Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

[romufc]

I think however bad we have been under Ralf, its for the better. It has shown the club / fans that these players have a very weak mentality.

Most of these players think they are something special, Ralf has exposed them all.

How can you as a professional footballer lose 9-0 and 6-1 aggregate to the two biggest rivals? Forget tactics, as a football player, this is shameful.

In the last months, we have seen who has the mentality, only 2 names really jump out at me, Ronaldo and Sancho.

Ronaldo, we know has elite mentality but is at the end of the career but Sancho has been the only positive under Ralf.

This is good, ETH will have free reign.

 

[Josh 76]

Has an interim manager ever been sacked ?

 

[stefan92]

Has an interim manager ever been sacked ?

Don't know about the PL, but Schalke burnt through managers last season, in total there were five managers.

 

[ti vu]

Has an interim manager ever been sacked ?

Gary Neville is the most familiar and prominent example with his short stint at Valencia.

 

[sugar_kane]

Whatever positives can be said about Ralf, it's fair to criticise him for his basic inability to motivate a team of Manchester United players (even a cobbled together team with half of them probably leaving in a few months) to raise their game against their greatest rivals.

If anything I'd say that's by far his greatest weakness and why he was a shit choice of interim, his lack of charisma and motivational techniques.

We might have still been beaten 4-0 (maybe more) under dross like Dyche/Allardyce/take your pick but the players would have at least got themselves up for this one game.

It's also probably fair to say he's not shy of throwing the players under the bus to save his own blushes. He just does it in a more measured, calm and arguably polite manner that goes under the radar compared to the likes of Mourinho.

Don't get me wrong - I'm really happy he is involved in our club now, we need his expertise in rebuilding the club and someone to call the board out for how badly we've been running things - but he has been a fairly shit manager for us. Blaming it all on the players (who for the most part have been disgraceful) is only half the story.

The results have been fairly crap, the football poor, and yes he's dealing with a squad in disarray but to get basically no new manager bounce at all has been flatly embarrassing.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

If he achieves nothing more than being able to identify the bad characters in that dressing room, he'll have been worth it.

I think he's got them all sussed.

 

[led_scholes]

Whatever positives can be said about Ralf, it's fair to criticise him for his basic inability to motivate a team of Manchester United players (even a cobbled together team with half of them probably leaving in a few months) to raise their game against their greatest rivals.

If anything I'd say that's by far his greatest weakness and why he was a shit choice of interim, his lack of charisma and motivational techniques.

We might have still been beaten 4-0 (maybe more) under dross like Dyche/Allardyce/take your pick but the players would have at least got themselves up for this one game.

It's also probably fair to say he's not shy of throwing the players under the bus to save his own blushes. He just does it in a more measured, calm and arguably polite manner that goes under the radar compared to the likes of Mourinho.

Don't get me wrong - I'm really happy he is involved in our club now, we need his expertise in rebuilding the club and someone to call the board out for how badly we've been running things - but he has been a fairly shit manager for us. Blaming it all on the players (who for the most part have been disgraceful) is only half the story.

The results have been fairly crap, the football poor, and yes he's dealing with a squad in disarray but to get basically no new manager bounce at all has been flatly embarrassing.

But that was the point. The board decided to write off the season with only outgoings in January.

I m actually OK with it, instead of going for Conte, who I believe have gotten us top 4, but it would be another effort to paper the cracks. I think the only mistake the board has made is that they haven't clarified that Ralf is here to stay and will have a say on player coming and leaving. It was made obvious from day one that Ralf won't be the manager next year. So, the players are not bothering to impress a bit. Instead, they believe that Ralf would have no say, so they don't go to maximum effort. I think that's why Ralf likes Fred and Mctominay. They seem to try to apply what he is doing, even though they are not that good (especially Mctominay).

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

I don't really get this whole 'Rangnick has exposed the players' thing. Most people here on Redcafe thought many if not most of these players had weak mentality and were not good enough for Manchester United before this season. What great mystery did he uncover?

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

I don't really get this whole 'Rangnick has exposed the players' thing. Most people here on Redcafe thought many if not most of these players had weak mentality and were not good enough for Manchester United before this season. What great mystery did he uncover?

Opened the boards eyes.

