The Athletic: Only in an alternate reality should Real Madrid be Champions League winners

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So playing averagely and winning cups on pens is fine because the result is all that matters.
Yet playing defensively to thwart the opponents high energy opening style is some sort of issue?
 

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So playing averagely and winning cups on pens is fine because the result is all that matters.
Yet playing defensively to thwart the opponents high energy opening style is some sort of issue?
Just regurgitating Klopp then.
 

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The guy is as detached from reality as Liverpool winning the quadruple . He is more of a fiction writer than a footballing one but then again I have seen more reality in fictions than the article he came up with. He should seek help.
 

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The Liverpool love in is because half the journos support them. Off the top of my head, Dominic King, chris bascombe, Ian Doyle, Paul Joyce, Oliver Holt, James Pearce, Rory Smith, Darren Lewis of the mirror [although he also has his tongue firmly up Spurs' arse too, was a running joke about it on talksport when he used to be on],

Then you look at whose on Tv/medias and its Carra, Phil Thompson, Kelly Cates/Dalglish, Redknapp, Michael Owen, Stevie G now and again, McManaman, Danny Murphy, Souness, Beglin, Steve Nicol, John aldridge too, but he is an absolute embarrassment

Theyre everywhere...
The list of journos who support them is very long. What annoys me even more is the ones who don't admit it. Years ago, I remember giving up on the Times podcast because 3/4 of the hosts were Liverpool fans.

I also have a theory that the ones who don't support them are scared to criticize them because their enormous online fanbase will attack them.
 

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Knew The Athletic was a hack publication. Post final journalism is really highlighting how ingrained Liverpool is in the British media. I've never seen such a ridiculous headline before.
 

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Honestly, the bitter tears make it all the sweeter. I'm here for it all day long.

It was a long and terrible season of football for me but the ending made up for some of it.
 

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I'm not going to give what the author wants and read that clickbait articlebbut it's insanely disrepectful to claim Real would only win in an alternate universe, even more to say right after the final.

Fine, further down the years you can look back at this campaign for them and say it wasn't their most dominant, but to say it right now just makes one seem bitter.
 

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Where were these articles when Arsenal robbed us of the FA Cup in 2005?
Oh my god I’d wiped that from my memory. That game pissed me off so much.

The list of journos who support them is very long. What annoys me even more is the ones who don't admit it. Years ago, I remember giving up on the Times podcast because 3/4 of the hosts were Liverpool fans.

I also have a theory that the ones who don't support them are scared to criticize them because their enormous online fanbase will attack them.
I’m not sure they’re too concerned about the fanbase, literally all the comments below are saying how shit the article is and not what they pay for (if they were concerned, it would theoretically work both ways). I think it’s more that they’ve all bought the Klopp bullshit and after years and years of ABU, then City and Chelsea dark money, they all wank themselves silly that Liverpool are winning. Also, a polarising shit piece like that also generates clicks and shares hence it’s number one most read at the moment. (It’s such a bizarre article).

On another note - Real had a very tough run to the final granted. But was it harder than United in 99? Our group was disgusting, followed by playing Inter, Juve, Bayern. All unbeaten too.
 

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Question.

How many 3-on-2's and 2-on-1's did Real have in the 2nd half? Anyone know? Somehow they're not chances.
Exactly.
a weak shot from 30 yards is classed more of a chance than a player going through on goal but makes the wrong pass.

stats are so misleading !
 

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Well I won't be renewing my subscription of the athletic now! Didn't expect this shoddy journalism from them.
 

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The media bias towards them is absolutely shameless. This has definitely also translated to refereeing decisions and points in recent years.

How the hell can a ‘reputable’ subscription-based magazine print something so blatant and bitter? The narrative of the nation wanting Liverpool to win a quadruple is being relentlessly peddled left right and centre.

If I go on the guardian app there are 6-7 articles about the fans trouble absolving Liverpool and none about the actual game they just got beaten in, deflecting away anything which might show them up as failures.

