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Bit worried about signing this kid.

It feels like having an attacker at cb.

I also feel that fans have a soft spot for “dribbling” as they believe it gives them an indication of technicality.

Seems all over the place and having to make last ditch tackles which may be harder in the PL.
 

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Bit worried about signing this kid.

It feels like having an attacker at cb.

I also feel that fans have a soft spot for “dribbling” as they believe it gives them an indication of technicality.

Seems all over the place and having to make last ditch tackles which may be harder in the PL.
Absolute crap
 

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Bit worried about signing this kid.

It feels like having an attacker at cb.

I also feel that fans have a soft spot for “dribbling” as they believe it gives them an indication of technicality.

Seems all over the place and having to make last ditch tackles which may be harder in the PL.
See that's what excites me about Ten Hag, it'll be a completely different continental style of football and even if it eventually falls flat we should get to watch some beautiful football again for the first times in almost a decade
 

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Absolute crap
Wellthats good as you know more about dutch football than me.

Just worried at how often he attacks and if he can tone that down in the PL or will continue to do so because ive heard that ten hag does use his defenders to attack too.
 

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I think for Henderson and AWB combined we will get 60m…. I am confident to get another 10-15 min from the other two!! So I say 70m is reasonable assumption…

Add Rashford, Martial: total 70m…. Whatever we say, Rashford will command 40-50m if we put him in market…

I would even put Maquire on market… May be Newcastle will put 40-45m for him….
Remember when city started buying…. They didn’t get the top players right at the start…. They bought players like Barry etc…. Who are definitely good enough to push them higher before they become another city…

Add other fringe players like Jones, Pereira, Telles etc, we can add 20-30 min on top…

So total of 150m from sales ex Maquire and let’s say 150m budget (I am sure we will give ETH money to be successful)…. In 300m… let’s assume we get De Jong 60m…jurrien, 40m…striker 65m, another versatile defender 30m, another midfielder to partner De Jong 40m….a winger 60m….. and I will definitely look to add Eriksen for free….and we are smart we can add another player on a free!!

Here you go… 300m well spent !! Bring couple of academy players on and I think we have a squad to make top 4
First when have we ever spent that much in a summer? £300M?

Secondly, no manager will want to spend that much in his first window -- tough to integrate and also the expectations will be through the roof. (How many managers have been sacked within 3-6 months after a huge summer window? Lots.) And I doubt the management will ever allow any manager to spend that much in his 1st window. Way too much of a risk.

If anything, he has a modest transfer spend in his 1st window -- to learn the lay of the land. Then spend big in his 2nd summer window.
 

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I have a very different impression. He looks to be very aggressive from what I've seen.
Fair enough, I've only watched the highlight reel but can't really say

We don't need aggressive defenders, we need defenders who know how to play a high line as Ten Hag would expect. Timber is evidently capable of doing so and has done so with our incoming manager.

None of our current defenders are capable of doing so (Varane perhaps? But its hard to judge considering he's not been able to stay fit for 5 minutes).
Think you need both, best partnerships are guys like Rio + Vidic or Rudiger + T. Silva or Ramos + Varane, VVD + Gomez etc

One dominant aerially, one quick. One going into challenge the ball into a false 9 who dropped off and another mopping up behind etc
 

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I think for Henderson and AWB combined we will get 60m…. I am confident to get another 10-15 min from the other two!! So I say 70m is reasonable assumption…

Add Rashford, Martial: total 70m…. Whatever we say, Rashford will command 40-50m if we put him in market…

I would even put Maquire on market… May be Newcastle will put 40-45m for him….
Remember when city started buying…. They didn’t get the top players right at the start…. They bought players like Barry etc…. Who are definitely good enough to push them higher before they become another city…

Add other fringe players like Jones, Pereira, Telles etc, we can add 20-30 min on top…

So total of 150m from sales ex Maquire and let’s say 150m budget (I am sure we will give ETH money to be successful)…. In 300m… let’s assume we get De Jong 60m…jurrien, 40m…striker 65m, another versatile defender 30m, another midfielder to partner De Jong 40m….a winger 60m….. and I will definitely look to add Eriksen for free….and we are smart we can add another player on a free!!

Here you go… 300m well spent !! Bring couple of academy players on and I think we have a squad to make top 4
Sigh.
 