 

[KwendaHuko]

Whatever positives can be said about Ralf, it's fair to criticise him for his basic inability to motivate a team of Manchester United players (even a cobbled together team with half of them probably leaving in a few months) to raise their game against their greatest rivals.

If anything I'd say that's by far his greatest weakness and why he was a shit choice of interim, his lack of charisma and motivational techniques.



It's also probably fair to say he's not shy of throwing the players under the bus to save his own blushes. He just does it in a more measured, calm and arguably polite manner that goes under the radar compared to the likes of Mourinho.

So Only Man United players, who by the way are the most paid in the league, need motivation to play against Liverpool and City.

They need motivation for not to concede 15 ( yes Fifteen) goals in one season against your bitter rivals.



And Yes he has thrown the players under the bus. Players have been served what they served Mourinho, Ole etc.

Ralf said it perfectly, You don't need any motivation or talks to stay or play for Manchester United.

Manchester United is the only team with Poor team spirit in the league, yet it's the top most expensive squad, with highest wage bills.

We need to accept what we are seeing. If Ten is left with this team without any new signings we will still finish 6th next season.

It's easy to see.

 

[Relevated]

I don't really get this whole 'Rangnick has exposed the players' thing. Most people here on Redcafe thought many if not most of these players had weak mentality and were not good enough for Manchester United before this season. What great mystery did he uncover?

This is absolutely not true at all. You're forgetting completely that the popular sentiment on here was that McKenna, Carrick, and Ole are holding back the squad. A squad that we thought were talented and worthy of winning the league.

Rangnick has come in and has exposed these players to the media, the fan base, the board and to themselves.

These are the same players who Ole used to say are good lads with a good attitude and always working hard in training.

 

[UncleBob]

But that was the point. The board decided to write off the season with only outgoings in January.

I m actually OK with it, instead of going for Conte, who I believe have gotten us top 4, but it would be another effort to paper the cracks. I think the only mistake the board has made is that they haven't clarified that Ralf is here to stay and will have a say on player coming and leaving. It was made obvious from day one that Ralf won't be the manager next year. So, the players are not bothering to impress a bit. Instead, they believe that Ralf would have no say, so they don't go to maximum effort. I think that's why Ralf likes Fred and Mctominay. They seem to try to apply what he is doing, even though they are not that good (especially Mctominay).

Which quality players were available in january?
We didn't write off the season, we got rid of players that weren't going to play.

It was also made obvious that Ralf would have a large advisory role, so his assessment is always going to play a part in deciding their futures, the notion that none of them are interested in making sure they get a good assessment is absurd. Not to mention there's a World Cup coming up and players need to perform to get into the NT squad.

Stop making things up

 

[Chairman Steve]

If we hire Paul Mitchell after the footage of him and Ralf at OT, as well as the recent culling of the head scouts (since Mitchell is a recruitment specialist), then I think you can correlate that with Ralf having a hand in that.

Ralf could very well just be a consultant, and Murtough, Mitchell et al would do the day to day stuff… especially if Murtough and Ralf are on the same page for a lot of things.

Ralf who is in his mid-60s can then chill out back in native Germany, go into Manchester once or twice a month and pick up the Austrian job on the side as has been reported.

 

[sugar_kane]

But that was the point. The board decided to write off the season with only outgoings in January.

I m actually OK with it, instead of going for Conte, who I believe have gotten us top 4, but it would be another effort to paper the cracks. I think the only mistake the board has made is that they haven't clarified that Ralf is here to stay and will have a say on player coming and leaving. It was made obvious from day one that Ralf won't be the manager next year. So, the players are not bothering to impress a bit. Instead, they believe that Ralf would have no say, so they don't go to maximum effort. I think that's why Ralf likes Fred and Mctominay. They seem to try to apply what he is doing, even though they are not that good (especially Mctominay).

I think you're giving the board a lot of credit there, if it was indeed their plan to write off the season just to reset the club and use the manager gig to get Rangnick on-board then fair enough. But that's a big assumption.

What doesn't make sense to me is why not just bring in Rangnick as consultant in the first place and instead allow Carrick to stay manager, or just get a competent interim - it would cost slightly more but it also would have given us a fighting chance of getting top 4, which would have been achievable with the squad we have. We didn't need to tie ourselves in to Conte for 3 years to achieve this.

