Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

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It’s more for the integrity of the thread. You can’t really argue against the effects of such allowance when this was a cornerstone of Russian online strategy for the past decade imo.
I would agree that @Paxi offers little to the discussion and seems to go on an occasional drunken defense of his country but @DT12 offers a different view. I don't agree/like all he says but I don't feel he is derailing the thread.
 

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Why would we want to have DT12 banned? He does believe that Russia will win, so what? Time will tell, but I have no doubts that Ukraine is winning this. Russian economy and army are suffering badly already and the worst is yet to come.
Water Melon are you from Ukraine or was it a nearby country?
 

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What does this mean? I laughed when I read it, but I have no idea what it could ever mean. Is Russia going to invade Alaska?
Putin has had enough and is sending 10 men and 3 tanks towards the Golden Gate Bridge on a tugboat

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Why would we want to have DT12 banned? He does believe that Russia will win, so what? Time will tell, but I have no doubts that Ukraine is winning this. Russian economy and army are suffering badly already and the worst is yet to come.
I don't want to to see @DT12 banned either, even tho' he seems keen to push many aspects of the Kremlin narrative. Besides, I want to see what he/she has to say when Russia fails to reach the military objectives he cited, within the times-scales cited, if ever.
 
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What does this mean? I laughed when I read it, but I have no idea what it could ever mean. Is Russia going to invade Alaska?
Alaska comes later. According to some of their State TV pundits, Russia now aims to de-nazify NATO after they've done with Ukraine.
 

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Ukraine now has more troops on the front than Russia.

US and allies are running out of some of the things they want to send, however. They don't want to strip their own forces as Russia might be heading their way. From Zeihan.
We may be running low on surplus supplies, but it has nothing to do with fearing Russia “coming our way”.

Supplies for the Army are irrelevant, because they wouldn’t make it through the Navy and Air Force.
 

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Ukraine now has more troops on the front than Russia.

US and allies are running out of some of the things they want to send, however. They don't want to strip their own forces as Russia might be heading their way. From Zeihan.
We’ll be just fine.
 

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Ukraine now has more troops on the front than Russia.

US and allies are running out of some of the things they want to send, however. They don't want to strip their own forces as Russia might be heading their way. From Zeihan.
Yeah, because even here in England, we'd so, so be terrified of Russia coming our way, such is the embarrassing performance of Russias military performance, let alone joined with America. We'd wipe you out in days, just the USA & UK, never mind the rest of NATO.

Self awareness isn't Russia's strong point, the damage caused internationally by Russuas army in this war has destroyed any mythical prowess the Russian Federation had, and the UK has had the Tories killing he defence force for nearly 20 years.
 

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Catching up.

That is my top reason why I see justification for Ukraine to be given thse precision-guided missiles that can fly 500 km. Ukrainian forces could fire such missiles with the HIMARS from the Kyiv Oblast and then destroy those enemy artillery pieces, which are a nuisance.

A ratcheting up of pressure, especially on African nations who have done absolutely nothing but rely heavily on Ukrainian grain.
After that attack on the grain export terminal, this is where I wish Ukraine had one or two submarines in their inventory so they can sink anything that floats with the enemy flag.

If that incident doesn't push African nations and India to publicly turn their backs on Russia in protest, then I no longer know what else to say about them.
 

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We may be running low on surplus supplies, but it has nothing to do with fearing Russia “coming our way”.

Supplies for the Army are irrelevant, because they wouldn’t make it through the Navy and Air Force.
Countries like Poland and Germany are reluctant to send supplies they have marked for their troops, leaving them without what they would need to defend themselves.
 

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I’ve learned not to get too excited over these things, but combined with action in the south these past few days feel like a highly significant turning point.
Don't think ukrainians are trying to wrestle the city back from russians, they're just inflicting as much damage to them as possible by luring them into a trap. That means, russians can not be backed by scorching artillery and air support, its more of an infantry fight. Russians likely will retreat and then start doing what they do best, destroying everything before moving back in.
 

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And yet another Russian general dead - number 14:

I won't post the twitter link because it contains a graphic image, but the text says:

"Viktor Kovalenko @MrKovalenko (40.4k followers) 2h (June 5th):

"UPDATE. WARNING! GRAPHIC PHOTO. - The @InformNapalm intel community & Russian social media confirm that the killed today Russian General is Roman Kutuzov. He failed to led Russian troops and cut the major supply road btw Bakhmut & #Lisichansk in Luhansk province, eastern #Ukraine"
 

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Yeah, because even here in England, we'd so, so be terrified of Russia coming our way, such is the embarrassing performance of Russias military performance, let alone joined with America. We'd wipe you out in days, just the USA & UK, never mind the rest of NATO.

