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[Roane]

ETH isn't going to come in and get rid of everyone. It's simply not feasible.

He will get rid of 1/2. Probably won't have a choice with those out of contract not wishing to renew.

He will need a nucleus of players, good bad or indifferent, to start with and then he will coach some, buy 1/2 and maybe bring some of the youngsters forward.

It will take a couple of windows, minimum, to see the real changes. Initially it's about getting the existing players to buy into his methods.

I'm not going to argue about whether likes of AWB are good enough or have been good enough. However I'm willing to see if they can change/improve under ETH. Maybe if we get a MF and have some movement in the final third likes of AWB are good enough to at least play until the pieces are in place. If not good enough to stay.

Unfortunately will need a little time and ETH may not be given that by fans who want instant improvement/success.

 

[Teja]

It will take a couple of windows, minimum, to see the real changes. Initially it's about getting the existing players to buy into his methods.

This will probably take the whole season.

It took guys like Arteta and Pep quite a while before the players understood what they demanded. In Pep's case I think City spent close to 200M giving him the players he wanted (Stones, Gundo, Sane, Jesus, Bravo etc. along with quality existing first team players like Kompany, Silva, KdB, Sterling, Fernandinho) in the first season only for them to finish 3rd. Best we can hope for is another ~100-120M window (accounting for wage / transfer inflation, it's more like 60-80M 2015 GBP vs 200M that City spent).

I think we'll def see shades of United under LvG first when we're still trying to work it out. I think Rangnick has laid some groundwork to make this easier but the real question is how much can Ten Hag adapt to the players he has rather than being a stickler to his ideology like Pep.

 

[FrankDrebin]

ETH isn't going to come in and get rid of everyone. It's simply not feasible.

He will get rid of 1/2. Probably won't have a choice with those out of contract not wishing to renew.

He will need a nucleus of players, good bad or indifferent, to start with and then he will coach some, buy 1/2 and maybe bring some of the youngsters forward.

It will take a couple of windows, minimum, to see the real changes. Initially it's about getting the existing players to buy into his methods.

I'm not going to argue about whether likes of AWB are good enough or have been good enough. However I'm willing to see if they can change/improve under ETH. Maybe if we get a MF and have some movement in the final third likes of AWB are good enough to at least play until the pieces are in place. If not good enough to stay.

Unfortunately will need a little time and ETH may not be given that by fans who want instant improvement/success.

The fans are not the ones I'm worried about.
Everyone, everyone here is not expecting overnight success.

The former ex players though ? 50/50.

 

[Bondi77]

Has ETH got personality because he will need it.

 

[Roane]

The real question is how much can Ten Hag adapt to the players he has rather than being a stickler to his ideology like Pep.

This is the only "worry" I have about ETH. I'm excited about his appointment, however Ajax seem to have everything in place with how they play and churn out players for a set system.

At UTD we have no such thing and, imo, a mess of signings that didn't seem to compliment the team or style. RR struggling to get the players to adapt/take on his methods would suggest he has his work cut out.

However that said the plus point is at UTD he won't be having to sell good players year in year out and starting again. He will have time and opportunity to build a team for long term

 

[ti vu]

Both Klopp and Pep are still bringing youth into the first team right now. They don't have to be starters, especially when they're young, but they should be given a chance if there's a possibility they're good enough and ready.

Remember Pep having a small bench, trying to make a point?

The way Klopp gave youth chance at Liverpool is not anything ground breaking.

The point being, that Ajax fan is having a different view on brining youth. He wants to give every Ajax academy graduate a chance, and never sign an experienced squad player. You only need to look at Ajax average squad age under EtH to see that, that guy is talking about extreme. It's like complaining about Klopp having Milner, Ox, Origi, Shaquiri as squad option and not using Brewster, Hoever.

 

[NewGlory]

Can't argue with that.

Although... if you look at Matic cameo appearances, he still got a very good footballing brain. Couldn't we keep him as an impact sub ?

Yeah, he was a top player no doubt so you can still see quality but his legs are gone and he can't run anymore. I think there's an end to everything and if we are serious about rebuild, Matic is past his time even as a sub. It will only get worse with time. We do need to combine young players with experienced ones, just probably not Matic or Matta, a this point.

