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He's a very good finisher from what's been observed. There seems to be a lack of players with killer instinct in front of goal compared to previous eras.

The likes of Jermaine Defoe for example who was neither considered a world class player in his time but proficient in front of goal how much would he have gone for in the market nowadays. Nunez is also physically imposing I think it's a good move from the club if the interest is genuine.
 

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He doesn't struggle technically though. What part of his technique is poor?

He's 22 years old. Strikers rarely score 20 goals between 18-22 unless world class.
I disagree here. Nunez is technically similar to Lukaku.

From the video of the Liverpool game away you posted:
0:26 shows that he has no closed control to dribble the ball in tight spot.
01:28 shows poor ability to control the ball
01:33 shows has no closed control to dribble the ball, he needs big space to dribble and that was against Salah (non defender)
Majority clips on the video doesn't show what he can do in tight spot, which makes sense since I'm assuming based on that video Benfica relies a lot on counter attack.

Although I disagree with the comparison to Lukaku since Lukaku is more a powerhouse striker that only relied on his strength, power, and speed but has shit movement, while Nunez is more a poacher with world class movement like Filippo Inzaghi type of striker. But the only point I agree with the other posters is none of these players are good technically to hold the ball in tight spot. It was reflected by Nunez's poor stat for being one of the worst striker in passing and touch, which already posted in here few pages ago.

If Filippo Inzaghi type of striker is what ETH wants then I'm all for it while I have no problem us signing Inzaghi for £60m- £65m, I do miss watching that type of striker. Although, I could understand if some posters don't rate Inzaghi highly for modern type of striker.
 

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I disagree here. Nunez is technically similar to Lukaku.

From the video of the Liverpool game away you posted:
0:26 shows that he has no closed control to dribble the ball in tight spot.
01:28 shows poor ability to control the ball
01:33 shows has no closed control to dribble the ball, he needs big space to dribble and that was against Salah (non defender)
Majority clips on the video doesn't show what he can do in tight spot, which makes sense since I'm assuming based on that video Benfica relies a lot on counter attack.

Although I disagree with the comparison to Lukaku since Lukaku is more a powerhouse striker that only relied on his strength, power, and speed but has shit movement, while Nunez is more a poacher with world class movement like Filippo Inzaghi type of striker. But the only point I agree with the other posters is none of these players are good technically to hold the ball in tight spot. It was reflected by Nunez's poor stat for being one of the worst striker in passing and touch, which already posted in here few pages ago.

If Filippo Inzaghi type of striker is what ETH wants then I'm all for it while I have no problem us signing Inzaghi for £60m- £65m, I do miss watching that type of striker. Although, I could understand if some posters don't rate Inzaghi highly for modern type of striker.
Agree to disagree. You're cherry picking, literally every player in the world will have something that's not perfect in every performance.

The way people talk about him on here is like he has no first touch and it's bouncing around all over the place. It's just not true at all.

1.28 he's attempting a first time cross and gets it wrong.

1.33 he's taking salah down the line and puts in a cross. He outpaces Salah which is hardly an easy thing to do.

Not many 'poaching' strikers are comfortable at dribbling at high speed.
 

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Agree to disagree. You're cherry picking, literally every player in the world will have something that's not perfect in every performance.

The way people talk about him on here is like he has no first touch and it's bouncing around all over the place. It's just not true at all.

1.28 he's attempting a first time cross and gets it wrong.

1.33 he's taking salah down the line and puts in a cross. He outpaces Salah which is hardly an easy thing to do.

Not many 'poaching' strikers are comfortable at dribbling at high speed.
His first touch is Lukaku esq to be honest with you. But he’s a work horse and could contribute to a very well pressing team.

Ideally wouldn’t want him and Bruno together though.
 

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We for sure need a young striker and he seems a good idea but the prices touted are crazy.

Him and Diaz are from the same league and where both considered one of the best players.

Surely the price should be similar.
 

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Agree to disagree. You're cherry picking, literally every player in the world will have something that's not perfect in every performance.

The way people talk about him on here is like he has no first touch and it's bouncing around all over the place. It's just not true at all.

1.28 he's attempting a first time cross and gets it wrong.

1.33 he's taking salah down the line and puts in a cross. He outpaces Salah which is hardly an easy thing to do.

Not many 'poaching' strikers are comfortable at dribbling at high speed.
I wasn't cherrypicking since I also talked about the whole video by mentioning in my post that majority clips on the video doesn't show what he can do in tight spot, which makes sense since I'm assuming based on that video Benfica relies a lot on counter attack. Basically, you are trying to prove nothing by showing that video. The point that other posters made is Nunez is not technical gifted like Lukaku and also like Inzaghi. In additional, I also mentioned that on stats that posted in the video by another poster, it shows Nunez is one of the worst striker in his passing and touch which was posted in previous pages.
 

