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Give it DDG.
Clearly Ronaldo divides the camp. We don’t need that next season.
Clearly Ronaldo divides the camp. We don’t need that next season.
I reckon it would be the latter and it could be a weight off his shoulders. If he's not captain he can just get on with doing his job as CB with the spotlight on the other bigger players. Imagine being Harry Maguire coming from Leicester, he's never won a thing and he has to try and be the captain giving advice to players like Ronaldo and Varane, hell even the poorer ones like Rashford, Shaw etc have won more and have more experience on the bigger stage than him.Ronaldo or DDG next season, it's quite a simple choice given the lack of options.
I suppose the hardest bit is taking it off Maguire, not because he deserves to have it, but because unless he's being sold we've got to try and get a tune out of him somehow. Stripping him of the captaincy could be pretty demotivating, although if I was him I'd be glad of a little relief from some of the scrutiny.
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When I look at captains I look for inspiration and leadership. Keane, maldini, ramos, xavi, chiellini etc, heck even hendersonGive it DDG.
Clearly Ronaldo divides the camp. We don’t need that next season.
feck off with that logic.Unless Maguire is a really despised or divisive figure in the dressing room, or ETH really has plans to drop him from the starting lineup, both of which I doubt, why not leave it with Maguire? I don’t see the point of taking it off him just because he’s unpopular with fans.
Roy Keane was signed in 1993, but didn't become captain until 1997. I don't think new signings will have any major influence on who is team captain. In fact it makes more sense that the captain be someone who has been at the club for more than 5 minutes. DDG is the natural/likely choice, and I don't think a new signing changes that unless DDG is completely dropped.If the players are going to choose then when is the decision going to be made? Will the squad get chance to see what sort of character new signings might have, or who the manager is picking each week?
Imagine voting to give it to DDG then we sign the next Roy Keane on transfer deadline day, or EtH prefers a keeper that comes off his line etc so DDG doesn't play that often (unlikely this season I must admit).
I'd hold the vote a couple of months into the season, I'd even wait a couple of months if I was EtH and making the choice myself, and just give it to the most senior player in the 11 each week.
Yeah fair point, although Keane came to a squad that included the likes of Robson and Bruce so we were certainly in no desperate need for a new captain. I agree though in retrospect, giving it to a new signing (immediately) isn't a good idea - no matter who it is really, they'd be better off not taking the extra pressure on top of being a new arrival. I would still think it best to wait and see what the settled first 11 might be, unless EtH is already certain he's going to go with De Gea nine times out of ten.Roy Keane was signed in 1993, but didn't become captain until 1997. I don't think new signings will have any major influence on who is team captain. In fact it makes more sense that the captain be someone who has been at the club for more than 5 minutes. DDG is the natural/likely choice, and I don't think a new signing changes that unless DDG is completely dropped.
Maybe Maguire doesn't want it? Maybe he is more comfortable as a regular member of the team than the figure that attracts all eyes?Unless Maguire is a really despised or divisive figure in the dressing room, or ETH really has plans to drop him from the starting lineup, both of which I doubt, why not leave it with Maguire? I don’t see the point of taking it off him just because he’s unpopular with fans.
I don't think Frenkie is captain material. He never captained Ajax under ETHFrenkie de Jong.
Probably answered your own question in the scenarios you doubted. Very possible Maguire may not be an important figure under ETH. Between this and signing a new CB I think Maguire could be the one to lose.Unless Maguire is a really despised or divisive figure in the dressing room, or ETH really has plans to drop him from the starting lineup, both of which I doubt, why not leave it with Maguire? I don’t see the point of taking it off him just because he’s unpopular with fans.
You couldn't think of worse candidates than De Gea or Ronaldo yet have no problem keeping it with Maguire?? Some logic therePlease god not Ronaldo or De gea, we really don't need to feel anymore pressure to have to pick the over the hill GOAT or the mute GK who never leaves his goal line.
There is no reason to take it off maguire unless he no longer commands the respect of the squad or ETH really dosent plan on playing him. And if either of those are true I honestly couldn't think of two worse candidates than Ronaldo or De gea.
How do you know what happens behind closed doors? Maguire's billy big boy routine looks good on camera, but I remain unconvinced.Please god not Ronaldo or De gea, we really don't need to feel anymore pressure to have to pick the over the hill GOAT or the mute GK who never leaves his goal line.
There is no reason to take it off maguire unless he no longer commands the respect of the squad or ETH really dosent plan on playing him. And if either of those are true I honestly couldn't think of two worse candidates than Ronaldo or De gea.
Yup that’s another reason to make a change.Maybe Maguire doesn't want it? Maybe he is more comfortable as a regular member of the team more than the figure that attracts all eyes?
Unless we buy two centre backs I can’t see how Maguire isn’t going to be an important figure, at least for next season. Varane is hopelessly injury-prone, and Lindelöf is not any better than ok.Probably answered your own question in the scenarios you doubted. Very possible Maguire may not be an important figure under ETH. Between this and signing a new CB I think Maguire could be the one to lose.
One is a massive whinger and hugely selfish/individualistic and will be here one year max and hopefully not as a guaranteed starter.You couldn't think of worse candidates than De Gea or Ronaldo yet have no problem keeping it with Maguire?? Some logic there
How do you know that?One is a massive whinger and hugely selfish/individualistic and will be here one year max and hopefully not as a guaranteed starter.
And the other one is a mute who is more of a negative drag on the team than any other regular starter who likes to throw his teammates under the bus in post match interviews.
Maguire is solid teamplayer and professional who is a much more natural leader than either de gea or Ronaldo, the only reason his posistion and capatanciy is under threat is because he had a bad season, de gea had 3 bad seasons in a row before this one, and Ronaldo was wildly inconsistent.
I don't know it per se. But its how I read him so to speak, the way he comes across with his actions on and off the pitch that are public knowledge.How do you know that?
Not a terrible idea given we have no good options. Unless we simply buy that leader.A captain should ideally be a good performer and an inspiration. Maguire fails on both accounts. I say just rotate the band. Nobody is an obvious pick.
I guess backing up a crock is also important, as are all backups but was thinking automatic starter. Starting competition is enough to relegate someone to the bench for 20-40 games.Unless we buy two centre backs I can’t see how Maguire isn’t going to be an important figure, at least for next season. Varane is hopelessly injury-prone, and Lindelöf is not any better than ok.
But yes, there are potentially good reasons why the captaincy might change. @JPRouve just mentioned another: Maguire might actually be glad to be rid of the burden. I just feel that a lot of individual players’ fan clubs are getting excessively giddy about the possibility of their boy getting the captaincy
That's fine. In a team filled with temperamental firecrackers it's probably a good idea to have a respected, calmer voice resonate.When I look at captains I look for inspiration and leadership. Keane, maldini, ramos, xavi, chiellini etc, heck even henderson
I just don’t see that in DDG.
He was vice captain. He was the captain under the CL finale in '99 etcThis. Given that Peter Schmeichel never (as far as I recall) wore the armband and you could hearing him shout over a 70,000 crowd, there's no good reason to give it to a mouse by comparison...