Solskjaer's legacy and his future

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Or we get a proper manager next season and most of the same players look good again and we finish 3rd. Can't even blame Maguire today.
They wont. DE Gea, AWB,Maguire,Shaw,Bruno,Sancho,Rashford etc are finished and have peaked. There is zero fight left in them. Good players dont perform like this for a whole season. Their peak was finishing top 4. They arent winners. Its a total rebuild. Not one current member of the squad will ever win a PL or CL as regular.
 

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You can judge until the next full-time manager comes in, Ten Hag next season, also Mourinho was 6th in his first season, United are 6th as well at the moment.
The squad LVG left won 2 trophies under Mourinho next season.

The squad Mourinho left gave Ole his permanent job in Ole's honeymoon which is actually the best period in Ole's reign.

The squad Ole's left won feck all and losing non stop left, right and center.

Next season what next season? The majority of this squad will be disassembled. Or are we going to give Ole the credit if Sancho or VDB perform well under Ten Hag when Ole was ruining their career on the bench?
 

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Because he is left with a bunch a feckwits that ole signed
Left with a lazy culture that ole created
Most of us thought they were good signings at the time. Even Guardiola wanted Maguire and was publicly annoyed we got him.

Wasting so much money on AWB was obviously a horrendous decision. But I blame our scouts more than anyone for that.

Not signing a proper midfielder was the biggest mistake during the last few years. It has cost us so many points.
 

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Ole unfortunately set us back 5 years
You don't know that until next season, it's a dead season. People drawing too much off a few games at the back end before a new era.

They wont. DE Gea, AWB,Maguire,Shaw,Bruno,Sancho,Rashford etc are finished and have peaked. There is zero fight left in them. Good players dont perform like this for a whole season. Their peak was finishing top 4. They arent winners. Its a total rebuild. Not one current member of the squad will ever win a PL or CL as regular.
I disagree. A proper midfielder and we will be 10 points better right away. 4-5 players can make an entire team. Liverpool were useless without Van Dijk last season, 30 points better off this season. It can be the difference of Trent and Robertson playing 10 yards further back and Trent getting slated for not being good enough defensively. Thiago being made a mockery of because he has to play defensive midfielder covering for Wijnaldum and Jones. A few players can elevate or bring down an entire team. Get in a few really good players and watch those other players look 10 times better.
 

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You can judge until the next full-time manager comes in, Ten Hag next season, also Mourinho was 6th in his first season, United are 6th as well at the moment.
No because a large part of his squad would have left next season. You can judge him on the squad he left Ragnick with.
 

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Ole unfortunately set us back 5 years
Lets call it an even 1500. Next season, Erik Ten Hag will be discovering how to strike rocks and make fire at Old Trafford, while Fernandes and McTominay dance around him in a pagan ritual and Ronald the Christian, will be mastering the art of making lures to capture foxes for breakfast.
 

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Then he hasn't done the most damage to the club in 40 years then, has he? Gave me a lot of the best moments watching United in the past 9-10 years.
If you can’t see the damage that Solskjaer has caused then there is no point in discussing this with you.
 

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No standards? What are you talking about? Reality is that we are not good enough and that we had couple of managers trying to fix that. It has not worked and now it is tenHag turn.
I am not that obsessed with Champions League like you seem. I rather win Premier League.
I want Manchester United to challenge for both the premier league and the champions league. So idiotic to say I am not obsessed with champions league and I would rather win the premier league. God sake. Fans like you annoy me.
 

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Even the supposedly key player he left us, Bruno Fernandes, has become a huge problem on its own.

Ole's legacy indeed.
 

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Most of us thought they were good signings at the time. Even Guardiola wanted Maguire and was publicly annoyed we got him.

Wasting so much money on AWB was obviously a horrendous decision. But I blame our scouts more than anyone for that.

Not signing a proper midfielder was the biggest mistake during the last few years. It has cost us so many points.
I never thought awb was good
Never thought 80 mil was good, don’t care if pep wanted him
or signing players that we already had cover for
So yer Ole set us back about 2/3 years, cheers
 

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Most of us thought they were good signings at the time. Even Guardiola wanted Maguire and was publicly annoyed we got him.

Wasting so much money on AWB was obviously a horrendous decision. But I blame our scouts more than anyone for that.

Not signing a proper midfielder was the biggest mistake during the last few years. It has cost us so many points.
Most of us? I personally thought James, Telles and Maguire were ridiculous signings tbh.
 

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The damage of finishing 2nd and 3rd in the league, truly sickening.
and then got us mid table where we still are struggling to get out. Never winning anything and saying trophies are only for egos. Yes truly sickening by a Manchester United manager. Without him we would not be in this mess. Woodward is to blame but he should have been what he is an interim manager and a proper manager should have been appointed after his interim period. Look at the dross he has left behind.
 

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Ole the manager is totally dead and forgotten in my memory. I don’t want to remember or even think about him for the rest of my life. Together with Ed Woodward and David Moyes he represent by far the clubs three biggest mistake ever.

Ole the player is probably one of the most loyal and likable squad player you ever going to find. He will always be remembered for his CL winning goal.
 

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Over £300m spent on a team that needs open heart surgery!

Best part of £70m on full-backs, leaving us with Telles, acknowledged as one of the worst FBs in the league and AWB being kept on the bench by another FB widely accepted as being fecking shit!

£120m spent on CBs, nothing else really needing to be said about that.

About £200m spent on attacking players:
Bruno played in to the ground
VDB on loan at Everton making no impact
Diallo on loan at Rangers making no impact
Pellestri on loan making no impact
Sancho starting to fit in better but nowhere near the impact from Dortmund
Ighalo for a £10m loan
Cavani who decides when he can be arsed to play

All whilst ignoring the need for a DM.

