Well, I guess I'm in the minority then. I'll just leave at that. If I happen to find the report I'll post it here, maybe there's something more to it that what the reporter said. If it was just for posting shit on facebook, It just sounds extremely abusive.
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It was an example of the powers given. Your point was ridiculous.
No more than your comparison.
Yeah I think the reported even included a bit from that clip.
Surely there's a difference between active collaborating by sharing info on social media about soldiers positions for example, or just sharing dumb clips, no?
Sharing views on social media is the 2022 equivalent of a person in 1863 posting up pro-Confederate propaganda on street corners. That kind of thing is dangerous when you're fighting a war for national existence and I do not blame them one bit for "going after them". If you're willing to post "pro-nation that's invaded us and wants us to cease to be" views on social media, what else might you be likely to do to help that happen? Questions need to be asked.
You are chatting shit and could easily resolve many of your own questions just be rewatching. The video in question filmed by the Associated Press and was then shared through their wire for all news departments around the world to use, like with DW above.
If you praise Putin, call for secession and disparage symbols of Ukraine, you will be considered an insurrectionist and part of the enemy.
What’s funny is that, because Ukrainian society largely functions on a bilingual basis and this guy was clearly a Russian native speaker, the police/army casually questioned and detained him in Russian – even though he officially had no entitlement to that. So much for Russian being outlawed/suppressed in Ukraine etc. /sarcasm
I apologize for chatting shit and thinking arresting people based on social media posts is extremely abusive.
I love the sentiment that when the second largest army in the world sends 2/3rds of its available strength into a country from all sides it can be labelled a ‘special military operation’. And that they thought that was believable
Do you understand that nobody did that/doing that during the peace time in Ukraine? These people by sharing such posts are likely to end up as targets for actual collaboration by Russian agents, there are many saboteurs that Ukrainian army has to deal with during this time, thus acting preemptively and locking them away for the time being is absolutely a national interest during the war where their actual existence is being threatened? Is that so hard to understand?
Pro-Tip: expect to get "abused" when you post things in favor of the country that's invaded yours while your country is under martial law and fighting a war of national survival
It allowed for detention without trial for being deemed to sympathise with an enemy government. It also removed the need for someone to be found 'guilty'.
I'd wager pretty much every State would enact similar powers if being invaded. It may be a power that has the potential for misuse, but you've shown no evidence of that.
I guess it is, preemptively locking someone away doesn't sit right with me.
If they actually know these people are collaborating, then fair game. I can't interpret sharing a social media post as collaborating.
In this material those pics are quite overt in supporting the invasion.
I you keep refusing the fact that they are at existential war here for some reason and these people openly support the enemy? It’s a war ffs, of course there going to be different law and order during such times.
I understand the ukranian perspective, they're living it, so they don't have the luxury of pondering about potential abuses, but as an outsider it just strikes me as abusive, without quotation marks.
In the video, both people in question are shown to have clear evidence against them supporting Russia and/or engaging directly with the enemy, sharing military intel.
There’s nothing pre-emptive about it, unless you think you cannot stop a suicide bomber until the moment he is blowing himself up.
OK pussy move but I don't have the energy to keep answering different people, especially when it puts me in the position of defending the rights of some pro-putin cnut, which is not what I want to do at all, so I'll just leave it at that.
I will answer to you that I see your point. I empathize with locals that get caught up with this as the punishment seems too intense and indeed a violation of right and so on. However, when it comes to national security you can't take risks. It's a sensitive time.
This is also why it sometimes annoys me when folks in cozy western nations scream "censorship!!!" at any behavior of this sort by governments. Sometimes you have to take a tough stance on national security.
Regarding those who oppose the letter Z, Russian state TV is now talking about no mercy, including concentration camps, "re-education" and sterilisation.
I can't post the clip because it is part of a much longer video.
I can't post the clip because it is part of a much longer video.
What's the point of discussion then? I disagree with @maniak but there is no reason for abusing anyone for an opinion on human rights.
Have to say this just sounds like sensational news bites. I bet their equivalent of fox news said something like that?
Everything on Russian TV is approved by Putin's government. Fox News is not approved by the U.S government.
It's absolutely disgusting and the people committing these atrocities are obviously beyond repair and deserve everything that's coming for them. Still, there are also reports about Russian soldiers don't even knowing where they were heading or that they were going to fight a war, wondering why they are attacking their relatives in Ukraine and so forth. Nobody is defending what's been described in that tweet, nobody at all. You have to be a psychopath to do such stuff.
Our point is rather, every human being is a blank canvas when he's born. Maybe not completely blank as everybody has his character tendencies but the largest part of who we are is down to our upbringing and external influences. Everyone of us could be one of them if we were unlucky enough to be bornj in their stead. There's actually not even any room to argue otherwise unless you want to suggest that committing atrocities is ingrained in their genetics - and I'm sure you don't want to do that.
And that's important to understand because first, it is an enabler to see the roots of the conflict and take measures to prevent that something like this happens again and even more importantly in the short term, it helps us understand the enemy and his weaknesses and which triggers you can pull to demoralize his army and to foresee how he will behave in the future.
That's fair, as I replied to CR, "I understand the ukranian perspective, they're living it, so they don't have the luxury of pondering about potential abuses"
I'm not talking about @maniak , I'm talking about the guy in the video. Maniak said him being arrested was "abusive" and I'm saying the guy should have expected to be "abused".
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Its actually to somewhat heartening to hear the desperation in Russian propaganda, as its indicative of a level of growing instability between state and public.
You just know this isn't going to end well for Solovyov.Agreed. True colours in the open for all. The non stop Nuke chat has lost all it's threat as well, Putin is the boy who cried wolf.
Yes, it also makes them sound like little, impoverished North Korea rather than a putative superpower. Desperate (if abhorrent) stuff.
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Some Nazi kids might have been there doing Nazi stuff, so the anti-Nazi missile was shot at them to denazify them.
We can no longer speak of WW2 German soldiers attempting to deny war crimes by pinning it on orders anymore. Those Russian soldiers here have a serious problem from the moment they say they are enjoying this crap. It's right there on tape for this one and it directly implies several others.
What disgusts me even more though is how the mother is okay with this stuff and will go as far as to believe that the enemy are subhumans. It may only be one case of a very dysfunctional parent, but that is very concerning if more parents of active Russian soldiers are like that mother. I don't think that many American parents seeing their sons or daughters off to war would ever have been fine with such level of barbarity towards any enemy, not even in the aftermath of 9/11 and the trauma it left behind.
After Haniyeh-Lavrov call, Hamas delegation jets off to Moscow for meeting with Russian officials
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One of the dumbest meetings for both sides.