Guardiola v Klopp H2H

[JDoe]

He was a very good player but wasn't considered world-class, Deco for example who played the same position as well as him, was rated higher than him both by the coach as well as many football fans.

That’s true although he won the best player award in Euro 2008, just before Pep became his manager.

Xavi was voted 5th in the 2008 Ballon d'Or (as the highest ranked midfielder), wouldn't exactly say he was not considered world-class .

Naw it's been more to do with Pep getting tactically better against Klopp and has been doing a good job and shutting them down. Last 3 games before this City had less possession because Pep started giving more possession to Pool even the last game they had only 51%. They've attacked in 4-3-3 but defended in 4-4-2 making it harder to break them down plus no Highline to exploit.

I agree, Pep keeps his fullbacks quite defensive when facing Liverpool currently. He is much more conservative against Liverpool and that's worked out really well for them. Their midfield is a class above individually, and Liverpool is not a team that can park the bus as well as Chelsea or United IMO.

 

[footballistic orgasm]

Xavi was voted 5th in the 2008 Ballon d'Or (as the highest ranked midfielder), wouldn't exactly say he was not considered world-class .



I agree, Pep keeps his fullbacks quite defensive when facing Liverpool currently. He is much more conservative against Liverpool and that's worked out really well for them. Their midfield is a class above individually, and Liverpool is not a team that can park the bus as well as Chelsea or United IMO.

Do you consider Griezmann to be a world-class player? He was in the top 5 the year France won the worldcup too.
Jorginho will probably be in the top 5 this year too, do you consider him to be a world-class player?
Xavi had a great Euro tournament in 2008, which was why he was rightfully voted for, but there's no way you can say he was seen as one of the greatest players around before that 08/09 season.

 

[Pretzels81]

Considering that Xavi-Iniest-Busquets won everything back to back at international level and Pep has yet to win a European crown since then it's clear to see who was the bigger issue for SAF.

Not to mention that Busquets-Xavi-Iniesta won another club treble with another manager.

 

[footballistic orgasm]

Not to mention that Busquets-Xavi-Iniesta won another club treble with another manager.

That's re-writing history though. It was hugely MSN that led them to that treble and Xavi wasn't starting in that team. Iniesta was also very influencial, they played more of a transitional football.

 

[RooneyLegend]

Pep realised against Klopp if your fullbacks stay behind play and Pool can't just knock balls into the channel all day then half the job is done.

 

[JDoe]

Do you consider Griezmann to be a world-class player? He was in the top 5 the year France won the worldcup too.
Jorginho will probably be in the top 5 this year too, do you consider him to be a world-class player?
Xavi had a great Euro tournament in 2008, which was why he was rightfully voted for, but there's no way you can say he was seen as one of the greatest players around before that 08/09 season.

Eh, yes, of course I do. In 2018 and in the previous years, he was definitely amongst the world's best strikers. Just because he has been bad for Barcelona does not mean he wasn't a world-class player before then.

 

[footballistic orgasm]

Eh, yes, of course I do. In 2018 and in the previous years, he was definitely amongst the world's best strikers. Just because he has been bad for Barcelona does not mean he wasn't a world-class player before then.

You're one of the rare people i've seen say Griezmann is/was a world-class player, but you're offcourse entitled to your opinion. Even here in France, he's considered a very good or excellent player by most, but not world class.

 

[Skills]

You're one of the rare people i've seen say Griezmann is/was a world-class player, but you're offcourse entitled to your opinion. Even here in France, he's considered a very good or excellent player by most, but not world class.

Wild.

 

[kaiser1]

He was already world class at 28, I'd be shocked if you could have found anybody who would have disputed it. Midfielders generally peak about 27-30, Xavi did exactly that. I don't know why we're even having this debate if we both agree he was already a great player and Pep probably improved him.

Xavi at 28 was about to be shipped out by Barcelona after he was fingered as the cancer of the team, Too short, too lightweight not a Fellaini or Ballack imposing figure for midfield play

 

[TwoSheds]

Xavi at 28 was about to be shipped out by Barcelona after he was fingered as the cancer of the team, Too short, too lightweight not a Fellaini or Ballack imposing figure for midfield play

Firstly, I don't believe a word of that. But if it were true, well, Barcelona are a famously well run club eh?

