Burnley sack Sean Dyche

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Except United is a profit making behemoth. Burnley could be well and truly fecked here. Next will be them selling off the stadium and renting it back. Nice bit of leveraging and asset striping.

It would be a great shame as Burnley is a small deprived post industrial town. I come from one myself that once had a Premier League team and the positive effect it has on the community is big.
The owners took them over last year apparently? Put the club in heavy debt to fund the take-over. Like our initial Glazer years they won't have funds to strengthen the squad.
 

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I wonder if they have a progressive candidate lined up to take over like Leeds did when they ousted Bielsa?

Something tells me we are looking at a daft Pardew or Allardyce style appointment.
 

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I guess it depends whether anybody else will do better. Do you really think a continental manager will come in with that squad, that budget and do better? not for me.
Nope, he's developed a style and mentality that suits the club and brought in players that have the attributes to do what he wants.

It's a bit like Stoke under Pulis, once he left they started to move away from what made them a solid PL team and tried to be more attacking with more flair players they lost the grit and determination that made them what they were.

The club obviously didn't think anyone could do better until now which is why they've waited so long.
 

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Sport teams are the only industry where the manager is the one who gets sacked.

If people fail to perform in any other industry, the worker gets sacked and the manager is mostly absolved of blame.

Clubs need to stop putting players on ridiculously long contracts and high salaries. It needs to be made compulsory that if players don't reach a certain milestone or meet a certain objective then they can be sacked without paying out the rest of the contract. Maybe the players will then actually perform better.
Revolutionary thinking. Wonder why everyone running these multimillion pound organisations haven't come to the same conclusion.

Have you ever considered switching from stacking shelves at Tesco for becoming a CEO somewhere?
 

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Thinking about it Carrick would probably be a decent shout for them if they want a more progressive style in long run.

Boggles the mind they actually sacked Dyche without having anyone actually lined up. You wonder what goes through the minds of football owners sometimes.
 

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Thinking about it Carrick would probably be a decent shout for them if they want a more progressive style in long run.

Boggles the mind they actually sacked Dyche without having anyone actually lined up. You wonder what goes through the minds of football owners sometimes.

Not sure I saw any evidence of a progressive style under Carrick on the games he managed for us.

Kieran McKenna is getting good reviews for the football Ipswich are producing under him. He might be a shout though I think he might be better off staying where he is
 

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Thinking about it Carrick would probably be a decent shout for them if they want a more progressive style in long run.

Boggles the mind they actually sacked Dyche without having anyone actually lined up. You wonder what goes through the minds of football owners sometimes.
Panic... in about a week he will realise that with the players they have the best shot they had of staying up was dyche... so they will end up getting in big Sam for the last few games.
 

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Anyone hearing the rumours about him and Duncan Ferguson?

Obviously most likely complete BS but it actually wouldn't shock me if it turned out true.
 

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Apparently he was on the piss with big Dunc and one of them chinned a bouncer. I say “one of them”, you can probably guess.
 

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Ran up a huge Premier Inn bill over a months long affair.

Or what 2 man mid said.

All allegedly, of course.

He's was having an affair with Duncan Ferguson?

To be honest I always suspected it
 

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Who knew, they seem to be doing better without him.

Maybe they'll overtake Everton after all.
Was going to say. 4 points out of 6.
And everybody is saying maybe their best performance this season.
 

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Another win. And out of the relegation zone for the first time.
7 out of 9 since Dyche went.

:nervous:
 

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Fair play. If they stay up, it was certainly the right decision
 

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Fair play. If they stay up, it was certainly the right decision
Never fails to amuse me when fans of big clubs get outraged and wish misery on lesser clubs for sacking underperforming managers.
 

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Never fails to amuse me when fans of big clubs get outraged and wish misery on lesser clubs for sacking underperforming managers.
Not really about underperforming. It's that smaller clubds should not dream for something more than drab/defensive minded managers whose only wish is to make life difficult for opponents.
 

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Not really about underperforming. It's that smaller clubds should not dream for something more than drab/defensive minded managers whose only wish is to make life difficult for opponents.
Yep. Even League one is now a progressive division with teams playing front foot football.
 