I turned on national news this morning and you have a fan and even an MP wheeled out to complain about the Parisian authorities and event organisers, then a picture of the bus and gushing over how well behaved they were in Liverpool in their minor trophy parade. Again nothing about the game they just lost.

It’s going to be difficult to try and fight our way back, against the tide of bias running right across the country.
 

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Question.

How many 3-on-2's and 2-on-1's did Real have in the 2nd half? Anyone know? Somehow they're not chances.
I think that's the problem with journalists like Muller who place their entire intepretation on the xg. Firstly it's not a perfect measure as it doesn't capture those sorts of chances. And secondly it doesn't reflect the match dynamics of a knockout tie. Time and time again in knockout football we see one team progress with a lower xg because they know how to manage the game better. For example, a manager will be happy to let the opposition's xg slowly build whilst waiting for the one big chance on the break. And then when holding a lead, will be happy to concede low xg chances because they know that the attacking team will over-commit and they'll have more chances on the break.

In Muller's defence I can see why he wants to jump in against the outcome bias that this Liverpool team aren't all that, because they could easily have won that game too, but I'd imagine people who pay to read about the final want a more nuanced analysis than his hysterical take.
 

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I love the way Real Madrid actually won the final. It leaves such a bitter taste for all those supporting Liverpool to the point where a dumbass article like that is published :lol:
 

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One of the most embarrassing articles I've read. And the Athletic have the audacity to charge people for this shit?
It's by far the worst article I've ever read on the Athletic, and the comments on there are scathing as you would expect. I have no idea what he was trying to achieve with it.

I do like the site though. I only pay £1 a month and it's well worth it IMO. I wouldn't judge the Athletic based on this one thing
 

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Balderdash ‘’journalism’’.

People pay money to read this shameless, biased tripe?



Real Madrid scored 2 goals, but let’s not let facts get in the way of Scouse logic.

John Muller is a clown, pass it on.
They is the most embarrassing pile of shite I think I've ever read.
 

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Has to be an investigation into the result,Madrids goal posts were too big,Courtois was allowed to use both hands and Madrid player blatantly coughed near Salah without a penalty being given,disgraceful
 

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Knew The Athletic was a hack publication. Post final journalism is really highlighting how ingrained Liverpool is in the British media. I've never seen such a ridiculous headline before.
Yeah i think the same, there’s something suspicious about their recent articles especially the ones suggesting about changing the rules of the game. Example, Injury time rules, penalties to be similar to that of American football and some more…
 

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Just like Klopp thinks about it, how dare Liverpool opponents play in the way that stops them scoring goals and winning, how dare Ancelotti put the team in the way it benefits them instead of letting Liverpool tear them a new one. Not to mention Curtois, the cheek of saving all those shots of the best team ever to grace the plant Earth.

Can't wait till we get back on top, all this Liverpool loving media will go crazy.
 

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I went to see if Jimmy Liddel (the deluded scouse commentator) did a vid of the final but he seems to be promoting some lass' onlyfans these days. Very strange direction he's taken.
 

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I think that's the problem with journalists like Muller who place their entire intepretation on the xg. Firstly it's not a perfect measure as it doesn't capture those sorts of chances. And secondly it doesn't reflect the match dynamics of a knockout tie. Time and time again in knockout football we see one team progress with a lower xg because they know how to manage the game better. For example, a manager will be happy to let the opposition's xg slowly build whilst waiting for the one big chance on the break. And then when holding a lead, will be happy to concede low xg chances because they know that the attacking team will over-commit and they'll have more chances on the break.

In Muller's defence I can see why he wants to jump in against the outcome bias that this Liverpool team aren't all that, because they could easily have won that game too, but I'd imagine people who pay to read about the final want a more nuanced analysis than his hysterical take.
Errr.....not sure about the part in bold, Liverpool really couldn't have "easily" won the final, there is simply nothing to base that upon.
 

