June internationals (WC qualifiers and Nations League)

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1-1 is fair here, England miles better in second half.

Germany got a more youthful look about them now compared to euros so will probably have a deep run in the world cup.
 

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I don't understand why that's not offside but the Benzema goal in the UCL final was.
 

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Neither team is going to do too much at the World Cup. Germany still in a bit of rebuilding stage and England are overrated.
 

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Always surprising how few know the rules for such things.



e.g. Kane wasn't offside because he didn't touch or attempt to touch the ball. Offside isn't applicable until he does. He was fouled before then.

If you think about it, it's not like you can go full carnage on a player just because he's offside and get away with it. Foul is a foul
how can the foul happen before the offside if you acknowledge a player is in an offside position?
 

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Always surprising how few know the rules for such things.



e.g. Kane wasn't offside because he didn't touch or attempt to touch the ball. Offside isn't applicable until he does. He was fouled before then.

If you think about it, it's not like you can go full carnage on a player just because he's offside and get away with it. Foul is a foul
He didn't attempt to touch the ball? What was the thing he was chasing after then?

I think rather than that rule being the one they've used to give the penalty, it's more likely that they've deemed the touch from the Germany player as intentional thus Kane could never have been offside anyway.
 

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Why the feck was Pickford time wasting? England looked the likelier winner with Grealish and Bowen coming off the wings. Very poor mentality.
 

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Wasn't dangerous/violent play so offside would come first

He wasn't judged offside
Yeah but if he doesn’t get there then is it offside? Maybe the foul means a new phase of play before Kane can be offside?
It’s a strange one
 

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I dont't understand why Flick keeps persisting with Werner. Might as well play Julian Brandt, he at least gets it right sometimes..
 

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The first half was pretty appalling but I think England should be happy with large parts of the second. Southgate should be less conservative with subs, they made a huge difference.
 

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Always surprising how few know the rules for such things.



e.g. Kane wasn't offside because he didn't touch or attempt to touch the ball. Offside isn't applicable until he does. He was fouled before then.

If you think about it, it's not like you can go full carnage on a player just because he's offside and get away with it. Foul is a foul
But he’s only in a position to be fouled because he’s offside. The offside position affects the defenders decisions cos they don’t know not to make a challenge. That rule is ridiculous.
 

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how can the foul happen before the offside if you acknowledge a player is in an offside position?
He didn't attempt to touch the ball? What was the thing he was chasing after then?

I think rather than that rule being the one they've used to give the penalty, it's more likely that they've deemed the touch from the Germany player as intentional thus Kane could never have been offside anyway.
To reiterate, a player isn't offside until he actually touches or attempts to touch the ball. Chasing after it isn't the same thing. Being in an offside position isn't an offence in the rules of the game.

https://www.thefa.com/football-rule...wards the,occurred before the offside offence
It is not an offence to be in an offside position.
To query again - do you believe that you can wipe a player out and get away with it just because they were in an offside position?
(e.g. not yet 'offside', but in an offside position)
 

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Why the feck was Pickford time wasting? England looked the likelier winner with Grealish and Bowen coming off the wings. Very poor mentality.
Thinks he's playing for Everton still. Was doing it before half time too.

Instead of trying to win the game.
 

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He was underwhelming at City but Grealish really should start. With Foden not being selected how do you not start Grealish?

He came on and was the best attacker on the pitch. England should have won.
 

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Bit fortunate that the Germany defence had a mare with the penalty but thought it was a much improved display from England and were good value for the point. Grealish really did make the difference when he came on.
 

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People saying was a jammy penalty, you're not wrong. But we got fecking southgate as boss we deserve a bit of luck tbh.
 

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To reiterate, a player isn't offside until he actually touches or attempts to touch the ball. Chasing after it isn't the same thing. Being in an offside position isn't an offence in the rules of the game.

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside#:~:text=a player in an offside position is moving towards the,occurred before the offside offence


To query again - do you believe that you can wipe a player out and get away with it just because they were in an offside position?
(e.g. not yet 'offside', but in an offside position)
No but I've seen it happen plenty of times tbf. Doesn't mean the ref can't penalise someone if they just blatantly hack someone with no attempt to play the ball because they know the guy if offside.

The rules are stupid. Running onto a ball = not an attempt to play a ball? Makes sense.
 

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Good game this, I know Southgate deservedly gets stick from England fans but he made the right subs, still miss historical Germany strikers though, don’t they produce quality players in that position on their Academies?
 

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He was underwhelming at City but Grealish really should start. With Foden not being selected how do you not start Grealish?

He came on and was the best attacker on the pitch. England should have won.
Fecking mount! If Grealish was player of the year he still wouldn't start for southgate.