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Never fails to amuse me when fans of big clubs get outraged and wish misery on lesser clubs for sacking underperforming managers.
To be fair I don't think Dyche was underperforming even this season, as he'd done brilliantly to keep in the Premier League for so long (including 7th and 10th place finishes with more than 50 points) in the first place. It seemed inevitable that their lack of spending on transfer fees and more importantly wages for Premier League standards was always going to catch up with them eventually, and that's unlikely to improve under their current owners. It was also a fair assumption that if they were to get relegated, that he'd be the best man to get them promoted again given that he has already done that twice before, and in very impressive ways.

But I certainly wasn't expecting them to pick up 7 points in their next 3 games after sacking him. The players have clearly responded well to hearing a different voice, after being used the same regime for so long. If this change works and keeps them up, fair play to them, they'll have proved me wrong ! It's also reasonable for managers who play more 'cautious' brands of football to face more pressure when results are not good, as bad results plus negative football is never a good combination.

I completely agree that there is often this mentality that smaller clubs should 'stay in their lane' and know their place'. I also remember the outrage when Brighton sacked Hughton in 2019, when they had narrowly survived after ending the season in a disastrous run of form, while playing negative, cautious football in the process. Hughton had done an excellent job there but it was time for a change. They made the change after the end of the season though and they appointed his (highly rated) replacement pretty quickly.
 

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Never fails to amuse me when fans of big clubs get outraged and wish misery on lesser clubs for sacking underperforming managers.
Happened when Brighton fired Houghton, or when Watford fire their managers.

Goes along the same route of "spoilt fans, who do they think they are?, what do they want? I hope they go down"
 

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Think Dyche had just got set in his ways a little with regards team selection.

Jack Cork barely started a game all season. Nothing fancy about him but he can dig in and protect the back 4 reasonably well. Started all the games since Dyche went.

Dwight McNeill bench warming recently was also odd as even when he's not in form he's still someone who can get Burnley up the pitch quickly. Vydra also not started much so those are three players who've had a new lease of life since he went.

Have to say James Tarkowski been brilliant at the back, him and Pope gives them such a solid base to build on particularly at home.

Think two more wins will be enough for them so very nearly there if they win at Watford, fancy them to finish above Leeds with this momentum.
 

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To be fair I don't think Dyche was underperforming even this season, as he'd done brilliantly to keep in the Premier League for so long (including 7th and 10th place finishes with more than 50 points) in the first place. It seemed inevitable that their lack of spending on transfer fees and more importantly wages for Premier League standards was always going to catch up with them eventually, and that's unlikely to improve under their current owners. It was also a fair assumption that if they were to get relegated, that he'd be the best man to get them promoted again given that he has already done that twice before, and in very impressive ways.

But I certainly wasn't expecting them to pick up 7 points in their next 3 games after sacking him. The players have clearly responded well to hearing a different voice, after being used the same regime for so long. If this change works and keeps them up, fair play to them, they'll have proved me wrong ! It's also reasonable for managers who play more 'cautious' brands of football to face more pressure when results are not good, as bad results plus negative football is never a good combination.

I completely agree that there is often this mentality that smaller clubs should 'stay in their lane' and know their place'. I also remember the outrage when Brighton sacked Hughton in 2019, when they had narrowly survived after ending the season in a disastrous run of form, while playing negative, cautious football in the process. Hughton had done an excellent job there but it was time for a change. They made the change after the end of the season though and they appointed his (highly rated) replacement pretty quickly.
I disagree he wasn't underperforming this season. Maybe he reverted back to par a bit in recent weeks but 1 win in the first 21 is an absolutely horrendous return under any context.

I have a friend who supports Burnley and he was starting to turn earlier in the season, to summarise he said investment and better players came in and he was still not evolving and it was the same tactics and formation while relying on wonder goals. In a way it goes back to the point I have made a few times that good work on a shoestring doesn't nesseserily translate to being linear and the good work naturally continues when they get a bigger budget.

Hughton/Potter is definitely the go to example here, as when that happened I remember using the Adkins/Pochettino example to defend them. Both proven completely the right decisions not just because of the success of Potter and Poch but the fact the game has well and truly passed both Hughton and Adkins by and they're now struggling badly in the lower leagues.

It's fine to sack a previously succesful manager if they're not cutting it anymore, honestly don't get the extreme outrage everytime it happens.
 

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Unfortunately sacking Dyche might do them the world of good. Leeds have a horrendous run in whilst Everton are in horrible form.