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Errr.....not sure about the part in bold, Liverpool really couldn't have "easily" won the final, there is simply nothing to base that upon.
It's like saying Bayern could have easily won in '99, but they didn't because they only scored one goal and we scored two. Somebody needs to explain to him that it isn't a boxing match, you cannot win on points. Goals are what matter.
 

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Errr.....not sure about the part in bold, Liverpool really couldn't have "easily" won the final, there is simply nothing to base that upon.
They had some big chances - two wonder saves from Courtois against Mane and Salah, Trent and Keita ballooning over the bar from great unpressured positions inside the box.
 

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Normally you would say "in alternate reality...." and follow it up with a scenario that didn't happen in real life whereas this headline is about something that happened in real life that should happen in alternate reality.
Is he a special kind of stupid or what?
 

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They had some big chances - two wonder saves from Courtois against Mane and Salah, Trent and Keita ballooning over the bar from great unpressured positions inside the box.
So a goalkeeper does what he gets paid to do, and that means Liverpool could have won?

Sorry, I disagree, Liverpool couldn't have won, there is simply no basis to think thst after watching the game.

Real Madrid players all did their jobs, and Liverpool's didn't.
 

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They had some big chances - two wonder saves from Courtois against Mane and Salah, Trent and Keita ballooning over the bar from great unpressured positions inside the box.
One wonder save and a decent save...the others weren’t guilt edged chances by any means. Real also had a perfectly good goal ruled out and more chances on the break second half. Liverpool were the better side but I liken it to our own run in the CL in 99. We didn’t play well in the final (for a number of reasons) but no one would begrudge us the trophy due to our opponents on the way to that final and how well we did domestically. Reall have won their league when everyone wrote them off and have beaten arguably the 4 best teams in the world to win the CL. Liverpool bottled it. No other word for it. There were poor performances from them all over the park.
 

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So a goalkeeper does what he gets paid to do, and that means Liverpool could have won?

Sorry, I disagree, Liverpool couldn't have won, there is simply no basis to think thst after watching the game.

Real Madrid players all did their jobs, and Liverpool's didn't.
Ergo no team could ever have won a game, they either did or didn't.
 

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One wonder save and a decent save...the others weren’t guilt edged chances by any means. Real also had a perfectly good goal ruled out and more chances on the break second half. Liverpool were the better side but I liken it to our own run in the CL in 99. We didn’t play well in the final (for a number of reasons) but no one would begrudge us the trophy due to our opponents on the way to that final and how well we did domestically. Reall have won their league when everyone wrote them off and have beaten arguably the 4 best teams in the world to win the CL. Liverpool bottled it. No other word for it. There were poor performances from them all over the park.
I agree with all of that.

I don't think it changes what I wrote, which is Liverpool could have won the game. If you compare it to the Bayern game in 1999, it was pretty clear Bayern could have won that game.
 

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I love the way Real Madrid actually won the final. It leaves such a bitter taste for all those supporting Liverpool to the point where a dumbass article like that is published :lol:
During the match I really wanted that contentious “offside” goal to be the winning goal of the game. The seething from the Liverpool fans would have been glorious.
 

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I agree with all of that.

I don't think it changes what I wrote, which is Liverpool could have won the game. If you compare it to the Bayern game in 1999, it was pretty clear Bayern could have won that game.
Vastly different to 99 in 99 Bayern had some really chances, and really could and should have score more than one.

Liverpool didn't even score a single goal, nevermind, have that many if any overly good chances.

Real Madrid rightly were the better team on the night, and they deserved to win the trophy.

Liverpool were very poor on the night.
 

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Balderdash ‘’journalism’’.

People pay money to read this shameless, biased tripe?



Real Madrid scored 2 goals, but let’s not let facts get in the way of Scouse logic.

John Muller is a clown, pass it on.
I remember Chelsea beating Barcelona after essentially stacking 11 people on top of each other and blocking the goal for most of the game.