Mino Raiola has died

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He wasn't good at his job, unless you think his job was solely to make a fat wedge for himself.

He's always in his players' ear to convince them to move, purely for his own wallet. Has Pogba's career been helped in the last 6 years by Mino spouting crap about the club and publicly angling for a move away? No, Pogba has wasted the prime years of his career being disinterested and distracted. In 10, 20 years time will players think, I'm glad I have 5% more money in the bank, or will they think, I regret not achieving more as a player? If you think it's the former you're deluded.

I even think the notion that agents help get a better financial deal for their clients is at best overexaggerated, and at worst possibly a complete falsehood. Mino and his ilk were taking millions or even 10s of millions for themselves for a transfer or contract renewal.

Agents, especially the mega agents, don't help facilitate deals, they hinder deals, for their own purposes. They don't care about the players interests, they just care that players think they care about their interests. It's a leach industry. They exploit wealthy young men who generally haven't had as much academic qualification or life experience.

His ability and influence was overrated on here, because Pogba was our highest status player upon arriving and for the first few seasons, and it was a deal Mino had milked a ton from. Other than Haaland, he doesn't have (m)any top bracket players now. What City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Barca, Madrid, Bayern players are on his books? Surely a top agent would get his players to those teams and regularly be doing business with the biggest ? No, he has a few top players wasting their careers at PSG though. I'm sure he convinced them it was the best move for their careers. Could he help a young player get a good first move or first big move, and make a big amount? Probably. Was that move necessarily best for the player? Not necessarily.

Anyway, whatever. Bye Mino.
Bahahahaha.

I see Mino got a prime plot in your amygdala to be laid to rest by the looks of it.

How tragic a life do you have to lead to come on a forum and post something like this about somebody that's just died. :lol:
 

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That is one of the most overused phrases online these days. What does it even mean in this context?

Clubs probably hated dealing with him but his clients seemed to love him. RIP.
A man has died & people still can’t get over him saying things they didn’t like about their club although had he still been alive & working on a Haaland transfer to United there’d be crickets. Multiple posters have said nothing but negativity about him yet will rock up in one of his agents threads.

‘Clubs probably hate’ dealing with most agents so not sure where that sits here. Living rent free.

Solid WUM attempt
Have always been consistent on him.
 

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I understand this is meant to be rhetorical but in no world should someone receive 20 million for effectively acting as a middle man. There’s has to be little skill to this job if Wanda Icardi is able to do it. What he created was a monopoly that forced negotiations by virtue of acquiring the worlds best players
Given how easy it seemingly is it’s odd that you have not simply done the same yourself, for an easy £20 million.
I’d imagine it is the moral and ethical side of things that’s been holding you back.
 

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I understand this is meant to be rhetorical but in no world should someone receive 20 million for effectively acting as a middle man. There’s has to be little skill to this job if Wanda Icardi is able to do it. What he created was a monopoly that forced negotiations by virtue of acquiring the worlds best players
The primary “skill” is in acquiring the world’s best players, I suppose (others would do it if they could).
 

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So Tancredi was right, just a bit early? Is he gutted not to get the exclusive this time?
 

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Rip. The best at what he did. People take it personally because him being the best and better than those representing us meant we often lost against him. Instead of hating him, I think people should actually learn from him. As no doubt there are elements of his style of negotiations, not being intimidated by big organisations, believing in yourself and what/who you represent etc, that many could implement in certain aspects of their own lives (maybe a bit toned down)
 

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the man was a leech he brought nothing to this game except greed, and he showed it vulgarly, he was one of many wrong symptoms of modern football. supporters faking saddness for his passing baffling me, unless you are dreaming of becoming like him one day.

He doesn't need to have done anything for me, in order for me to offer condolences. What a weird requirement that is.

There's a difference between "being truly devastated" and offering sincere condolences. Raiola hasn't damaged this club in the way the Glazers have. He was just the recipient of millions the glazers and their minions decided to voluntarily throw at him.

In what world should Raiola have received 20 million for brokering a deal? In a world where both parties agree to it? It's not like he was forcing anybody to do business with him. His clients seemed to love it and were free to dump him at any time.