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His first touch is Lukaku esq to be honest with you. But he’s a work horse and could contribute to a very well pressing team.

Ideally wouldn’t want him and Bruno together though.
I disagree with this. There are lot of ways how to play football. Bruno could become like Ziyech which a wide playmaker in ETH system while Nunez can become like Haller who also not technically gifted. If ETH didn't mind fit in Haller to his team and became 2nd most scoring team in UCL up to round 16 with striker like Haller then no such a thing called not ideal if the manager can coach and likes the player. If ETH wants Nunez after playing against him in 2 legs and watched his lack technical ability and poor first touch then he believes he can fit in Nunez to the team just like how he fits in Haller. If there is aspects that the manager likes then with coaching, you can maximise the strength and minimise the weakness.
 

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Enough to know his technique is not poor where it matters.

No idea why some have decided being a playmaker as a striker is more important than banging in goals.
Doesn't sound you watch him enough to be honest.
 

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Doesn't sound you watch him enough to be honest.
I've watched him plenty, it's up to you to prove me wrong. You really aren't doing anything to change my opinion here.

From the matches I've seen and the highlights I've watched he looks perfectly acceptable.

Now your turn to show me where his technique is poor or you don't think he is good enough?


His first touch is Lukaku esq to be honest with you.
I've not seen that at all. He sometimes makes sloppy passes or puts the wrong weight on a pass, but not from poor control IMO.
 

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I disagree with this. There are lot of ways how to play football. Bruno could become like Ziyech which a wide playmaker in ETH system while Nunez can become like Haller who also not technically gifted. If ETH didn't mind fit in Haller to his team and became 2nd most scoring team in UCL up to round 16 with striker like Haller then no such a thing called not ideal if the manager can coach and likes the player. If ETH wants Nunez after playing against him in 2 legs and watched his lack technical ability and poor first touch then he believes he can fit in Nunez to the team just like how he fits in Haller. If there is aspects that the manager likes then with coaching, you can maximise the strength and minimise the weakness.
His poor first touch is still a poor first touch no? Haller actually has good fundamentals like a very good touch. So the comparison is slightly off. Also on Bruno yes I think he’ll be better out wide But he’s not really a playmaker to say Eriksen would be playing out wide for us. Bruno is a striker (Rangnick terms) which is why I said it wouldn’t work.
 

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I've watched him plenty, it's up to you to prove me wrong. You really aren't doing anything to change my opinion here.

From the matches I've seen and the highlights I've watched he looks perfectly acceptable.

Now your turn to show me where his technique is poor or you don't think he is good enough?
You haven't proven anything. You just think timestamped marks from another poster demonstrating sub par build up play is something else. And you also weirdly think one needs to be a play maker to have better technique. I find that odd.

We all like him as a Player but for that fee you want someone polished.
 

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You haven't proven anything. You just think timestamped marks from another poster demonstrating sub par build up play is something else. And you also weirdly think one needs to be a play maker to have better technique. I find that odd.

We all like him as a Player but for that fee you want someone polished.
How hard is it to understand? in MY opinion I think he looks perfectly fine and will thrive in the PL.

If you think opposite then that's fine also, but I won't agree. I've posted videos where to me he looks a solid player, but your reply is purely 'no he's bad'.

People keep saying he has bad technique but where is the evidence?. Anyway, no doubt he will sign for Liverpool and make many eat their words.
 

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Not my cup of tea. He is the obvious target due to his stats, but i prefer a more technical gifter players like Lautaro Martinez. I want our front 3 to be able to interchange between each other being fast, smart and all 3 having great technique.

That being said if Ten Hag think Nunez is the perfect player for his style then i will support it.
 

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Only Barcelona are proper competition if they decide to throw their hat in, maybe Chelsea if they rid of Lukaku. Arsenal, Spurs, Bvb I don't see it.
How about Madrid? Possible replacement for benzema? Dortmund will have the money coming in from haaland so wouldn’t rule them out but they Might go for the guy from Salzburg who’s gonna be the next haaland.
 

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How about Madrid? Possible replacement for benzema? Dortmund will have the money coming in from haaland so wouldn’t rule them out but they Might go for the guy from Salzburg who’s gonna be the next haaland.
I suppose madrid can be in the mix too but dortmund ucl or not don't have a bigger pool on players who are ready to play for the biggest clubs. If he was younger and looking for minutes Dortmund would be more enticing than us.
 

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Why are there question marks over his technique? From this video it looks like it's perfectly fine. Of course it's not Aguero levels but it's definitely not Lukaku levels like some are making it out to be.
 

