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McTominay went straight from the U23's to first team. Fred from Ukrainian league to Manchester United first team.But that’s it, I rate Garner but people are asking him to go from Championship into a team that is aiming for top 4 minimum against some of the best teams in the world
Can you please specify that it’s fecking Fred who most of the time is absolute garbage. Someone might think you are talking about Gilberto SilvaItt really is an outrageous statement to say that a kid in the championship is better than a bloke that starts for fecking Brazil.
I rate Garner, but his nationality isn't why he's not starting a Copa final.
but would Garner get into City & Liverpool benches?Garner would not get into City’s starting XI; he would not get into Liverpool’s starting XI.
It doesn’t make any sense if we are not going to sign at least 2 midfielders for next season. If we have limited funds, it should all go to midfielders first.With us not having DM as it is and Matic and Pogba leaving I think Garner will be here to make up the numbers in the squad. We basically need 2 DMs.
I don't see us signing 2 midfielders.
His contract is 2024+1 I believe.
I meant those clubs’ full squads, so I’d say no, he’s not dislodging Fernandinho or Keita.but would Garner get into City & Liverpool benches?
City DM/CM Starters: KdB, Rodri & B. Silva (Bench: Gundogan, Fernandinho)
Liverpool DM/CM Starters: Fabinho, Thiago, Henderson(Keita, Milner, Jones, Ox-Chamberlain)
So, the question is, would Garner get ahead of Gundogan & Fernandinho, or ahead of Keita, Milner, C.Jones, and Chamberlain?
If a 21 yo Garner, at his current level, after 18/24 months in Championship League, is as good as those bench warmers, then I think he deserves a chance to compete for a starting spot with United, against McFred.
Most recent example is Mount, after his loan at Championship club Derby in 2018/2019, he played 37 PL games with Chelsea in 2019/2020, can Garner do the same?
I wouldn’t know, I haven’t follow any Chanpionship football. How are their performance compared?but would Garner get into City & Liverpool benches?
Most recent example is Mount, after his loan at Championship club Derby in 2018/2019, he played 37 PL games with Chelsea in 2019/2020, can Garner do the same?
Exactly, I said this in another thread, if we bring in 3 new midfielders, 2 CMs and 1 DM, and VdB goes, then that means maybe Garner stays with Forrest if they qualify for the PL, and McFred will be backup to the 3 new players.I meant those clubs’ full squads, so I’d say no, he’s not dislodging Fernandinho or Keita.
Pogba is leaving; Matic is leaving; Mata is taking a pension. VDB is a mystery; McTominay can run, win the ball and recycle it but isn’t a playmaker or really a defensive midfielder; Fred is the energizer bunny but has terrible passing and shooting. Garner gets in ahead of them in any side that wants to play the ETH way.
Agreed, and Garner is a CM, while Mount is an AM/LW/RW, so obviously G/A stats will favor Mount, but otherwise, very similar numbers, but to be fair I only watched 2 or 3 games for Garner this year, but I read some good reviews about him in here.I wouldn’t know, I haven’t follow any Chanpionship football. How are their performance compared?
Garner avg stats as CM in Championship:
- 4 goals 6 assist (10 g+a)
- 7.07 avg rating
- 1.9 key pass
- 34.5 pass/80.9% rate
- 1.8 tackle
- 1.5 interception
Mount avg stats as CM in chanpionship
- 9 goals 4 assist (13 g+a)
- 6.95 avg rating
- 1.9 key pass
- 37.5 pass/76.6 rate
- 1.4 tackle
- 0.5 interception
Seems very much comparable to me. With Garner better defensively, and Mount better in scoring goals. Their passing and performance level is similar.
All youngsters are unproven until they actually play. If ETH rates him, he'll use him.It doesn’t make any sense if we are not going to sign at least 2 midfielders for next season. If we have limited funds, it should all go to midfielders first.
- Garner is unproven at PL level
- Pogba and Matic is leaving in summer.
- McFred is not talented enough and can’t pass.
- ETH’s team play tiki taka possession football which requires good level of passing and movements in midfield. We don’t have any midfielders for that system
- Oh VDB can, but he isn’t really no.6 or 8 in Ajax? He can’t fill that role in PL anyway, more like ETH will use him as AM.
It is one thing doing it in the Championship and another thing playing for Man United who are still one of the top 6 teams in the PL.Currently Garner is a better player than anyone in our midfield. I've never been impressed with Fred, I don't care what he does for Brazil.
Until we give him a try we won't knowIt is one thing doing it in the Championship and another thing playing for Man United who are still one of the top 6 teams in the PL.
The Championship is a much lower level and it is easier to look good than it is in the PL. Your statement is ridiculous.
The CAF complains that we let players leave to join rivals, tear it up and then sign them back for millions.Until we give him a try we won't know
Until we give him a try we won't know
I do want him to be given a chance, he deserves it but people need to lower their expectations for a young player coming into the team from the Championship. He will only get better and better of course, but bigging him up to come into the team next season and make a huge impact is too much to expect of him.The CAF complains that we let players leave to join rivals, tear it up and then sign them back for millions.
But also don't want to give them a chance and pass it off as doing it well in Championship but can they do it in the Prem, clearly i.e. not good enough.
Before this game Fulham were 13 points clear of Forest and are about to win the league at a bit of a canter. They have had 72% possession as well. It is no surprise that he hasn't really seen much of the ball tbf.Barely saw the ball in the 1st half, made only 4 passes.
Agree with this. Like others have said, the dream scenario is for Forest to come up and for James to spend another year with them in the PL and see if he really can make the step up to the top level. If he stays with us it will be 5 or 10 minutes every 3 games or so and the odd cup game which won't really be enough.Garner better than Fred, is like saying Wellbeck is better than RvP. Where do you start debunking such nonsense?
I like Garner, he's talented and he could develop into that. Right now it's just wishful thinking based on highlight reels.
Fred is the Chamakh compared to Garner being the Welbeck actually.That Zinckernagel fella looks like a baller.
Garner better than Fred, is like saying Wellbeck is better than RvP. Where do you start debunking such nonsense?
I like Garner, he's talented and he could develop into that. Right now it's just wishful thinking based on highlight reels.
His set-pieces are unreal. He should model himself on James Ward-Prowse. If he can track his man and maintain his standard in delivery, he’s a huge upgrade on McTominay.His stats today are hilarious so far.
13 passes / 7 key passes / 2 assists.
Huge game on Tuesday for them. Away at Bournemouth and they are level on goal difference 3 points behind. If they come up then he should go out on loan again. Unless we completely fail in our recruitment this summer.With how few midfielders we will have in the squad by default next season I think he’ll probably be in the first time squad. It would be pretty nice if Forest come up and we can loan him there again for another season, though.
Probably a good idea, but we could also find out whether he can step up in the Prem in our own team which has no midfield.Unless he's going to be a regular starter or off the bench next season, regularly clocking up 15/20 minutes as a sub I'd be inclined to send him back out on loan. Ideally, Forest get promoted and he goes back ther.
Also 4 tackles - most on the pitch.His stats today are hilarious so far.
13 passes / 7 key passes / 2 assists.
Or if we’re in the Europa league hopefully it gives Ten Hag a lot of space to play more of the squad.If it's a rebuild season and we don't qualify for Europe (likely) might as well utilize him in the first team.
Wolves are doing their best to put us into some sort of European competition.Or if we’re in the Europa league hopefully it gives Ten Hag a lot of space to play more of the squad.
Yeah pretty much, though if they qualify for the prem they might wanna try to keep him.Wolves are doing their best to put us into some sort of European competition.