I don't believe that Rangnick was so desperate to be our manager that he would only join us as a consultant if he was to get the manager job first. I also don't believe that the club would write off top 4 so easily when there's so much money at stake.

The simplest explanation is that Murtough/the club hierachy got over-excited by Rangnick who talks a great game and hired him as interim. I hope they haven't been mistakenly dazzled in a similar way by Ten Hag.

 

[clarkydaz]

I don't really get this whole 'Rangnick has exposed the players' thing. Most people here on Redcafe thought many if not most of these players had weak mentality and were not good enough for Manchester United before this season. What great mystery did he uncover?

The players were bigger than ole, he had no authority of over them and had life extremely comfortable with him

 

[led_scholes]

Which quality players were available in january?
We didn't write off the season, we got rid of players that weren't going to play.

It was also made obvious that Ralf would have a large advisory role, so his assessment is always going to play a part in deciding their futures, the notion that none of them are interested in making sure they get a good assessment is absurd. Not to mention there's a World Cup coming up and players need to perform to get into the NT squad.

Stop making things up

Which ones? Maguire and Pogba are starters anyway. Lingard is off the team anyway. Rashford has lost his place in England.
It may be obvious for you, but there were reports that players were baffled by his role etc.
Also, quality players are not most of the times available, even in summer. Thats why there are transfer fees.

 

[stevoc]

This is absolutely not true at all. You're forgetting completely that the popular sentiment on here was that McKenna, Carrick, and Ole are holding back the squad. A squad that we thought were talented and worthy of winning the league.

Rangnick has come in and has exposed these players to the media, the fan base, the board and to themselves.

These are the same players who Ole used to say are good lads with a good attitude and always working hard in training.

This narrative never really made sense to begin with as the squad was and still is key players short of being a title winning side. But if we humour the theory then surely if Solskjaer was holding the squad back because he's an average manager then what has been proven by hiring another average and/or past it manager who can't even get them finishing in the top 4? By that logic isn't Ralf also holding them back?

All this exposing people keep banging on about that Ralf is doing is going to look rather silly if ETH comes in and gets most of these same players playing well as a cohesive team next season

 

[stevoc]

Only criticism I have of Rangnick is he has been interim manager for long enough to have been able to impose some mark on the team. I think his interviews and public remarks on the state of the club are good and he will get to change this things as a consultant upstairs but part of his remit for now is to improve the fortunes of the first team and that hasn't happened. It has never felt like he was the manager of a team. It never felt like he is responsible for what is happening out on the pitch - good, bad and ugly. Instead it feels like a sunday league operation where the players and staff arrive to the stadium an hour before kick off and in that brief time a team is announced and whatever the gameplan is it is made up on the spot. The only real change he has made that was by design was Dalot replacing Wan-Bissaka in the pecking order.

And that's worked out great.

 

[Bepi]

He is a decent suit, clearly more of a thinker than a doer… his real contribution will start with executing on the notes he is been taking as an interim manager… provided that he stays (I would get rid, to be honest, Ten Hag does not need a supervisor imho).

 

[led_scholes]

I think you're giving the board a lot of credit there, if it was indeed their plan to write off the season just to reset the club and use the manager gig to get Rangnick on-board then fair enough. But that's a big assumption.

What doesn't make sense to me is why not just bring in Rangnick as consultant in the first place and instead allow Carrick to stay manager, or just get a competent interim - it would cost slightly more but it also would have given us a fighting chance of getting top 4, which would have been achievable with the squad we have. We didn't need to tie ourselves in to Conte for 3 years to achieve this.

I don't believe that Rangnick was so desperate to be our manager that he would only join us as a consultant if he was to get the manager job first. I also don't believe that the club would write off top 4 so easily when there's so much money at stake.

The simplest explanation is that Murtough/the club hierachy got over-excited by Rangnick who talks a great game and hired him as interim. I hope they haven't been mistakenly dazzled in a similar way by Ten Hag.

I agree that they were probably impressed, because he would have talked them about the whole structure and how it needs to change etc. On the bolded part, i think because they wanted a manager with a pressing style, so the transition to the next manager's style wont be that unfamilliar to the players. I think we can agree that this didnt go that well.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Ralf said it perfectly, You don't need any motivation or talks to stay or play for Manchester United.

The same Rangnick who said this?

