at the moment. I expect to he disappointed but keep tuning in in the hope I'm wrongI don't understand why some of you label me Anti WWE...
It's been thrown around for ages now and it's the complete opposite.
I call out a poor product, and there is only one person to blame for that.
Everyone on this forum calls out United and the owners and the players, for being poor and that's fine.
Vince is the ONLY person responsible, so therefore, he is the person to blame for all the bad and he is also the person to congratulate for all the good, regardless of who made it happen.
It is all him.
That is all I have said from day 1.
I do watch bits now and then of both WWE and AEW and AEW is doing a lot more right, more old school which is what people, who are fans of wrestling want. ,
The two are very different beasts and ultimately, I have no real problem with either, but I will be drawn to the better product that is AEW right now.
WWE and United (for example) right now are run solely for what is happening today, getting as much money today as possible, regardless of tomorrow or the future.
Ultimately, it's bad business in the long term, as United is proving and other American Sports teams before.
That's why both are in bad shape today, (outside of making crazy money).
All I want, is both to focus on today, whilst making plans for the future, so it's sustainable and makes you want to come back again and again.
Both are lazy business models, run by Americans who see short term as the success, based upon the amount of money they get, no matter how much is destroyed or who they alienate in the process.
Anyhow, I respect all your views, just don't brand me as anti WWE or Anti Vince, I'm not, I'm just a fan, who wants a better product and calls them out for not providing one.
Enjoy Mania everyone.
Exactly this.I'm with you, vince is so out of touch, he has lot the plot, I'll be watching mania, but it's the same as watching utd at the moment. I expect to he disappointed but keep tuning in in the hope I'm wrong
Yep, when vince dies probably.Exactly this.
I watched first hour of Smackdown last night and it was terrible sadly, and that's usually the good show.
At one point the women were the best thing to watch, now I can happily not watch any of them from the story building point of view.
They should just forget storylines and just throw them in the ring and wrestle, because it's pretty much what they do now anyhow.
But if history has shown as anything, eventually, there will be a turn around again and a little boom period once more.
The IC triple threat definitely wasn't terrible.Exactly this.
I watched first hour of Smackdown last night and it was terrible sadly, and that's usually the good show.
At one point the women were the best thing to watch, now I can happily not watch any of them from the story building point of view.
They should just forget storylines and just throw them in the ring and wrestle, because it's pretty much what they do now anyhow.
But if history has shown as anything, eventually, there will be a turn around again and a little boom period once more.
Two women, 1 match, it used to be they could build up all of them at the same time and every match was worth the investment.The IC triple threat definitely wasn't terrible.
Also Becky vs Bianca has had a very good build leading up to Mania? Definitely feels like a big match.
yeah. un;less you are a complete weirdo of a wrestling fan, you should think it's great. Wrestlers have somewhere to go now and the product AEW is putting out is superb. I've been praying WWE would sort their shit out for years now, but they haven't unfortunately. I mean, Wrestlemania is this weekend and for the first time since 1995, i couldn't care less. Roman V Brock 17, this time over 2 belts. Yeah, great.All Debut Wrestling. Every week it's someone new.
Undertakers reception.Anything worth watching from the hall of fame?
The rest of the HOF was pretty deadUndertakers reception.
1am Uk time I readWhat time does it start then guys?
Thank you1am Uk time I read
Definitely loud during the Steiner and Vader inductions. Almost defeaning during Taker's induction.The rest of the HOF was pretty dead
Yeah I was joking about the UndertakerDefinitely loud during the Steiner and Vader inductions. Almost defeaning during Taker's induction.
It'll be such a laugh if thats what happens. At this point anything other than Cody showing up, being presented as a big star and getting a win over Seth moving forward as someone who could have a legit shot at winning the world title is going to seem like an anticlimax.So Shane O Mac could be the swerve and Cody no shows?
Ronda v Charlotte match result spoilt already and why they moved it away from main event.
Gotta love WWE
Will watch it tomorrow morning to see how they go with this.It'll be such a laugh if thats what happens. At this point anything other than Cody showing up, being presented as a big star and getting a win over Seth moving forward as someone who could have a legit shot at winning the world title is going to seem like an anticlimax.
Its like if Punk didnt show up in AEW after the buildup and everyone expecting to see him
Cant see there being much more due to Austin's health but would be great for Owens to get a 5 min match or something from it. Main event talk show doesnt sound rightWill watch it tomorrow morning to see how they go with this.
I hope Austin ends up doing a match.
I saw interview he did last week and he talked about training and getting into ring shape, so would seem a lot of effort after 20 years, simply to cut a promo and issue a stunner.
See this kind of sums up why WWE is so frustrating.The IC triple threat definitely wasn't terrible.
My guess is Cody will be Seth's opponent. Shane will show up elsewhere. Maybe in some capacity in McAfee's match.I do think they’ll do something with Cody. I don’t think it’ll be as straightforward as Seth’s waiting and he comes out. Maybe it’s shane, Seth squashes him and then Cody comes out, I dunno.
I think he’ll be the opponent.. but I just expect them to try and be clever and do a fake swerve of some kind. I’m probably over thinking itMy guess is Cody will be Seth's opponent. Shane will show up elsewhere. Maybe in some capacity in McAfee's match.
To have Shane cone out to face Seth after all the Cody rumours and hints would be a terrible (hilarious) misreading even by WWE standards. Although at the same time I wouldn't exactly be shocked
I’m going to watch it in the morning. I’m too old and the kids are too energetic to stay up until 4am to see Shane vs SethWho else is staying up?
I'm actually glad it's not a 7 hour one night showI’m going to watch it in the morning. I’m too old and the kids are too energetic to stay up until 4am to see Shane vs Seth
yeah i'm here. i'm pirating though because i had zero desire to restore the network. How long is this pre-show?Who else is staying up?
2 hours until 1pmyeah i'm here. i'm pirating though because i had zero desire to restore the network. How long is this pre-show?
jesus.2 hours until 1pm