 

[Roane]

Yeah, he was a top player no doubt so you can still see quality but his legs are gone and he can't run anymore. I think there's an end to everything and if we are serious about rebuild, Matic is past his time even as a sub. It will only get worse with time. We do need to combine young players with experienced ones, just probably not Matic or Matta, a this point.

I think players like matic can be utilised in teams even when the legs aren't all there. Depends on how you set up to play.

I remember players from years gone by who were dynamic in midfield but as they aged they took on sweeper type roles and excelled.

 

[Greck]

Remember Pep having a small bench, trying to make a point?

The way Klopp gave youth chance at Liverpool is not anything ground breaking.

The point being, that Ajax fan is having a different view on brining youth. He wants to give every Ajax academy graduate a chance, and never sign an experienced squad player. You only need to look at Ajax average squad age under EtH to see that, that guy is talking about extreme. It's like complaining about Klopp having Milner, Ox, Origi, Shaquiri as squad option and not using Brewster, Hoever.

I'd honestly we didn't go back to the Jose days of downplaying the importance of youth. We don't have to pander to every flaw of our manager when they can just adapt and grow. ETH's career is young and there's room to grow. Youth enhances the fan experience and doesn't have to run exclusively against the goal to win. If a player that's worth it comes through then they have to feel there's a path to the first team. It's not the same as telling him to win the CL with 5 academy prospects.

 

[Roane]

I'd honestly we didn't go back to the Jose days of downplaying the importance of youth. We don't have to pander to every flaw of our manager when they can just adapt and grow. ETH's career is young and there's room to grow. Youth enhances the fan experience and doesn't have to run exclusively against the goal to win. If a player that's worth it comes through then they have to feel there's a path to the first team. It's not the same as telling him to win the CL with 5 academy prospects.

Playing youth, in cup comps etc, is easy when you are successful. Not so much if you aren't.

The dynamic of football has changed for us as a team. To compete at the top we may need to have a few years where we don't focus too much on youth, certainly not as first teamers.

With advent of 5 subs and the benches of teams like City even having a youngster on the subs bench as back up will be disappearing. At most he will be back up for the back up.

I'm not against youth and share your views. However I think it's a different reality at the moment and not getting better.

 

[The Boy]

ETH's career is young and there's room to grow.

Not so young, ETH is older than Pep and is 52, according to the Athletic he'll be the sixth oldest manager in the EPL if he replaces Ralph.

He's been coaching for 20 years and he's been a manager for 10 years with 2 of those at Bayern II. He is not a young new upcoming manager just starting his career like Nagelsmann was when he moved and still is he's almost 20 years older. In fact he's 2 years older than Poch. Though Poch has been managing longer, ETH was still Steve McClaren's assistant when Poch took over at Espanyol.

It doesn't mean he's the wrong choice or anything like that, but there's been a bit of a narrative around ETH, that he is a new young exciting coach who's at the right age and moment in his career to take on a big club.

 

[RkkMan]

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This aggregator left out a part of the article saying a couple of players may still be allowed to leave after signings are made anyway.
Regardless I call BS. On top of mentioning Chong as a potential free agent which is BS I refuse to believe Bailly, Axel, Martial and Matic(maybe Jones) specifically stick around once we've signed a CB, dealt with midfield and signed a ST.

 

[Gazautd18]

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[golden_blunder]

Christ. Here we go again fellas.

What's the point of Rangnick/Fletcher/Murtough again? We're going nowhere fast.

Cool your jets

 

[Suv666]

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Hope he demands the sale of Maguire and AWB

 

[golden_blunder]

The fans are not the ones I'm worried about.
Everyone, everyone here is not expecting overnight success.

The former ex players though ? 50/50.

And a portion of the fans believe every single thing they say or read on Twitter from some absolute nobody
They will be whining the first sign of a couple of defeats

 

[Infra-red]

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That's unlikely and counter to what reliable journalists have written on this topic. I expect he'll be focussed primarily on coaching the first team.

 

[Real Name]

I read a tweet which says its night outside at the moment.

Ffs whats the point of Fletcher!?

 

[Rolaholic]

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Good, that last part should be how it always is

 

[Suv666]

I read a tweet which says its night outside at the moment.