Raiola ran a good legitimate hustle. Respect.
yeah i doubt SAF or the club were happy when he persuaded Pogba to leave this club. It's clear that you basically find nothing amicable about this person except the fact that he was good leeching money off football clubs and the bold part dear me, if you're sad about the passing of someone who constantly embarrasing your club in the public be my guess.
 

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Make no mistake he helped ruin football. God willing the mega agent would die with him.
 

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the man was a leech he brought nothing to this game except greed, and he showed it vulgarly, he was one of many wrong symptoms of modern football. supporters faking saddness for his passing baffling me, unless you are dreaming of becoming like him one day.



yeah i doubt SAF or the club were happy when he persuaded Pogba to leave this club. It's clear that you basically find nothing amicable about this person except the fact that he was good leeching money off football clubs and the bold part dear me, if you're sad about the passing of someone who constantly embarrasing your club in the public be my guess.
offering condolences = faking sadness or feeling sad. How old are you and are you somewhere on the spectrum?
 

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He always looked grossly overweight in the pictures I saw of him. It's baffling to me why someone with his wealth didn't hire a personal trainer/nutritionist and get in shape. RIP and condolences to the family.
 

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The man was a jerk and disrespected many people in the game. Yet you get the sense that he was loved by the players he represented. All that said, he has passed and all beefs with him should just be water under the bridge.
 

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the man was a leech he brought nothing to this game except greed, and he showed it vulgarly, he was one of many wrong symptoms of modern football. supporters faking saddness for his passing baffling me, unless you are dreaming of becoming like him one day.



yeah i doubt SAF or the club were happy when he persuaded Pogba to leave this club. It's clear that you basically find nothing amicable about this person except the fact that he was good leeching money off football clubs and the bold part dear me, if you're sad about the passing of someone who constantly embarrasing your club in the public be my guess.
What's wrong with you. The guy has passed. Some things are far bigger than football. Like actual life. Whatever he did in the game is irrelevant. If you can't wish him rip then you are far worse human being than he was.
 

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He always looked grossly overweight in the pictures I saw of him. It's baffling to me why someone with his wealth didn't hire a personal trainer/nutritionist and get in shape. RIP and condolences to the family.
He was living it up. Some get away with it and some do not. He falls into the latter category.
 

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I don't really consider the vitriol towards Raiola to be particularly merited. Most of his clients seemed to hold him in extremely high regard, and ultimately that's all that should matter.

Sure, he didn't do all of his agency work out of the kindness of his heart; the man made an absolute killing throughout his career and it's pretty damn obvious that money was at least one of his biggest motivators. At the end of the day, though, he made a lot of that money by essentially taking it from extremely wealthy owners of football clubs in exchange for securing the services of his interested clients. Of all the ways you can make a lot of money, I wouldn't say his was one of the most unethical ones.

I'm sure he was a complete shit to negotiate with, but why should he care for United or any club for that matter? He's not there to make a deal that's in the interest of the clubs, he's there to secure the best deal possible for his client and take as much commission for that as possible.

At the end of the day, most clubs view their players as assets. If they can get the player to accept a contract that's less than their true worth, you'd better fecking bet that they'd do it. Accordingly, I don't see it as being unfair that men like Raiola have their finger on the other end of the scale, trying to add as many dollars as possible on to their clients' contracts. I've no doubt he was probably a bit of a bastard; anyone as successful as he is in the agency business has to be. But for me, he was ultimately an extremely intelligent man who got extremely rich people to take money out of their pockets in order to make other extremely rich people richer, whilst also making himself extremely rich.
 

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Make no mistake he helped ruin football. God willing the mega agent would die with him.
Unless he has a protege or his company has some up and comers, all the talent he'd normally sweep up will be going with the likes of Mendes and others who will sweep up. When a powerful <anything> dies, there's a scramble for the pie they've left behind, and without their respect/fear/control, things can actually descend into chaos, so the agent market could become very intriguing now. If you're into that sort of thing.
 

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Did his clients pay him or was it the clubs? I think the issue that most have is that he took way more money out of the game then should be possible and had a loud mouth. A very good agent for players and not so for clubs.