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Wellthats good as you know more about dutch football than me.

Just worried at how often he attacks and if he can tone that down in the PL or will continue to do so because ive heard that ten hag does use his defenders to attack too.
He comes forward if space is available. The Ajax way is that if he does that one of the midfielders covers for him
 

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Jurrien Timber would be a great buy for United, but everything he has said so far seems to point in the direction he will not leave Ajax this summer. He has already talked about being with Ajax next season, wanting to learn more and win more prizes, wanting to be Ajax player of the season next season (which went to his partner Lisandro Martinez this year, of whom far to little people are talking by the way and is way more likely to be sold this summer).

Ten Hag only said about Timber that many topclubs will have Timber on their radar, which is not suggesting he thinks he is likely to leave Ajax this summer.
Wasn't that before Ten Hag got the job though?

United in 'working on 2 transfers at the same time' shocker!

Oh the times, they are a changing.
:drool:

I'm not really sold on this guy, I don't know why.
Without watching him play for more than 5 mins, this is my instinct as well :lol:
 

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You think Maguire is going to go from being England defender and Utd captain to being benched by a 20 year old rookie?

I'm sorry but that ain't happening. He could leave of course but who could realistically buy him?
 

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Maguire has no safety net
I'm not a fan of his but he isn't going to go from being captain to being benched by a kid is he?

He would likely want out but where does he go? Newcastle could be the only club who could move for him but if they don't I don't see where he can go.
 

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I'm not a fan of his but he isn't going to go from being captain to being benched by a kid is he?

He would likely want out but where does he go? Newcastle could be the only club who could move for him but if they don't I don't see where he can go.
Would be a great idea for all parties involved tbh - he's a lot better than guys like Schar, Burns, Lascelles etc.

I think it'll come down to money - Newcastle can't really spend like City just yet, so they might think Maguire's wages are better spent elsewhere.

We probably won't accept at 30-40M offer for him, but we really should. It'll be our version of the Andy Carrol transfer.
 

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I don't recall ever seeing this guy play bu he does sound "young" for a CB (although I've heard he can play at full back too)...
 

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You think Maguire is going to go from being England defender and Utd captain to being benched by a 20 year old rookie?

I'm sorry but that ain't happening. He could leave of course but who could realistically buy him?
I thinkTen Hag won’t pick his team based on reputation
 

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I'm not a fan of his but he isn't going to go from being captain to being benched by a kid is he?

He would likely want out but where does he go? Newcastle could be the only club who could move for him but if they don't I don't see where he can go.
If ten hag doesn't rate him, he will be benched.
 

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It’s never ideal to be undersized as a CB because it’s a seemingly obvious weakness and inlet to attack, but the reality is the more important things for short CB’s is their understanding of their own bodies and limitations. Generally,*great* short CB’s are athletic marvels with tremendous compensatory leaps and immaculate timing and reading of the game and when and when not to contest bigger men aerially: Passarella; Cannavaro; Baresi; B.Wright; Ayala; Cordoba; Puyol; not one of them would people say were deficient aerially, in fact, to a man they were praised for their ‘surprising’ aerial prowess, but you don’t even have to look at those in that tier; players like Heinze, Mascherano; Bruce all of whom read the flight of crosses and the timings and in the moment snapshot superbly well, in fact Heinze and Bruce immediately go to the conversation of best aerial defenders United have ever had, such was their brilliance in any kind of aerial contest.

Point is, it’s not height that’s ruinous; it’s understanding and pre-emptive actions - you better be doubly good at reading play and positioning yourself if you’re short, is the point, so in and of itself, what needs to be asked about Timber as a CB is how good is he actually at being a defender? What are his defensive fundamentals like and does he use his immense physical attributes in unison with a good, core understanding of defensive actions? It’s not height that is the downfall; it’s being shit at defending, where a shorter CB has to be even more honed in the craft than taller ones.

Timber’s height wouldn’t determine anything in the PL; he’d just be exposed as a poor CB if constantly outdone in aerial duels.

Anyway, I still don’t know why the notion is he comes here just to be a CB when his eclectic nature really primes him for more adventurous roles, especially so with our gaping holes and need for players in multiple positions.

What can also happen is start the guy wide so he gets a feel for the league and the lay of the land, and then slowly integrate him to central positions. That can be after an outright RB comes in; it certainly doesn’t have to be: buy, throw in at the deep end.