Ffs whats the point of Fletcher!?

I just peed blood
You've got to ask yourself where was Fletcher in all this

 

[Mickeza]

I’m very confused now. Doesn’t he need to be perfect to our club project? I thought the whole point is managers don’t have complete control, we have a clear identity and way of playing then hire managers and sign players to fit that identity which is continuous regardless of manager. The reason we’re in this mess is due to managers having too much control and thus a total supermarket sweep of talented players who don’t fit as a collective.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

I’m very confused now. Doesn’t he need to be perfect to our club project? I thought the whole point is managers don’t have complete control, we have a clear identity and way of playing then hire managers and sign players to fit that identity which is continuous regardless of manager. The reason we’re in this mess is due to managers having too much control and thus a total supermarket sweep of talented players who don’t fit as a collective.

Don't think Romano has good sources when it comes to us.

 

[Infra-red]

Don't think Romano has good sources when it comes to us.

Indeed. Romano isn't really a journalist. He's an aggregator.

He won't have any sources at the club, but those that do insist that the new manager will be expected to slot in to the existing football structure, rather than take over it. We have moved away from the traditional manager model.

 

[Remember the geese]

What Romano is saying is all very obvious. He is stating that ten Hag has asked to be involved when it comes to transfers, new contracts etc. This doesn't mean that he is demanding to be the sole authority when it comes to these matters. It isn't any different to what you would expect, nor is it any different to how a club with a modern structure operates.

 

[VP89]

That's unlikely and counter to what reliable journalists have written on this topic. I expect he'll be focussed primarily on coaching the first team.

No it isnt? Reliable journalists have said what Romano has said.

 

[gajender]

What Romano is saying is all very obvious. He is stating that ten Hag has asked to be involved when it comes to transfers, new contracts etc. This doesn't mean that he is demanding to be the sole authority when it comes to these matters. It isn't any different to what you would expect, nor is it any different to how a club with a modern structure operates.

What Romano is doing is chatting shit as usual pretending to be somewhat ITK when he has actually no Idea .

 

[gajender]

No it isnt? Reliable journalists have said what Romano has said.

Reliable Journalists have said one of the reasons Ten Hag was favoured is due to him being more compatible with the new structure .

 

[Infra-red]

No it isnt? Reliable journalists have said what Romano has said.

No, they have said that the new manager will be expected to slot in to, and work with, the existing structure, rather than taking over it. What Romano is describing is much more akin to the traditional manager structure that we previously operated with. It seems that the club have decisively moved away from this towards a director of football model. I think this is a welcome change.

 

[Infra-red]

Reliable Journalists have said one of the reasons Ten Hag was favoured is due to him being more compatible with the new structure .

Exactly right.

 

[VP89]

Reliable Journalists have said one of the reasons Ten Hag was favoured is due to him being more compatible with the new structure .

No, they have said that the new manager will be expected to slot in to, and work with, the existing structure, rather than taking over it. What Romano is describing is much more akin to the traditional manager structure that we previously operated with. It seems that the club have decisively moved away from this towards a director of football model. I think this is a welcome change.

No source to my knowledge has said that ETH is meant to focus solely on coaching and let the structure above him do their thing.

They've all said he wants to be involved in these decisions, and thats what Romano is saying. For example the below insinuates the same level of involvement.

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The bit about the structure I think was a tweet saying how Poch didnt like too many figures above him. That doesn't mean any prospective manager isn't heavily involved in the future planning of the squad. Its actually the opposite given everything we've heard about Ten Hags remit from Ducker, Dutch journalists, reliable DM journalists and Romano.

 

[Remember the geese]

What Romano is doing is chatting shit as usual pretending to be somewhat ITK when he has actually no Idea .

Most likely and I'm not defending Romano, but people are misinterpreting what the tweet actually says.

 

[FrankDrebin]

And a portion of the fans believe every single thing they say or read on Twitter from some absolute nobody
They will be whining the first sign of a couple of defeats

I tend to ignore Twitter but you're right.
I think fans on here will be abit more tolerant. Stop laughing.

 

[golden_blunder]

I tend to ignore Twitter but you're right.
I think fans on here will be abit more tolerant.

