This is why I think it could be a mistake. Looking at City and Liverpool, they don't have starting CB's with major weaknesses. Finding players with all of the correct attributes won't be easy/cheap, but they have to be out there.
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Looks a player.Be good at right back but would have concerns if we intend on playing him at centre half.
You are probably right about style, but City's CB's are much more physical than this kid seems to be, however I've not watched him play very often. But I do think that Liverpools' defense is better than that of City's and a physical freak like VVD certainly helps their cause.
Why so many talking about his height?
I mean, he is still young isn’t it? Maybe he could grow another inch or 2 in future?
I mean, he is still young isn’t it? Maybe he could grow another inch or 2 in future?
An inch or 2 isn't going to be the difference between him being an aerial monster or completely useless. It just typifies everyone overreacting to his height.
My fear is that people are talking about him costing >£50mn and that’s just too much for a player with so many question marks (will his height be a major handicap, can he play right back at the standard we require? is he going to start?) and whose transfer could essentially block us from paying top dollar for really high quality midfielders or strikers.
You guys bought an amazing player and talent. He is great.
Do you know something we don't?People are quick to doubt Ten Hag, he obviously has an idea how to use him. If you can be bothered look at Timber's stats at least, they're unreal.
Ajax fans knowing more than we do? Hopefully we get him, he looks fantastic
What has Henderson done in the last 12 months to be one of the most expensive goalkeepers of all time? I think even 20m would be a reach. The players Arsenal signed actually played games, you can’t compare Tuanzebe and Henderson to that.
The point is it's not a choice between a short CB who is good on the ball vs a tall CB who is poor on the ball.
You can have the best of both worlds, City do, Liverpool do. You don't have to compromise and look to compensate for major weaknesses in a players attributes, we're just choosing to compensate with our choice in signings. We did the same with Maguire not being able to run hoping we'd somehow build a team where we could "get away with it".
huh?
Sorry I should have phrased it differently. I know that UTD are in talks with Ajax about Timber. Timber loves ETH and I can't see him going anywhere else (even though loads of clubs are interested). I am expecting a pricetag of 37M pounds.
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This guys been pushing Timber to us since early April before ETH was even announced
Henderson has Newcastle after him, and goalkeepers don't move that frequently so "one of most expensive of all time" is meaningless (besides, Kepa went for 70m).
The mafia maybe.
Other than putting a gun to their heads, what's the incentive for either AWB or Martial to take signifcant pay cuts to help us acheive a sale.
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Kounde is an inch shorter...
Not sitting on the bench, or playing the reserves.
Some players are happy not playing and getting paid. I don't know whether these players are, but they're not particularly old and if they have any ambition they'll realise two years waiting for a contract to run down whilst not playing will do nothing for them.
Cheers mate, we'll take good care of him
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If it doesn't work at CB then switch him to right back Sounds as if he's a very versatile player too.
Sounds as if he's a very versatile player too.Many are concerned about his aerial stats, which show he struggles with that part of the game.
Many of us think that that same weakness can be exposed much more in the premier league.
Not making my mind but just found it interesting
I actually think he'll be started at RB.If it doesn't work at CB then switch him to right back
Regardless of this years form, replacing Maguire, Varane or Lindelof with a 20 year old is too big a move for a manager who's just walked into the club. They'll have their chances and Timber will be waiting in the wings (literally) for Ten Hag to make his decision on them.
As long as you can pass better than AWB and tackle better than Dalot, neither of which is hard, you'll be starting RB.
Statistics are quite unreliable when judging the defensive side of the game because playing style affects amounts of tackles, headers, blocks etc. However, they tell us a lot in terms of passing accuracy, effectiveness of passing and carrying. Timber is absolutely elite among centre backs at this and so these types of videos are unfair. Every player makes mistakes. Think this is a part of his game that is currently above question to be fair to him.
Wouldn't watch youtube videos too much. The best reaction is that of the Ajax fans who want to hold on to him more than anyone
Timber should not be leaving Ajax yet. One more year at Ajax will be good for him. Not sure if he's ready for PL yet. He could be and if anything he's gonna cut it in Ten Hag's football, but it is definitely a gamble. But I guess I understand Ten Hag. He needs to improve the squad in multiple areas, of which CB is probably the biggest one. He needs CBs that can handle the ball and Timber definitely is superb in that. I would personally go with De Ligt. I still rate De Ligt higher. Of course he's not as godo on the ball as Timber, but De Ligt is still solid in possession and obviously he brings much more to the table physically.
For me I would prioritize De Ligt as the next leader for Man Utd. De Ligt is also a leader and Timber is much more shy and not that kind of personality. However as mentioned before Ten Hag clearly needs to improve multiple areas in the team and from that perspective I understand him going for Timber as Timber will come with a significantly lower price tag than De Ligt or other CB's that might fit the profile. On top of that Timber can also be used as a fullback.
As an Ajax fan it makes me sad as players shouldn't leave Ajax after just 2 full seasons. He should play another year or two in the first team before leaving. It's too early. But this is sadly what happens when the head coach moves to a big club. Will always take one or two players with him.
For me I would prioritize De Ligt as the next leader for Man Utd. De Ligt is also a leader and Timber is much more shy and not that kind of personality. However as mentioned before Ten Hag clearly needs to improve multiple areas in the team and from that perspective I understand him going for Timber as Timber will come with a significantly lower price tag than De Ligt or other CB's that might fit the profile. On top of that Timber can also be used as a fullback.
As an Ajax fan it makes me sad as players shouldn't leave Ajax after just 2 full seasons. He should play another year or two in the first team before leaving. It's too early. But this is sadly what happens when the head coach moves to a big club. Will always take one or two players with him.
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use some paragraphs bro, nobody is reading all that
Never seen him play, but slightly nervous that people are positioning him as a modern day shorter version of Silvestre.
Height may not be everything. Lindelof is 6ft 2 apparently, yet heads as if he's 5ft 8. But if we have any intention of bringing a centre back in, he has to be able to cut it aerially in this league.
Height may not be everything. Lindelof is 6ft 2 apparently, yet heads as if he's 5ft 8. But if we have any intention of bringing a centre back in, he has to be able to cut it aerially in this league.
I dunno mate, this forum blows my mind sometimes, you would think there were no good CBs below 190cm in the past.
A bit harsh, but true nonetheless...
Stones is 6ft 2, Laporte is 6ft 3.
Ake isn't that good, and barely plays.
Cancelo is still 6ft but is a full back/winger anyway.
Dias is physical.
Maguires a but towerring unit, see how that panned out.
Because a lot of the ball is in the air in the premier league. You can't have weak aerial defenders without getting punished. Hence all the complaints about Bailly and Lindelof.
And even Jonesy gets battered, being 5ft 10.
Talking about he may get taller is just laughable mate.
The problem is that if he stays at Ajax another year and continue he's to improve, next year his price will double. If Ten Hag really wants him, but him now. You can always send him out on a short term loan if he isn't quite ready for the Premier yet.
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Writing on a big screen myself which I use for work as well, so didn't really notice that it became such a long paragraph.
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