 

[kaiser1]

Firstly, I don't believe a word of that. But if it were true, well, Barcelona are a famously well run club eh?

"Rijkaard did not believe in me. He wanted our game to be based on a superior physical level. He believed that it was the only way to be at the same level as the top clubs in Europe," Xavi told French newspaper L'Equipe.

"Four or five years ago, I was [deemed] terrible and useless. I was Barca's cancer! A player 1,70m tall was simply impossible.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/news/story/_/id/1051576/xavi:-frank-rijkaard-made-me-barca's-

 

[TwoSheds]

"Rijkaard did not believe in me. He wanted our game to be based on a superior physical level. He believed that it was the only way to be at the same level as the top clubs in Europe," Xavi told French newspaper L'Equipe.

"Four or five years ago, I was [deemed] terrible and useless. I was Barca's cancer! A player 1,70m tall was simply impossible.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/news/story/_/id/1051576/xavi:-frank-rijkaard-made-me-barca's-

Well, he still started Xavi in the Champions League. Iniesta too. He can't have thought they were all that shit.

 

[kaiser1]

Well, he still started Xavi in the Champions League. Iniesta too. He can't have thought they were all that shit.

They were going to sell him despite that

"After Euro 2008, I got the feeling that Barcelona were ready to sell me," the World Cup winner told Marca.
"Real Madrid were winning things and we weren't and I went to the national team knowing that the club would be open to selling me if a good offer came in.
"I spoke with my agent, Ivan Corretja, and he told me there was an offer from Bayern. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge wanted me.

"But then Pep Guardiola became the new coach at Barcelona and I played a great Euro 2008. Pep told me that I was not going anywhere and explained how he could not imagine a Barcelona without me. I was captivated by what he said."
https://www.goal.com/en-ng/news/409...vi-guardiola-stopped-me-joining-bayern-munich

 

[432JuanMata]

They were going to sell him despite that

"After Euro 2008, I got the feeling that Barcelona were ready to sell me," the World Cup winner told Marca.
"Real Madrid were winning things and we weren't and I went to the national team knowing that the club would be open to selling me if a good offer came in.
"I spoke with my agent, Ivan Corretja, and he told me there was an offer from Bayern. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge wanted me.

"But then Pep Guardiola became the new coach at Barcelona and I played a great Euro 2008. Pep told me that I was not going anywhere and explained how he could not imagine a Barcelona without me. I was captivated by what he said."
https://www.goal.com/en-ng/news/409...vi-guardiola-stopped-me-joining-bayern-munich

Xavi and Iniesta were obviously one of if not the best MF pair in modern history and while it made Pep job easier he also made them much better. The reason they were so good was a combo of both.

Anyway back to the thread topic Klopp has done well against Pep in his career. I would still take Pep here over Klopp as yes Klopp did it with less money which obviously looks better, we have spent 1 billion in last 6/7 years and if we are going to do that I would rather Pep. If we only had 400m in 6/7 seasons I’d take Klopp

 

[Bearded One]

Any way we want to spin this, if Rijkaard persisted as manager, there is no way Xavi and Iniesta was going to become the best midfield pairing in our generation. There’s no two ways about it.

 

[steve.crowford]

Funny thing is they actually will. Klopp has carried that club. The next manager won’t get the funds required, and unless he’s an elite manager like a Klopp, he definitely won’t ever reach the heights of Klopp.

 

[Skills]

Another 2 draws this season and they're still stuck on 9 wins a piece.

But I feel like City have had the best of them now - they should've won both games

 

[::sonny::]

The biggest rivalry in the history of premier league according to sky sport

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[GhastlyHun]

Another 2 draws this season and they're still stuck on 9 wins a piece.

But I feel like City have had the best of them now - they should've won both games

Certainly more of an actual great managerial duel than Pep vs Mou was.

 

[AshRK]

Certainly more of an actual great managerial duel than Pep vs Mou was.

Pep vs Mou was fun for non football stuff. Nothing will match that. Klopp-Pep is fun for football reasons and the game they put on.

 

[Red the Bear]

There has been 4 instances of goal line clearances for City right? O wonder how the record would be if they had gotten in.

 

[Moby]

What kind of an utter tosspot talks about themselves being in any kind of hall of fame.

