GatoLoco
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Still the best league for obvious reasons. Not even up for debate.
The weakness of the league overall has hurt both City and Liverpool in their games against Madrid, the same thing that has been happening to PSG for years. white textIf United beat Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico to win the CL this would have been bumped.
What's the verdict?
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It's very overrated because it's got two teams and because of Sky. Even in terms of entertainment, Serie A has arguably been more entertaining.The PL is good entertainment for sure but it's also very overrated by the media and ex players.
Villareal weren't ridiculous vs Liverpool, Atletico had some chances vs Man City.
And City were dominated by PSG.. Liverpool suffered against a poor Inter and was in danger against Villarreal…. Only City and Pool are worth mentioning.I don’t get how this proves La Liga is best. Barcelona finished third in their group and were knocked out by a midtable Bundesliga side and Athletico were beaten by City, the ultimate CL bottlers, after barely doing anything against the worst United side in decades. Even Real had some embarrassing defeats this year.
The PL is the best league in the world. Real being brilliant in the CL doesn't change that. They've had a knack for this competition for years.
In recent years, Spurs, Chelsea and United have all gotten to European finals. What league has more strength in depth?It's very overrated because it's got two teams and because of Sky. Even in terms of entertainment, Serie A has arguably been more entertaining.
I do agree the gap in quality is smaller than the financial gap.And City were dominated by PSG.. Liverpool suffered against a poor Inter and was in danger against Villarreal…. Only City and Pool are worth mentioning.
The PL is still the strongest, but the gap is nowhere near what the money suggests.
I’m fine with this.Real Madrid are officially PL champions 21-22, give the medals back City.
Isn’t that what this new format is basically going to be?I think if the Champions was a league with 20 clubs and with no knockout phase, Manchester City would finish it between 15 to 20 points ahead of Madrid.
I'm not sure if they are going to eliminate the knockout phase. If its the case, brace yourselves for Bayern and City winning 30 champions in the next decades.Isn’t that what this new format is basically going to be?
I’m not looking forward to it. Feels like a way for the big clubs to maintain their places at the top.I'm not sure if they are going to eliminate the knockout phase. If its the case, brace yourselves for Bayern and City winning 30 champions in the next decades.
Do you base that on City drawing with Sporting, losing to Leipzig, Paris, and Madrid? And in your scenario does City still get the fake sponsor oil money + the PL tv rights?I think if the Champions was a league with 20 clubs and with no knockout phase, Manchester City would finish it between 15 to 20 points ahead of Madrid.
Absolutely. It really highlighted that the prem is a morass of shite below City and Liverpool, hence why they're racking up 90+ points every year.Aside from Pool and City, the PL is shit. The fact that we were in the race for top 4 in such an absymal season is one example. West Ham played out of their minds and couldnt get Europa League. Midway through, Conte showed how shit the league is by taking an abject Spurs, under Nuno, to the CL.
We beat Milan but on penalties and were thoroughly outplayed. It does seem like English clubs get found out against the continental ones. Maybe a coaching standard issue? I heard a few years ago that Spain and Germany had more coaches with UEFA badges than England, and by a large margin.I heard that United are the last PL team that beat a non-PL team in regular time in a CL final.
Chelsea beat Bayern in penalties and the rest were european champions by beating another PL team.
Its an alarming stat.
Yes, United in 99. Since that we've only had 2 finals going to English sides against other opposition. Both are among the weakest winners ever. Pool 2005 and Chelsea 2012 (I can't say which is the worst fluke). And of course, both got the unlikely comeback + the shootout.I heard that United are the last PL team that beat a non-PL team in regular time in a CL final.
Chelsea beat Bayern in penalties and the rest were european champions by beating another PL team.
Its an alarming stat.
It’s not just Madrid, an average Atletico gave Pool a hard time in the group stage and kicked us out, we struggle against any La Liga side we meet throughout the years from the Madrid and Barca to Celta, Atletico, Bilbao, Villarreal, Sevilla. City got spanked by Barca and Madrid quite regularly during their first few years in the CL. Chelsea is the best of the lot, but they also fluked that win against Barca in 2012 being beaten twice before that and lost to Atletico in the semi in 13/14.Madrid just have a mastery over prem clubs in Europe. It’s unexplainable. Even when they get battered they somehow win. This Madrid side was ragtag and weak. Yet they just find a way.
Yep. "You kill it, you own it" rule comes into effect. Give over those medals baldyReal Madrid are officially PL champions 21-22, give the medals back City.