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Why are there question marks over his technique? From this video it looks like it's perfectly fine. Of course it's not Aguero levels but it's definitely not Lukaku levels like some are making it out to be.
Yep, it is absolutely fine. People want prime Romario, for under 50m as well. We need strikers and you buy the best that are available this summer. This lad falls under that category.
 

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The Lukaku comparisons are worrying as he is trash, and if there are any similarities with that oaf we should steer well clear.
That said he looks decent in that video vs pool and he was bagging against the scousers so it can’t all be bad!
 

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I like how tenacious and physical he looks , like a bulldog which would be imperative in the prem.

The biggest concern is whether he's a on season winder or not, he's according to others massively overperforming his xg, can he keep that up? We might just end up with an average player for 80 mill and no way to get rid.
 

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Apparently he can kind of pull off the False 9 role aswell as being a traditional striker.

This sounds like a potentially younger version of Kane.
 

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Apparently he can kind of pull off the False 9 role aswell as being a traditional striker.

This sounds like a potentially younger version of Kane.
Hes not close to Kane technically
 

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Hes not close to Kane technically
Okay!

I'm just craving a false 9 type player that can balance well with inverted forwards in a squad.

Having both a false 9 and a traditional striker ability on one player does sound good to me.
 

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The concerns about his technique and ability to combine with others are absolutely valid. Its not going to come out in these comp videos but you can see it when you watch matches.

You can kind of see it in the data too, with some caveats about the sample. FBRef only has data on his CL matches, which is a relatively small sample and also includes a lot of games against big teams against which Benfica in general struggled to keep possession. Nevertheless, those stats should raise a lot of eyebrows about him. He completed only 54% of passes, which would put him in 1st percentile among forwards in the Big Five leagues.

I personally have some serious reservations about his ability to play in Arteta's system if he came to Arsenal and I think the same questions hold for ETH's system (which is pretty similar to Arteta's in terms of possession play principles).
 

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Okay!

I'm just craving a false 9 type player that can balance well with inverted forwards in a squad.

Having both a false 9 and a traditional striker ability on one player does sound good to me.
He doesn’t seem the type to me. All his passing and possession stats are poor
 

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The concerns about his technique and ability to combine with others are absolutely valid. Its not going to come out in these comp videos but you can see it when you watch matches.

You can kind of see it in the data too, with some caveats about the sample. FBRef only has data on his CL matches, which is a relatively small sample and also includes a lot of games against big teams against which Benfica in general struggled to keep possession. Nevertheless, those stats should raise a lot of eyebrows about him. He completed only 54% of passes, which would put him in 1st percentile among forwards in the Big Five leagues.

I personally have some serious reservations about his ability to play in Arteta's system if he came to Arsenal and I think the same questions hold for ETH's system (which is pretty similar to Arteta's in terms of possession play principles).
He averages 15 passes in the league according to whoscored with 66% passing success.
 

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I like how tenacious and physical he looks , like a bulldog which would be imperative in the prem.

The biggest concern is whether he's a on season winder or not, he's according to others massively overperforming his xg, can he keep that up? We might just end up with an average player for 80 mill and no way to get rid.
He definitely can't. The question is how much that matters.

He's got 26 league goals from around 15.65 xG so far. But let's say he was only able to return max 14 league goals for us next season. That would still leave him joint-fifth highest goalscorer in the PL alongside Mane as it stands, and ahead of any other actual CF in the league bar Ronaldo. Kane only has 13 goals in the league so far, someone like Ivan Toney 12.

Would that be that bad a return from a hard-working, 22-year old CF? Depending on the price and who else is available this summer, maybe if you think he can return at even that level you accept that from your young CF and hope he gets better from there.
 

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The concerns about his technique and ability to combine with others are absolutely valid. Its not going to come out in these comp videos but you can see it when you watch matches.

You can kind of see it in the data too, with some caveats about the sample. FBRef only has data on his CL matches, which is a relatively small sample and also includes a lot of games against big teams against which Benfica in general struggled to keep possession. Nevertheless, those stats should raise a lot of eyebrows about him. He completed only 54% of passes, which would put him in 1st percentile among forwards in the Big Five leagues.

I personally have some serious reservations about his ability to play in Arteta's system if he came to Arsenal and I think the same questions hold for ETH's system (which is pretty similar to Arteta's in terms of possession play principles).
He averages 15 passes in the league according to whoscored with 66% passing success.
Stats are always needed within context though.

As a striker, are his passes as the last man running with the ball playing risky balls into the box? or are they him dropping deep and laying it off 5 yards and messing them up.

From his playstyle he doesn't look to drop deep and lay it off like some to stat pad. He's often working the channels and cutting the ball back, or contesting a high ball and knocking it down to a team mate.

Could he be tidier? sure. But his base technique in terms of ball control/first touch is definitely not poor IMO. He looks more comfortable on the ball than Cavani and he's made a decent go of the league.
 