All whilst harping on about ‘the United way’ and all of his other bullshit.
 

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Honestly, my biggest problem with his time at the club was his decision to go with our suicidal 'no midfield' approach at the start of the season. He obviously wanted to make us a more expansive team, but in the process of doing that he ripped up his own (not amazing but functional) blueprint.

I do think the pre season played a part, with him maybe not having the time to fully get his ideas across, but it still feels like he pressed the self destruct button on his team at the start of the season and we've never quite recovered since.

Beyond that, I actually quite enjoyed his first two seasons overall :lol: Just wasn't able to take the stepup when he needed to.
 

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Over £300m spent on a team that needs open heart surgery!

Best part of £70m on full-backs, leaving us with Telles, acknowledged as one of the worst FBs in the league and AWB being kept on the bench by another FB widely accepted as being fecking shit!
Did you watch the game? Both of Arsenal's full backs are worse.

Bruno played in to the ground
But was a great signing that took us to another level when he arrived.

VDB on loan at Everton making no impact
Yeah that was a bad one.

Diallo on loan at Rangers making no impact
Pellestri on loan making no impact
Young, developing players. If they can't start here, loan is a good option.
Hopefully they'll develop and get more game time, but sure. Doesn't look great for them atm.

Ighalo for a £10m loan
Ole wanted a striker. Didn't get one.
Ighalo worked out as a decent option considering how late in the window the approach came.

All whilst ignoring the need for a DM.
Ole wanted to sign a DM. You'll find several articles about this from the summer window last year.



Yeah, Ole didn't turn out as we wanted it too, but y'all are blaming him for everything.
He's the only one to deliver top 3 positions in both his full seasons post-Fergie.

He was good at man management and lifted a poor dressing room, and got a tune out of it, but was terrible at coaching patterns of play.
Would never have worked out long-term, but beyond his poor approach to patterns of play being a factor in our current team, he's not at fault for where we are as a team atm.
 

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Even the supposedly key player he left us, Bruno Fernandes, has become a huge problem on its own.

Ole's legacy indeed.
So Bruno was the best player in the league for the first season and a half after Ole signed him, but now his current run of crap form is all on Ole too:houllier:
 

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So Bruno was the best player in the league for the first season and a half after Ole signed him, but now his current run of crap form is all on Ole too:houllier:
He set us back by atleast 200-250 years. Need to go back to the start of industrial revolution, and then rebuild the city of Manchester and then the club again
 

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So Bruno was the best player in the league for the first season and a half after Ole signed him, but now his current run of crap form is all on Ole too:houllier:
This should mean that any success EtH has will be because of Ole as well.
 

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He set us back by atleast 200-250 years. Need to go back to the start of industrial revolution, and then rebuild the city of Manchester and then the club again
The worst thing is that after negotiating the £80m fee for Maguire, Ole never made any investments into expanding Old Trafford or redeveloping Carrington and the shirt sponsorship deal he agreed with Teamviewer wasn't as big as Barcelona's.
 

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Ole’s record in his two full seasons is actually really good. We got 3rd and 2nd and got to a European final and several semi finals. His record is decent compared with most.

I don’t blame him for anything that’s happened since he left. It’s pretty pathetic and entirely futile to blame the guy who did pretty well with the same players that are doing shit now.
 

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Just imagine how much better it would be if he didnt make Maguire captain. Less memes, no bomb threats, more hope for Maguire to turn his current form around.
 

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Did you watch the game? Both of Arsenal's full backs are worse.
How many times were each of them left on their arse by Arsenal players? How many PL starting XIs would either get in to?


But was a great signing that took us to another level when he arrived.
OK, let’s just find a time machine to when he hadn’t been played in to the ground then! Ole’s refusal to ever rest or rotate him has damaged the club long-term, all for his short-term ‘success’.


Young, developing players. If they can't start here, loan is a good option.
Hopefully they'll develop and get more game time, but sure. Doesn't look great for them atm.
When the team is in the position it is, with a gaping hole in central midfield, that is NOT the time to buy two young, developing wingers - especially one who’s played less than 1 full game in Serie A for over £30m!!!


Ole wanted to sign a DM. You'll find several articles about this from the summer window last year.
See above, he knew he’d have limited funds for his THREE summer windows but ignored it for 3yrs, deciding young, developing wingers were a higher priority!


He was good at man management and lifted a poor dressing room, and got a tune out of it, but was terrible at coaching patterns of play.
He lied to Lingard about getting game time last summer, meaning he missed out on a transfer and we missed out on a transfer fee. He refused to rotate out of form players. He tried to be best friends with everyone whilst playing two of our best players at the time in to the ground.
 

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The worst thing is that after negotiating the £80m fee for Maguire, Ole never made any investments into expanding Old Trafford or redeveloping Carrington and the shirt sponsorship deal he agreed with Teamviewer wasn't as big as Barcelona's.
By scoring the winner in the Champions League in 1999, he helped begin United's very gradual turn towards overcommercialism, which eventually bled into football and leaves us as the celebrity, overpaid, overrated club we are today. While his constant injuries as a player and happiness to stay on the bench has inspired a culture, which Cavani follows today.
 

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Ole inners resorting to jokes to try and defend the attitude/disposition of the team he left behind, the £130 million defensive pairing, the captain, the lack of any fitness or tactical discipline in the squad.

He came second once because Klopp was having an off cycle. He lost so many important games to inferior teams. He achieved nothing.

Bleating on about his second place finish doesn’t defend or excuse the damage he has done. He has contributed massively to the club’s current situation and his appointment and lengthy reign wouldn’t have happened at any other big club.