I mean, all 3 looked hilariously better than us over the games, but stillIt's fun to watch Real Madrid beat the best Premier League teams, they're still the best league right now but the gap isn't as big as some like to claim. It was a fun season anyway and hope we get to draw Manchester City again so we can knock out the Pep Guardiola is my idol again.
Wut? When?And City were dominated by PSG..
Oh yeah. We'd be closer to Chelsea than City, definitely. Though I think it comes down to coaching, we actually have better players overall than Chelsea and are close to Liverpool and CityI think if the Champions was a league with 20 clubs and with no knockout phase, Manchester City would finish it between 15 to 20 points ahead of Madrid.
Iirc, they got away with one there. Similar to us yesterday
They did what matters. They scored 2 goals and conceded none. You did the same yesterday but you got robbed of one of your goals (Fairplay I guess if UEFA is making you pay for the ESL).Iirc, they got away with one there. Similar to us yesterday
And it really is beyond dispute. You only have to look at the money involved. Since the Americans are not terribly invested in football (soccer, for their benefit) and the OZ/NZ ones aren't either, it can't be claimed that sheer global linguistic weight is what carries the PL to prominence. There are probably two or even three times as many people in this world who are interested in football and have Spanish as their native language, and yet the Premier League is the one that remains vastly more profitable in terms of both advertisement and viewership deals. It's because this is a league that actually has more than two or three teams worth paying attention to. And that was the case before the various takeovers, too.Still the best league for obvious reasons. Not even up for debate.
chelse against barcelona was an absolute shambles (or hilarious depending on your allegience).It’s not just Madrid, an average Atletico gave Pool a hard time in the group stage and kicked us out, we struggle against any La Liga side we meet throughout the years from the Madrid and Barca to Celta, Atletico, Bilbao, Villarreal, Sevilla. City got spanked by Barca and Madrid quite regularly during their first few years in the CL. Chelsea is the best of the lot, but they also fluked that win against Barca in 2012 being beaten twice before that and lost to Atletico in the semi in 13/14.
For all the masturbatory rhetorics of the PL being the best league, performance in Europe has never borne that out, but for a couple of years in the last few decades.
This is like the 17th consecutive win for a Spanish team against a non-Spanish team in a European final.City and Liverpool are obviously better teams than Real Madrid (though I hate both City and Loserpool).
Real Madrid played like underdog in both games, in terms of possessions, chances created, xG etc.
The fact that Real Madrid managed to win both games doesn't prove it is the strongest team.
We cant say because Wigan beat city in fa cup final,, Wigan was the best team in England in 2013
I thought Chelsea was the worst actually. They got the most fortunate goal (Mendy’s error) and Chelsea missed the worst chances of any team. The first half of the first game was good but then Chelsea definitely should have got within 1 goal, Lukaku missing a few sitters iircI think RM fared decently against PL teams.
Against Chelsea I think they were better. The 2nd game was bad, but RM have had a bad 2nd game after a great 1st one a lot in the winning CL runs (Juve, Atletico, Dortmund), it's a game management issue, same reason why they can do remontadas. It's difficult for anyone to manage a 2-goal advantage, you lose concentration.
City were better than RM in general, but also lucky in that RM gifted them a lot of goals. Defense in the first game was uncharacteristically shit (even by its middling standards).
Against Liverpool the tactics were the same against PSG, but this time they worked perfectly.
But how do you know how the likes of Betis and Real Sociedad would do in the Premiership? Why does everyone assume they would lose just because of their smaller budgets? The accusation against them is that they don't beat Real Madrid? Well neither does Liverpool?La Liga is still just a 2 team battle of a league. Sometimes that is not even there.
You check the quality of teams like Leicester, United, Brighton, West Ham, Arsenal - it just shows what a different season PL teams have.
I look at La Liga’ no 7 in table vs PL’s no 7.But how do you know how the likes of Betis and Real Sociedad would do in the Premiership? Why does everyone assume they would lose just because of their smaller budgets? The accusation against them is that they don't beat Real Madrid? Well neither does Liverpool?
I don't understand the logic sometimes. Look at the record that La Liga teams have in European trophies this century. It's astonishing.
It's so hard to tell if these posts are satire or not.La Liga is still just a 2 team battle of a league. Sometimes that is not even there.
You check the quality of teams like Leicester, United, Brighton, West Ham, Arsenal - it just shows what a different season PL teams have.