Self awareness isn't Russia's strong point, the damage caused internationally by Russuas army in this war has destroyed any mythical prowess the Russian Federation had, and the UK has had the Tories killing he defence force for nearly 20 years.
The US and UK would do very well in a war against me because I don’t have any heavy equipment or soldiers besides myself. Or did you think I’m Russian and you’re referring to “you” as “me and my fellow Russians”?

It makes sense to me that a country wouldn’t want to strip its own forces of supplies to send them to Ukraine. Might be the right thing to do, but surely anyone wold be reluctant.

The UK has nothing to fear from Russia, I would think they could send everything and not worry about being able to replace it right away.
 

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Simply the best video i have watched for the reasons behind the conflict.

I feel like he’s a bit lost in his methodology. There’s no doubt that gas & oil plays an enormous part in Putin’s decision-making and from that perspective the video is spot on, but if you look strictly from an economical point of view, this war doesn’t really makes sense. Even leaving aside the actual direct cost of the war, Russian economy has taken an enormous hit (that isn’t even remotely close to being compensated by the rise of oil, gas & grain prices) and we’ve only began to see the first signs of the actual damage. Not to mention that he had lost its biggest market — maybe not short-term but certainly mid-to-long term, including the freshly-build North Stream 2.
 

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Yeah free speech and democracy is a bitch when it doesn't swing our way.
You don’t have to debate and disprove, or even welcome, every bit of disinformation or propaganda just to uphold free speech and democracy.
 

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And yet another Russian general dead - number 14:

I won't post the twitter link because it contains a graphic image, but the text says:

"Viktor Kovalenko @MrKovalenko (40.4k followers) 2h (June 5th):

"UPDATE. WARNING! GRAPHIC PHOTO. - The @InformNapalm intel community & Russian social media confirm that the killed today Russian General is Roman Kutuzov. He failed to led Russian troops and cut the major supply road btw Bakhmut & #Lisichansk in Luhansk province, eastern #Ukraine"
Pretty sure US intelligence has GPS chips sewed in all the russian general's underwears. They seem to know where they all are.
 

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Yeah free speech and democracy is a bitch when it doesn't swing our way.
Not sure if it's free speech and democracy when you have a guy on here who sees pictures and videos on genocidal war featuring dead people on the street, raped women, murdered kids and asks "proof?". Especially with many people here who know, or are related to, Ukrainians. What DT is saying is debatable, what Paxi said should get you banned from the thread for good.
 

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Not sure if it's free speech and democracy when you have a guy on here who sees pictures and videos on genocidal war featuring dead people on the street, raped women, murdered kids and asks "proof?". Especially with many people here who know, or are related to, Ukrainians. What DT is saying is debatable, what Paxi said should get you banned from the thread for good.
My reply was concerning the poster bringing up Brexit and Trump as examples.
 

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Mark Hertling really cracked me up with that anecdote in his daily thread. Gotta admit that he's right though: the Russian military have been pretty much in "Leeeeeeeeroy Jenkins" mode.
 

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I don't want to to see @DT12 banned either, even tho' he seems keen to push many aspects of the Kremlin narrative. Besides, I want to see what he/she has to say when Russia fails to reach the military objectives he cited, within the times-scales cited, if ever.
He might get on a plane to India and deny us all the pleasure.
 

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I feel like he’s a bit lost in his methodology. There’s no doubt that gas & oil plays an enormous part in Putin’s decision-making and from that perspective the video is spot on, but if you look strictly from an economical point of view, this war doesn’t really makes sense. Even leaving aside the actual direct cost of the war, Russian economy has taken an enormous hit (that isn’t even remotely close to being compensated by the rise of oil, gas & grain prices) and we’ve only began to see the first signs of the actual damage. Not to mention that he had lost its biggest market — maybe not short-term but certainly mid-to-long term, including the freshly-build North Stream 2.
Theres no doubt him and his inner circle made a huge miscalculation on the length of the war and the resistance they would face. I guess they thought taking ukraine would be easier than it has been. They would then control the second largest oil and gas deposits in europe and remove ukraine as a potential thorn in their side when it comes to selling oil and gas to the european block.

Or as the unfounded speculation has mentioned. He's on a one way ticket to rewrite history, claim back as much of former ussr lands as he can before his blood cancer kills him.