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He definitely can't. The question is how much that matters.

He's got 26 league goals from around 15.65 xG so far. But let's say he was only able to return max 14 league goals for us next season. That would still leave him joint-fifth highest goalscorer in the PL alongside Mane as it stands, and ahead of any other actual CF in the league bar Ronaldo. Kane only has 13 goals in the league so far, someone like Ivan Toney 12.

Would that be that bad a return from a hard-working, 22-year old CF? Depending on the price and who else is available this summer, maybe if you think he can return at even that level you accept that from your young CF and hope he gets better from there.
The thing is 14 xg in the Portuguese league doesn't necessarily translate into the same in the prem.
Otherwise I would love to have him as well.
 

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Not my cup of tea. He is the obvious target due to his stats, but i prefer a more technical gifter players like Lautaro Martinez. I want our front 3 to be able to interchange between each other being fast, smart and all 3 having great technique.

That being said if Ten Hag think Nunez is the perfect player for his style then i will support it.
I don’t disagree, but at some point someone has to put the ball in the net
 

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Why are there question marks over his technique? From this video it looks like it's perfectly fine. Of course it's not Aguero levels but it's definitely not Lukaku levels like some are making it out to be.
In the first page on this thread, the initial posters were making positive reviews about him until someone expressed concern about his technique, and everyone lapped it up. It is an overstated aspect of striker's games. You want your players to be very secure with the ball, but strikers should get much more leeway unless they are completely out of their depth, considering that they rarely get much touches on the ball outside the final third unless the team is built around them getting on the ball.

Lukaku's major shortcomings IMO is his workrate and movement. He rarely makes the runs across defenders, doesn't put his body to good use, and doesn't do much off the ball. His poor technical ability specifically, is grossly overstated. He is inconsistent more than poor, and his all-round technique on the ball would be completely acceptable if he was a hard worker capable of scoring the amount of goals he has proven to be capable of scoring.

This Nunez guy do seem to have question marks over the amount of security he offers with the ball - most strikers do honestly, even Ronaldo has been for a while now, but considering that he puts in plenty of running when his team has the ball, and when the other team has the ball, I'd say he would be completely fine here if he could hit the target every other game.

There are more than a few ways to play football, and you can comfortably play a possession game without involving the striker too much - there are nine other outfield players. For me pace, power, movement, workrate, strength in duels, and ball striking are more important for a striker.

Going by what I've seen so far, Ten Hag do make good use of his wingers and full backs for creativity and in the build-up. With Sancho and potentially Antony on the other wing, you don't need another cook if the manager knows what he is doing. If this lad is no worse than Lukaku for example in the build up, then he'd be perfectly fine - if he could score goals of course.
 

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In the first page on this thread, the initial posters were making positive reviews about him until someone expressed concern about his technique, and everyone lapped it up. It is an overstated aspect of striker's games. You want your players to be very secure with the ball, but strikers should get much more leeway unless they are completely out of their depth, considering that they rarely get much touches on the ball outside the final third unless the team is built around them getting on the ball.

Lukaku's major shortcomings IMO is his workrate and movement. He rarely makes the runs across defenders, doesn't put his body to good use, and doesn't do much off the ball. His poor technical ability specifically, is grossly overstated. He is inconsistent more than poor, and his all-round technique on the ball would be completely acceptable if he was a hard worker capable of scoring the amount of goals he has proven to be capable of scoring.

This Nunez guy do seem to have question marks over the amount of security he offers with the ball - most strikers do honestly, even Ronaldo has been for a while now, but considering that he puts in plenty of running when his team has the ball, and when the other team has the ball, I'd say he would be completely fine here if he could hit the target every other game.

There are more than a few ways to play football, and you can comfortably play a possession game without involving the striker too much - there are nine other outfield players. For me pace, power, movement, workrate, strength in duels, and ball striking are more important for a striker.

Going by what I've seen so far, Ten Hag do make good use of his wingers and full backs for creativity and in the build-up. With Sancho and potentially Antony on the other wing, you don't need another cook if the manager knows what he is doing. If this lad is no worse than Lukaku for example in the build up, then he'd be perfectly fine - if he could score goals of course.
Good post. I agree with the work ethic… that’s what made me change my mind on him even with his poor technical ability.
 

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I've never seen this lad play but based on the video's he's got an eye for goal, looks like a great finisher and has the exact kind of industrial work ethic we need.

But is he really worth €80m? I wouldn't say so.
 

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The problem is theres a shortage of strikers, so promising ones such as Nuñez are quoted like worldclass. He's a huge gamble, but I can't think of any other striker we can realistically get with his potential.
 

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80m is way to much. Not much left either then for a CB, RW and DM. Not mentioning fullbacks
 
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