But yeah, height is not a reason to avoid a CB unless he’s pint-sized, which Timber isn’t as he’s no shorter than Heinze or Puyol who were famed for their aggression and robustness over practically anyone active at the time they were playing.
 

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Let's go back to Blind. A very well skilled CB for us who couldn't make it due to his height.
The geezer who won the FA cup, Europa, and League Cup with us playing predominantly as a CB? That guy?
 

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You think Maguire is going to go from being England defender and Utd captain to being benched by a 20 year old rookie?

I'm sorry but that ain't happening. He could leave of course but who could realistically buy him?
Maybe not right away, but if he is as bad the start of the season as he has been this, it wont be long before he is benched. Reading about TH, if the players cant play how he wants them to play, they are quickly dropped and then gone.
 

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Lots of great forwards who were great in the air were not that tall. They managed to get by with positioning, movement and timing. I think it shouldn't be that different for CBs either

Ajax's defensive record this season is very good, so Timber's lack of height can't have been much of a problem there
 

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Try closer to 50. How are you getting 100 from these lot?
Maybe £60-£70m if being optimistic
Would be lucky to get half of that.
Henderson would easily sell for 40m. AWB 20m, Bailey 15, Tzunzabe 15.

Or is it only Chelsea and Pool who can get that kind of money for fringe players? Look what Arsenal paid for a keeper and centre back last summer, very similar quality wise to the above.

We got 26m for Dan James last summer or have you all forgotten that.
 

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The geezer who won the FA cup, Europa, and League Cup with us playing predominantly as a CB? That guy?
Yeah the guy who wasn't a preferred option later on down the line and got sold even though he wasn't in decline and we had nobody better skilled.
 

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Henderson would easily sell for 40m. AWB 20m, Bailey 15, Tzunzabe 15.

Or is it only Chelsea and Pool who can get that kind of money for fringe players? Look what Arsenal paid for a keeper and centre back last summer, very similar quality wise to the above.

We got 26m for Dan James last summer or have you all forgotten that.
No he wouldn't. More realistic I think would be:

Henderson 20-25
AWB 20-25
Bailly 10-12
Tuanzebe 10-12

60-74m total, the upper end being quite optimistic.
 

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Let's go back to Blind. A very well skilled CB for us who couldn't make it due to his height.
I always thought Daley acquitted himself very well at CB. Especially as we signed him as a midfielder initially. He was the best partner we ever put with Smalling. I was very sorry to see him sold ahead of Smalling/Jones/Rojo actually.
 

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I think for Henderson and AWB combined we will get 60m…. I am confident to get another 10-15 min from the other two!! So I say 70m is reasonable assumption…

Add Rashford, Martial: total 70m…. Whatever we say, Rashford will command 40-50m if we put him in market…

I would even put Maquire on market… May be Newcastle will put 40-45m for him….
Remember when city started buying…. They didn’t get the top players right at the start…. They bought players like Barry etc…. Who are definitely good enough to push them higher before they become another city…

Add other fringe players like Jones, Pereira, Telles etc, we can add 20-30 min on top…

So total of 150m from sales ex Maquire and let’s say 150m budget (I am sure we will give ETH money to be successful)…. In 300m… let’s assume we get De Jong 60m…jurrien, 40m…striker 65m, another versatile defender 30m, another midfielder to partner De Jong 40m….a winger 60m….. and I will definitely look to add Eriksen for free….and we are smart we can add another player on a free!!

Here you go… 300m well spent !! Bring couple of academy players on and I think we have a squad to make top 4
AWB - currently unsellable due to wages and length left on contract (and probably the least likely out of our full backs to be sold this summer)
Martial - currently unsellable due to wages and two years left on contract
Rashford - will not be sold
Maguire - will not be sold

Realistcally -
Henderson, Dalot and Bailly are our most sellable assets and Ten Hag may want to keep one of them. If we make more than £70m in sales this year, i'd be amazed.
 

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Had the pleasure of seeing Timber play in person. His athleticism and strength will be an asset especially when cornered into tight spaces. Maguire’s slowness will be even more apparent if Timber joins us
It’s an exciting signing, I do think we tried for De Ligt as first choice but he’s signing an extention now so we went for Timber.

I saw some highlights from the last game of the season and his involvement with the 2nd goal was very impressive.

