So your argument of progress is a negligible difference in xG which is comparable to the dying days of Ole’s tenure? And that’s ignoring the actual results.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Personally despite his love of drama and creating negative press I would like the club to keep him around as an advisor.
The rebuild talk is overblown bringing in 10+ new players in one summer is unrealistic to say the least. We'll probably lose 10+ players but the squad has been bloated this season and could do with a lot of trimming. I reckon we'll only be signing 4-5 new players and promoting some youngsters next season. Ten Hag will hopefully succeed where Rangnick has failed in getting the squad morale and confidence back up and getting them playing as a team again.
Says the guy who just wants to point to a league table and conclude everything from the situation. This is how Ed Woodward likely made all of his shit decisions at the club, your understanding along with a couple others in the thread is so ridiculously limited you're better off taking a break from the sport until the new season.
What's that got to do with anything? I wasn't comparing their situations I was saying this interim has had almost as many games as a full time manager so it's not a small sample size
That’s a pre-season no?
Enjoy attending the trophy parade for improved xG, it's all people like you deserve
So let’s ignore all context then. Great stuff
This is daft. Ralf had 4 games against Norwich and Burnley, the two worst attacks who simply don't do goals. Those are 20 % of his games. Also will end up with 2 games against Brighton, the 3rd worst attack.
Not much of one.
I’m going to push back on this. If you know anything about statistics, yes, you need 30-50 data points before outliers don’t horribly skew the result.
However, he’s had 5 months and roughly 2500 minutes of on pitch football, along with training sessions, tactical prep, etc. If he had any positive impact, we would’ve begun to see the signs by now. Well, results-wise, he’s been awful and we are trending down.
It’s becoming quite evident within this thread, and in a wider sense there is a true split between those who value data, playing style and structure and those who just want to see “wins at any cost. Don’t care about style.”
It’s quite clear what side most modern clubs take.
It’s quite clear what side most modern clubs take.
Improvement is improvement. You claimed that we had got worse. I’ve shown you that this isn’t the case.
What context? You actually have no idea what you're trying to argue nowSo let’s ignore all context then. Great stuff
Playing style and structure? Have you watched a single game over the past two months?
Ralf knows how a proper football team runs and should run. Years of agendas, neglect, nepotism, malfeasance and greed have taken a tremendous toll. We need a sea change at our club if we expect to return to our winning ways. We need to start from some reference point and build up from there. Hope that Doc Ralf can identify and cut out the diseased parts. Selfish players, selfish ex-players, clueless "coaches", bankers using the team as an ATM, journos undermining the team to get a story, etc,..... Our beloved team has become the host to thousands of parasites who put their own interests before the betterment of the club. Unfortunately, that includes a lot of us fans. Let's hope at the very least, "consultant" Ralf is allowed to act as the triage physician this organization needs. We've had years of spin doctors covering up the symptoms. Let's hope we haven't lost the patient.
Such a whiner,, this Rangnick. He clearly has no interest in or empathy with the team and its players.To appoint him as coach was one of the gravest mistakes United board have committed.
I worry for Ten Hag. I hope he does not turn out to be all talk and no substance like this fraud.
I worry for Ten Hag. I hope he does not turn out to be all talk and no substance like this fraud.
I’m sorry but comparing 5 months to LVG/Mourinho/Ole who all got years and we’re allowed to spend hundreds of millions is not really a fair comparison.
The ironyWhat context? You actually have no idea what you're trying to argue now
Yep you've lost the plot, go away nowThe irony
Noted and I’ve replied to the second post with why it’s not a fair comparison.
I’ll gladly ignore you mate.
No one is actually saying we had a good season. It's just the thick posts insinuating the primary blame or a material blame of that form is on Rangnick that makes me chuckle. It's one of the most daft points of view I've seen in caf history, after Ole being endorsed by many posters here of course.
We have got worse, a 0.1 xG difference doesn’t change that
Do you understand this tweet? Serious question.