 

[Irwin99]

They actually say it was the biggest rivalry on sky sports? I think Fergie vs Wenger was a lot more intense (also Keane vs Vieira, RVN incident etc.)

 

[Red the Bear]

Also their constant cock sucking and ass rimming is so cringe and nauseating, grow a pair and assault the assistant coach or insult the man's wife , be a true alpha male for crying out loud.
Jokes aside I think it's probably an attempt at passive aggressive mind games but it just comes of so hollow and tame . atleast with mou you get some interesting narratives and entertainment even if the football devolved to just parking the buss and going for the counter.

 

[The Corinthian]

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Oh feck off and grow a pair, you utter twat. (Not you sonny). The only hall of fame you’ll belong in is in the hall of fame of bald *****.

 

[Red the Bear]

They actually say it was the biggest rivalry on sky sports? I think Fergie vs Wenger was a lot more intense (also Keane vs Vieira, RVN incident etc.)

Maybe quality wise but that's very debatable as Fergie is the goat and wenger is very respectable in terms of achievements but I guess you could make a case of klopp having overtaken him in the rankings (even though he has only won one title to wenger's three).
We'll get a better sense of it with hindsight as one of them might fall of the way weiner did after 04.

 

[Moby]

Maybe quality wise but that's very debatable as Fergie is the goat and weiner is very respectable in terms of achievements but I guess you could make a case of klopp having overtaken him in the rankings (even though he has only won one title to wearer's three).
We'll get a better sense of it with hindsight as one of them might fall of the way weiner did after 04.

Disappointed for not getting a third spelling for Werner

 

[marktan]

The record is much more impressive for Klopp when you consider where that Liverpool team was vs where City was when Klopp took over. City have probably well outspent them in that time too.

 

[Red the Bear]

Disappointed for not getting a third spelling for Werner

Blame my auto correct shenanigans not the man himself

 

[Dancfc]

People said the same about Poch. But more money => more expensive transfers => more ego. Look at Keita and Thiago, expensive or big-name players but none of them performed for Klopp.

I think Thiago has been good for them but I agree with the overall point.

People never fail to fall into this trap, doing great on a smaller budget doesn't mean they'll naturally rule the world with a blank cheque.

 

[Remember the geese]

I wonder how this rivalry will be viewed when all is said and done. Pep the Fergie to Klopp's Wenger?

 

[Sunny Jim]

To think Klopp could have been our manager if it wasn’t for that fecking idiot

 

[Bearded One]

The record is much more impressive for Klopp when you consider where that Liverpool team was vs where City was when Klopp took over. City have probably well outspent them in that time too.

Ole has a better record head to head.

I do not read too much into these.

 

[DJ_21]

We need ten Hag to come in and break this rivalry up. Need more teams to be challenging… can’t just sit back each year and let city and Liverpool dominate England and possibly Europe.

 

[Klopper76]

Guardiola has figured Klopp out a bit. We haven’t beaten City in a competitive game since late 2019.

A lot of draws though.

 

[padr81]

What kind of an utter tosspot talks about themselves being in any kind of hall of fame.

Sky as usual took it up arseways, he said himself and Klopp already had dinner at the hall of fame. Likely the one this season or last. Neither were inducted.
"We are not friends, never have dinner together, well dinner together one day in the hall of fame."

 

[Moby]

Sky as usual took it up arseways, he said himself and Klopp already had dinner at the hall of fame. Likely the one this season or last. Neither were inducted.
"We are not friends, never have dinner together, well dinner together one day in the hall of fame."

fecking Sky.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Sky as usual took it up arseways, he said himself and Klopp already had dinner at the hall of fame. Likely the one this season or last. Neither were inducted.
"We are not friends, never have dinner together, well dinner together one day in the hall of fame."

Sky are fecking awful.

 

[Hammondo]

I do not understand why people are so mad.

 

[ekestubbe]

They actually say it was the biggest rivalry on sky sports? I think Fergie vs Wenger was a lot more intense (also Keane vs Vieira, RVN incident etc.)

Fergie vs. Wenger lasted for a longer time I guess and had some very memorable incidents on and off the pitch, but looking at the total amount of points Man City and Liverpool have reached the last 4-5 seasons one could argue that the quality of these two teams is higher. I don't recall Fergie or Wenger ever being even close to 100 points.