Different discussion but there should be some kind of limit on agent fees and I’m surprised the bug clubs have not helped to get this implemented.
This just means he was a very good agent. His role isn't to give a shit about clubs and their interests, his role is to get his clients the best deal possible.
 

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I understand this is meant to be rhetorical but in no world should someone receive 20 million for effectively acting as a middle man. There’s has to be little skill to this job if Wanda Icardi is able to do it. What he created was a monopoly that forced negotiations by virtue of acquiring the worlds best players
Not everyone can get the worlds best players to sign with them, he could. So he gets to gain from being able to achieve this and negotiate on their behalf. Skill is really irrelevant. If the parties agree to pay that fee, so be it.
 

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He wasn't good at his job, unless you think his job was solely to make a fat wedge for himself.

He's always in his players' ear to convince them to move, purely for his own wallet. Has Pogba's career been helped in the last 6 years by Mino spouting crap about the club and publicly angling for a move away? No, Pogba has wasted the prime years of his career being disinterested and distracted. In 10, 20 years time will players think, I'm glad I have 5% more money in the bank, or will they think, I regret not achieving more as a player? If you think it's the former you're deluded.
In terms of developing his clients careers I wouldn't call a success what has been going on with Pogba but he's not the sole responsible for that, maybe it's their clients who are more interested in going where they get paid more. Lastly it's also something that has been facilitated by Manchester United so like I said you can't only blame the agents for what has been going with football in general and the insane contracts.
 

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Sad he died but my overwhelming emotion is bemusement. Not only a multi page thread dedicated to an agent. This same agent seems to have actual fans. What the feck has happened to football?
I know this may not have been directed at me but I have made a somewhat positive post about Raiola so I think it's worth mentioning that I do not consider myself a "fan" of his. I just also didn't really dislike the guy. I just saw him as a guy who was good at what he did, basically.
 

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I know this may not have been directed at me but I have made a somewhat positive post about Raiola so I think it's worth mentioning that I do not consider myself a "fan" of his. I just also didn't really dislike the guy. I just saw him as a guy who was good at what he did, basically.
Hadn’t actually read any of your posts before I wrote that.
 

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Sad he died but my overwhelming emotion is bemusement. Not only a multi page thread dedicated to an agent. This same agent seems to have actual fans. What the feck has happened to football?
The internet happened. In this information age it's hardly surprising the most infamous agent in the world gets a thread upon his passing.
 

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The ethics of the amount of money he took out was nonne of his business. That should have been up to the authorities to regulate.
Having a loud mouth was part of why he was very good. As an agent, you can only judge him from the pov of his clients. He was paid a lot of money to get shit done for his clients and he was undoubtedly very good at it. The way he did it was none of their concern.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't like the man and wanted us to have nothing with him but as a professional, you can only say yeah, he was good at his job.
i don’t really disagree with anything that you said…. The amount he took out of deals or demanded (if rumours are to be believed was extortionate ) was entirely his business to line his own pockets…. However the clubs are totally to blame for given in to his commands.

And yes he was very good at his job.
 

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Sad he died but my overwhelming emotion is bemusement. Not only a multi page thread dedicated to an agent. This same agent seems to have actual fans. What the feck has happened to football?
He was a mega agent. The center of transfer rumors for the past half a decade. He would decide futures of key players. He was an agent GOAT and it's admirable how far up the ladder he climbed.

You have to appreciate an artist
 

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Can you imagine how much 'tapping up' of his clients will be going on?

There must be contingencies in place in the event of his death, but are they watertight and legal, or reliant on these players remaining loyal?
 

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Sad he died but my overwhelming emotion is bemusement. Not only a multi page thread dedicated to an agent. This same agent seems to have actual fans. What the feck has happened to football?
I'm more bemused by those who don't show a very low level of human decency. They talk about him as if he wronged them on a personal level
 

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Sad he died but my overwhelming emotion is bemusement. Not only a multi page thread dedicated to an agent. This same agent seems to have actual fans. What the feck has happened to football?
Spot on. What's next- gun salutes and black arm bands?
 

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When people put 'RIP, condolences to the family'....who exactly are they talking to?

Honestly don't get it