It proves you wrong for starters. Although that's not too difficult.We have got worse, a 0.1 xG difference doesn’t change that
You’re now arguing against fact. Good for you.We have got worse, a 0.1 xG difference doesn’t change that
and that's no one hear is taking you seriously because you literally bring Ole into it every single time
its absolutely perfectly ok to say Ole was shit and so is RR
Why is it a mistake?
This squad is toxic. It’s full to the brim with pampered egos who will never have the mentality nor technical ability to win the league and consistently compete for other trophies.
He’s the first one to publicly recognise this and he’s made it clear that it’s not good enough and needs to change. That means half of them are going to leave and he’s making sure that’s going to happen.
That’s literally the best possible thing that could happen this season. Getting in an interim manager who might have dragged this lot to Top 4, masked over the issues and set us on course for more mediocrity next season would have been a disaster.
That's not what people are saying though is it. People are saying the players are only this bad because Ralf is the worst manager we've ever had. Both are culpable but, for some users, the players are being allowed to get away with it, again.
I looked at the data in Understat. I get xG/90 of 1.56 for Ole and xG/90 of 1.63 for Rangnick. This is a difference of 0.07 xG/90, which is a similar amount as the difference you posted. This is not improvement. If you take xG literally, it means that under Rangnick the team is taking exactly one more crappy, low probability shot per match. To try to pass this off as improvement is simply not serious. The numbers are even worse if you look at NPxG/90. There, Ole's first 12 games came to 1.49; Rangnick comes to 1.55. That's a difference of 0.06 xG, basically nothing.
This lack of improvement in attacking performance, according to the xG model, matches quite well with what we see in reality: United are scoring less goals per game under Rangnick.
No one is saying that.
No, it isn't. Because Ole built this shit squad over 3 windows that had feck all training, overfed contracts, big egos and zero workrate.
Rangnick inherited the shitstorm of 10 players leaving the door and the others in cliques refusing to work off the ball.
Ole is brought into it because it's his feckup. Why is this so difficult for you to grasp. It's like if you burned down a house and then the police ask why you did it, with the response "hey why you looking at me, put out the fire".
My figures are from fbref so I’m not sure which are more accurate if I’m honest.
Quotes like this are all over this thread
I don’t need to prove he’s been a rubbish manager. It’s obvious to to everyone except a small contingent of obsessives in this thread.
He’s just a bit dense mate.
I rate Ralf higher as a club strategist than a club manager. This interim stint in my opinion is a necessary step if we want to go in the right direction. Ralf gets a ground level look of this squad, how they train, how they play etc. He can then take these issues to the hierarchy and say what’s wrong and what needs to be done.
So if you want to use zero nuance at all, it’ll be ‘Ralf’s a fraud. We should have kept Ole’ to a considerable amount of people because they just looked at the results and based it off that.
I‘ll judge Ralf on his consultancy tenure which is the real reason why he’s here. If at worst we look like title challengers again by the time he goes and the club philosophy has changed for the better, then Ralf will qualify as a success. People will point at the slog of his interim period but then say it lead to positive change so it was worth it in the end.
So if you want to use zero nuance at all, it’ll be ‘Ralf’s a fraud. We should have kept Ole’ to a considerable amount of people because they just looked at the results and based it off that.
I‘ll judge Ralf on his consultancy tenure which is the real reason why he’s here. If at worst we look like title challengers again by the time he goes and the club philosophy has changed for the better, then Ralf will qualify as a success. People will point at the slog of his interim period but then say it lead to positive change so it was worth it in the end.
You really do. A guy who has overperformed broadly at RB, Hoffenheim, Shalke with a very identifiable brand of football. Comes to United with 10+ players leaving in 6 months, no vested interest to get injured overworking, would rather collect a paycheck and a broken squad thanks to his predecessor, no transfers of his own to work with and no pre season.
But yeah sure, lets just take this 6 months and override all of his other managerial performances because you know, banter. Honestly how must your brain function, it's just beyond me at this stage.
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