Guy is only 19 too with so much potential , he’ll be a top CB in a few years and is close already.
 

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Blind was a victim of our lack of continuity between managerial appointments. It wasn't exactly a surprise that he didn't fit Mourinho's idea of a defender in the way he did Van Gaal or Ten Hag.
 

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AWB - currently unsellable due to wages and length left on contract (and probably the least likely out of our full backs to be sold this summer)
Martial - currently unsellable due to wages and two years left on contract
Rashford - will not be sold
Maguire - will not be sold

Realistcally -
Henderson, Dalot and Bailly are our most sellable assets and Ten Hag may want to keep one of them. If we make more than £70m in sales this year, i'd be amazed.
Rashford and Maguire were never getting sold but you don't think we can sell AWB to Palace? This same team payed close to £60m combined for Benteke and Sakho I'm sure they can pay something close to £20m for one of their best academy graduates that's still 24.
Martial will be hard to sell permanently but a loan deal isn't unrealistic and the most likely scenario because Ten Hag isn't keeping him if he's not part of his plans.
Also doubt Dalot gets sold he's closer to an ETH fullback than AWB
 

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I always thought Daley acquitted himself very well at CB. Especially as we signed him as a midfielder initially. He was the best partner we ever put with Smalling. I was very sorry to see him sold ahead of Smalling/Jones/Rojo actually.
Blind was very good for us and his height was never a problem
There were talks about how Benteke will eat him alive aerially when we played Villa.
Instead Blind was keeping him in his pocket all match long
 

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Lots of great forwards who were great in the air were not that tall. They managed to get by with positioning, movement and timing. I think it shouldn't be that different for CBs either

Ajax's defensive record this season is very good, so Timber's lack of height can't have been much of a problem there
jota comes to mind with this
 

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I always thought Daley acquitted himself very well at CB. Especially as we signed him as a midfielder initially. He was the best partner we ever put with Smalling. I was very sorry to see him sold ahead of Smalling/Jones/Rojo actually.
I loved Blind. He made mistakes and played in a pretty poor defence, but his ability on the ball was light years ahead of almost every other player in the squad. He was a symbol of progressive football at the club.

His sale was like re-entering the stoneage - and our defence hasn't really improved at all. They still can't defend, but now we can't pass out either.
 

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Rashford and Maguire were never getting sold but you don't think we can sell AWB to Palace? This same team payed close to £60m combined for Benteke and Sakho I'm sure they can pay something close to £20m for one of their best academy graduates that's still 24.
Martial will be hard to sell permanently but a loan deal isn't unrealistic and the most likely scenario because Ten Hag isn't keeping him if he's not part of his plans.
Also doubt Dalot gets sold he's closer to an ETH fullback than AWB
On current wages, he'd come back to palace as third highest earner - almost £40k more than the majority of other senior players. The deal doesnt make sense for Palace, when they've got Clyne also on a high wage.

Martial loan most likely, unless we don't bring in a striker, he'll have to stick around as Ronaldo cover.

Dalot has one year left doesn't he, maybe a 1 year option to extend? Ten Hag will have to decide quickly, as this is the last window where Dalot has any real value in the market. Personally I'd sell, hasn't shown enough - bring Timber in as RB/CB

Though with Newcastle money floating around this window, anything is possible I guess.
 

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Bit worried about signing this kid.

It feels like having an attacker at cb.

I also feel that fans have a soft spot for “dribbling” as they believe it gives them an indication of technicality.

Seems all over the place and having to make last ditch tackles which may be harder in the PL.
From the little I've seen he does seem superb with the ball at feet. I don't see how that wouldn't help us big time. We have so many players in our buildup phase who need 3-4 touches to do a non productive action. Great teams do that stuff instinctively.

If not as a starter then a very good squad option.

Great. But what on earth is discomirror?
 

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Mark Goldbridge live on YouTube this morning just said he has spoken to someone today and confirmed "this deal will happen"

Personal stuff sorted and timber has agreed just the other stuff to get done ✅
 

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Mark Goldbridge live on YouTube this morning just said he has spoken to someone today and confirmed "this deal will happen"

Personal stuff sorted and timber has agreed just the other stuff to get done ✅
I really doubt people like Mark Goldbridge have sources or people that will tell him stuff like this.
 
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