This is what I have at my end:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/world/europe/russia-bucha-ukraine-executions.html
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2022/04/04/russias-bucha-facts-versus-the-evidence/
What’s your position?
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/world/europe/russia-bucha-ukraine-executions.html
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2022/04/04/russias-bucha-facts-versus-the-evidence/
What’s your position?
I'm guessing I would probably have to take you by the hand and walk to Ukraine to catch a Russian committing a war crime live, before you would believe it. Even then, you would probably just claim it was staged or something.
I'm curious what you make of stuff like this? I would encourage you to take a good look at the photographs.
NY Times article
AP Article
And even if you don't believe in that, I think it is pretty irrefutable that tons of civilian property incl. homes have been destroyed by this fecked up war, and that millions and millions of Ukrainians have been forced to become refugees, throwing their life into complete turmoil from one day to the other. All because of the megalomaniacal plans of an aging madman, the people who support him and not least the soldiers that do his bidding.
No they are invading an trying to annex a sovereign democratic country that has every reason not to be more friendly towards Russia. Like Russia trying to destroy them.
Ukraine is a sovereign state, Ukranians are a sovereign nation and they have each and every right to despise the chief rushist and his cronies. May those orcs who raped my relatives and burnt them suffer the most painful and prolonged deaths possible.
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So that’s the burden of proof then.
You know, like, war crimes have to be independently investigated.
It’s not like oh fecking Russians did it, therefore it is.
where did I insult you???
There are lots of comparisons with Putin’s regime and the Nazis. If you would bother to educate yourself you might be able to make a proper objective judgement. A book I would recommend you to read is The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.
So much new TV to watch this weekend but this thread on fire today.Then explain this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60981238
Let's compare shall we
Both Dictatorships
Believing their country has a right to invade other soveign democratic countries believing they have the right to take their land and assets
Deportation of ethnic Ukrainians to Russia. Why is this happening and where are they? Concentration camps?
Mass genocide of civilian population
The complete leveling of civilian homes
Rapes including of children and the elderly
Nazi Russia = Nazi Germany. It's ironic you talk about the Nazis in Ukraine when you are in fact the Nazi's yourselves.
So just to be clear, you’re arguing that Ukrainians conducted the massacre? Presumably as a kind of false flag operation?
I mean there's a good chance you would have if you were around between 1939-1945 and referring to, you know, Nazi soldiers.
So you're saying your dad is a war criminal? Or just that it's quite likely he's a war criminal?
Thank you, I will have a look about that Kherson counter-attack.
Hopefully they can hold out a little longer, with that new weapons they're talking about these days, or by pulling troops out of Kharkov, or somewhere else.
Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid.
Your country is conducting an illegal war, and some of your countrymen are conducting war crimes. Both deserve every bit of criticism, scorn and name-calling coming their way (on top of the sanctions and the ass-kicking they have received on the battle-field so far).
Until the country changes it's leadership and throws away their unhealthy strong-man obsession, I think (or hope) they will rightly be a complete international pariah.
Go to YouTube and search 'Bucha war crimes'. Pretty much every news agency on the planet has reports and eye witness accounts of Russian barbarity.
Or are they all paid actors in a massive conspiracy?
Look, I think recent pages have been a very interesting meltd discussion, but maybe it would be best to create another side thread to keep this one on topic. We could call it "my daddy is a war criminal<3" to create a safe space for like-minded affluent people.
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You’re not explaining to me how they were freshly presec
Like you just posted a link to me which doesn’t explain any information.
Look at photos from Bucha and look at cadavers in like +8 heat.
Maybe Russians did execute some people I don’t know mate. I’m just saying…take a minute see what’s going on.
I’m not trying to paint Russians as savour of Europe.
Wagnеяg group is controlled by somesone So notorious that I take care in regards to actually writing the company. The PMC is controlled by someone so fecking ferocious and violent that I’ll not mention him by name. Ukrainian battalions are in absolute alignment with his view but like do you see me trying to justify their involvement? I’ll not call anyone names and I’ll not pretend to be an arm chair general.
Paxi really is a case study for how propaganda works. Prime example of cognitive dissonances at work.
Putin should not be in power. It is a dictatorship by all intents and purposes.
im getting lost at mass genocide though. Tell me where Putin has murdered people — (journalists don’t count)
That’s the thing I’m not a fan of Puitin but the indiscriminate punishment of Russians has absolutely played into Putins hands. @harms please attest to that.
Not a lawyer but can you prove it? According to the charter of UN. Russia is acting in collective pre-emotive self defence.
Quuting this before you edit it. Your first reply was to say that the article did not describe how the bodies “were fresh” but then, when realizing the article went beyond that and showed they were there before the Russian army left you pivoted to another excuse. Pathetic.
This really made me laugh. I don't know if you're serious or joking with the last few pages.Seriously now, was your father on the Kiev front? Is there anything that surprised him? To what does he attribute Russia's failure to meet its objectives?
Pretty much every news agency….
What next… Iraq has weapons of mass destruction?
Utter bollocks.
Fecking hell
In self defense of what? Ukraine joining the EU and a self-defense pact called Nato?
Yes, you're a bad person for saying that a country has the right do so anything that's a strategic interest. For example, invading a sovereign and shelling civilians.
What utter, utter bullshit. That would be according to Russia, not according to the UN.
The UN Charter states: "Member states shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations". This seems to perfectly describe exactly what Russia are doing.
The self-defense argument is blindingly stupid, because Ukraine was not planning an attacked (no matter what you have heard on your state TV), and have in fact never attacked another nation.
I’m not saying there no propaganda.
It’s a horrible fecking war and that’s that.
We didn’t call you orcs, or some fecking stupid names for your soldiers.
We didn’t call you Untermenschen gloatingly did we. Maybe see who’s doing that.
So show then.
I was absolutely having a dig at Russia silencing free press. Seems this place is too vanilla for that.
Negating war crimes might do that to a place.
After all the invasions of Russia of Ukraine and annexing Crimea and well currently trying to annex the whole of Ukraine I find it astonishing you can still claim Russia is acting in self defense.
Mate, stop. There's absolutely no merit to their claim under article 51 of the UN charter alone. Any decently competent legal scholar would say it as Dombas is not a state. You're regurgitating russian propaganda.
I'm sorry @Paxi but you're so wrong on pretty much everything in here. Even if we discount Bucha (although how can we? There's an overwhelming amount of evidence that points to Russian and literally nothing that points to any kind of a set up or whatever it is you're trying to point us towards with your fresh corpses thing), what about, say, Mariupol? Who was it that demolished the entire city? Or do you think that those were Ukrainians as well, for whatever reason, that somehow manage to fight with an entire Russian army while keeping up indiscriminately demolishing their own country to the ground to paint Russia as the Nazi Germany 2.0 in the eyes of the rest of the world (something that, even if we assume that Ukrainians somehow did it, they've already achieved — yet Ukrainian towns and villages keep getting bombed and burned to the ground day by day)?
I respectfully disagree. If Russians suddenly made Cuba their satellite state. It would cause an an absolute sizemic geopolitical crisis.
Prove it.
Did you see me saying that. I said that according to UN — Russian Military operation in Ukraine is legal.