Rangnick compared his role as a coach to a salesperson trying to convince a sceptical customer. “That’s what coaches are!” he laughed. “They have to give the players a reason to get up for training every morning, and to do that they tap into what drives them as individuals.”

He may be a tough taskmaster but has a genuine warmth. “Modern-day leadership is about being persuasive and creating a motivational basis so every day the players will want to come in and get better. This is about trust and empathy and human relationships.”

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

This is absolutely not true at all. You're forgetting completely that the popular sentiment on here was that McKenna, Carrick, and Ole are holding back the squad. A squad that we thought were talented and worthy of winning the league.

The popular sentiment here has not been particularly positive towards players like Fred, McTominay, Lingard, Martial, Dalot, Mata, Lindelof, or Bailly. It's not even that positive about Maguire or Pogba. Who are we talking about here specifically?

 

[UncleBob]

Which ones? Maguire and Pogba are starters anyway. Lingard is off the team anyway. Rashford has lost his place in England.
It may be obvious for you, but there were reports that players were baffled by his role etc.
Also, quality players are not most of the times available, even in summer. Thats why there are transfer fees.

So Lingard doesn't hold any hopes of getting his place back? Rashford doesn't want to get his place back? Sancho doesn't have any hopes? Telles doesn't want to perform? Shaw?

January transfer window is always more difficult than summer transfers, it had nothing to do with not sanctioning transfers.

Who gives a feck if anyone was baffled by his role or not, fact is that Ralf will have an impact on the future of several players, just because he's interim manager it doesn't mean that there's no risk of consequences.

 

[Bondi77]

Klopp and Tuchel hold him in high regard but what would they know about managing a football team

 

[L1nk]

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A new team, which is obvious. I love how he can't seem to help himself

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Klopp and Tuchel hold him in high regard but what would they know about managing a football team

Guardiola holds Juanma Lillo in very high regard, do you want him as the next United manager? I'd hope not.

 

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[stevoc]

So the latest articles doing the rounds state Ten Hag believes the squad he will inherit that has vastly underperformed this season (presumably due to lack of/poor coaching) and that he can improve most of the squad with his own coaching methods. He sees the squad as consisting of 4 groups.

Players in their prime- Fernandes, Varane etc.

Players entering their prime- Rashford, McTominay.

Young players on an upward trajectory like Sancho.

And Youngsters like Hannibal, Garner etc.

And he want's to get to the bottom of United's constant fitness issue, believing we've not been in ''Champions League shape'' for a while now.

 

[Giggsyking]

Lou Macari ripping the players into pieces now on MUTV.

 

[stevoc]

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A new team, which is obvious. I love how he can't seem to help himself

Pretty sure he means a new back room team.

 

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[Stobzilla]

Pretty sure he means a new back room team.

Nope, watched it live, he was definitely after the players with that one.

 

[Berbaclass]

I love his press conferences

Going to miss them.

 

[Jericho]

He inherited a shit show, I don't blame him at all. And he's a straight shooter, so I want him to continue in some form at the club.

 

[UncleBob]

Klopp and Tuchel hold him in high regard but what would they know about managing a football team

They can hold him in as high regard as they want, but there's a reason Ralf has barely worked as a manager

 

[Robindinho]

Lou Macari ripping the players into pieces now on MUTV.

He's bang on too. Was asked about the players coming back... "I don't care who's back, no one runs"

He won't be coming back on for a while

 

[Berbasbullet]

Wonder who he meant regarding loan? Maybe Henderson?

 

[JPRouve]

They can hold him in as high regard as they want, but there's a reason Ralf has barely worked as a manager

The reason is a burnout that he had at Schalke.

 

[Matt851]

I don't really get this whole 'Rangnick has exposed the players' thing. Most people here on Redcafe thought many if not most of these players had weak mentality and were not good enough for Manchester United before this season. What great mystery did he uncover?

Exactly, any manager could have done this but some would have done this while getting better results

A lot of people are trying to claim his remit was to identify the bad eggs in the squad rather than get results which is laughable

 

[L1nk]

They can hold him in as high regard as they want, but there's a reason Ralf has barely worked as a manager

He has CFS, meaning he cannot really sustain long periods as a manager because its such a stressful and intensive job, which is why if you look at his stints as manager they've never been that long. Not saying he's amazing of course, but it explains why he settled more into higher up roles earlier on