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The BBC reports:

"UK would assist 'with whatever Sweden requested' - Johnson

Asked what happens if Sweden needs help in the "grey zone" after it applies to join Nato but before it is accepted, Johnson says there's a "separate conversation going on" and "it's a matter for Sweden".
But "in the event of a disaster or an attack upon Sweden, the UK would come to the assistance of Sweden with whatever Sweden requested," he also said.

The Swedish PM Andersson says the pact could include military support in times of crisis.

Johnson, meanwhile, also says it's important Sweden is giving the same support to the UK - describing the pact as an important "paving stone for developing relations in the future".
 
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The BBC reports:

"UK would assist 'with whatever Sweden requested' - Johnson

Asked what happens if Sweden needs help in the "grey zone" after it applies to join Nato but before it is accepted, Johnson says there's a "separate conversation going on" and "it's a matter for Sweden".
But "in the event of a disaster or an attack upon Sweden, the UK would come to the assistance of Sweden with whatever Sweden requested," he also said.
The Swedish PM Andersson says the pact could include military support in times of crisis.

Johnson, meanwhile, also says it's important Sweden is giving the same support to the UK - describing the pact as an important "paving stone for developing relations in the future".

Swedish PM Andersson says the pact could include military support in times of crisis.

Johnson, meanwhile, also says it's important that Sweden is giving the same support to the UK in the declaration they have just signed - describing the pact as an important "paving stone for developing relations in the future".
Sweden would absolutely shit on the Russian military if it got invaded. Especially now.
 

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"Hypersonic" is just a hype word to be honest. Even the German V2 in WW2 almost got to that speed already.
Its more than just a word. They are very difficult to stop since air defense systems can't manufacture anything to repel them. So unless it slows down to reach a target where a specific air defense system is deployed, it will hit its target with incredible ferocity, and potentially armed with a nuclear warhead.
 

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Its more than just a word. They are very difficult to stop since air defense systems can't manufacture anything to repel them. So unless it slows down to reach a target where a specific air defense system is deployed, it will hit its target with incredible ferocity, and potentially armed with a nuclear warhead.
True, thankfully it looks like the recent hypersonic tests by the US have been successful and contain technology that is more advanced relative to what the Russians have shown and even the Chinese especially with regards to this new type of "scramjet" engine that DARPA is working on. So hopefully in one to two years, the US will have taken the lead on this front.
 

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True, thankfully it looks like the recent hypersonic tests by the US have been successful and contain technology that is more advanced relative to what the Russians have shown and even the Chinese especially with regards to this new type of "scramjet" engine that DARPA is working on. So hopefully in one to two years, the US will have taken the lead on this front.
Taking the lead on that front doesn’t mean the ones possessed by our enemies can be stopped though.
 

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This is interesting, very deep in Russian occupied territory.

 

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Just read about the ukranians being forcibly deported to russia, grim read, hopefully someone' keeping track of this and they can be found when the war is over. I knew it was happening but had no idea of the numbers.
 

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I've always believed in MAD... :nervous:
Hypersonic missiles don’t have to be equipped with a nuclear warhead. They can carry conventional warheads, or honestly, no warhead at all… I mean, we’re talking about a 10,000 lb object flying at 3500mph here. It’s kinetic energy alone would level things.
 

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Hypersonic missiles don’t have to be equipped with a nuclear warhead. They can carry conventional warheads, or honestly, no warhead at all… I mean, we’re talking about a 10,000 lb object flying at 3500mph here. It’s kinetic energy alone would level things.
I think you need a lot more speed or a lot bigger object for the kinetic energy to really be a problem, right? You don't make something go 3500mph and then not put anything on it, I think.
 

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Hypersonic missiles don’t have to be equipped with a nuclear warhead. They can carry conventional warheads, or honestly, no warhead at all… I mean, we’re talking about a 10,000 lb object flying at 3500mph here. It’s kinetic energy alone would level things.
I read somewhere that the HGVs that Russia and China have in service have to be deployed in ICBM or MRBMs in the first phase of flight, which means that in wartime situations they likely would be treated as nukes anyways as there would be no way to tell the difference. The hypersonic cruise missiles that the US seems to be in the lead on right now do not need an ICBM by contrast.