I’d like to say that I think you’re right but my head is telling me there will be some here who probably didn’t want him in the first place looking for any excuse to start negativity

 

[L1nk]

That's unlikely and counter to what reliable journalists have written on this topic. I expect he'll be focussed primarily on coaching the first team.

But given Uniteds track record its not unreasonable that he’s asked this

 

[Infra-red]

No source to my knowledge has said that ETH is meant to focus solely on coaching and let the structure above him do their thing.

They've all said he wants to be involved in these decisions, and thats what Romano is saying. For example the below insinuates the same level of involvement.

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The bit about the structure I think was a tweet saying how Poch didnt like too many figures above him. That doesn't mean any prospective manager isn't heavily involved in the future planning of the squad. Its actually the opposite given everything we've heard about Ten Hags remit from Ducker, Dutch journalists, reliable DM journalists and Romano.

Simon Stone at the BBC, who, unlike Romano, will have some contacts at the club, reported this week that one reason Ten Hag was eventually favoured over Pochettino, was because the club felt that he would be a better fit for the structure now in place at United, where Murtough is the football director, Fletcher is technical director and Rangnick is an advisor.

Pochettino was resistant to Spurs following a DOF model during his time at the club, and publicly made sarcastic comments about merely being the 'head coach'. He would likely have demanded more control over transfers and contracts than Ten Hag, which, Simon Stone has been told, is one of the reasons he has been passed over for the job.

 

[VP89]

Simon Stone at the BBC, who, unlike Romano, will have some contacts at the club, reported this week that one reason Ten Hag was eventually favoured over Pochettino, was because the club felt that he would be a better fit for the structure now in place at United, where Murtough is the football director, Fletcher is technical director and Rangnick is an advisor.

Pochettino was resistant to Spurs following a DOF model during his time at the club, and publicly made sarcastic comments about merely being the 'head coach'. He would likely have demanded more control over transfers and contracts than Ten Hag, which, Simon Stone has been told, is one of the reasons he has been passed over for the job.

You do know that doesn't mean ETH will not be involved in incomings outgoings and new contracts right? It just means ETH (rightly) wouldn't get sole remit over these decisions. He will have material input into the discussion, but it will need to be consistent with the consensus.

Romano isn't saying anything else to that, or to Ducker etc. So I'm really baffled why you think he won't get it? He wants to be totally involved in outgoings, incomings, new contracts. That is not a crazy or out of normal condition requirement for the new manager, and of course he will be.

 

[Laurencio]

It should be pretty obvious that Ten Hag will get to be involved in transfers. We specifically did not sign anyone or transfer anyone out of the club because we wanted to wait for the manager. If that wasn't so that the manager could be involved in recruitment (at least final say on approval) then I dunno why we did that.

 

[Chairman Steve]

Simon Stone at the BBC, who, unlike Romano, will have some contacts at the club, reported this week that one reason Ten Hag was eventually favoured over Pochettino, was because the club felt that he would be a better fit for the structure now in place at United, where Murtough is the football director, Fletcher is technical director and Rangnick is an advisor.

Pochettino was resistant to Spurs following a DOF model during his time at the club, and publicly made sarcastic comments about merely being the 'head coach'. He would likely have demanded more control over transfers and contracts than Ten Hag, which, Simon Stone has been told, is one of the reasons he has been passed over for the job.

It’d be very interesting if we hired Paul Mitchell for a role, because from what I’ve heard and read from differing sources (and may not be true or may be a half-truth) is that Pochettino got essentially promoted to ‘Manager’ from ‘First Team Head Coach’, and his ‘promotion’ essentially marginalised Paul Mitchell at Spurs as Head of Recruitment at that time, resulting in Mitchell making plans to leave but Pochettino wanted him to stay, so it was a bit of a case of Pochettino having his cake and then eating it.

So maybe Mitchell could swing a middle finger the way of Poch if Mitchell got a role here

 

[Leftback99]

Romano is the master of adding his own little spin on a story that can't be disputed either way. Of course he'll want some input on transfers etc.

 

[Cloud7]

It's incredible that people are finding ways to be negative about the most exciting move we have made in the post Sir Alex era. I've been over the moon since these stories started breaking