And yet there are for some unfathomable reasons, a lot of people that put her on a high pedestal.
This decision is her fault, she deserves to be hated as much as Trump is.
Abortion
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This decision is her fault, she deserves to be hated as much as Trump is.
All thats going to happen is that there will be more and more dangerous "illegal" abortions putting the health of women at risk. Its a awful decision to revoke wade v roe.
Fair enough. Now that this will impact states own people I am hopeful of a change from within. I'd also hope clinics in free states fund volunteer bus services or something.
Can't be long until slavery is brought back...
Just a really, really, horrible decision this.
Just a really, really, horrible decision this.
Is things continue on this road of lunacy, the country will split.
Wrong on A, right on B
States fun transportation services for a bunch of social services all the time even now with these current prices. States spend a lot of money on a lot of things. Where I live, the tax revenue is very high so there is cash for it.
In theory, yes.
Ignores the fact that not everyone has the financial means to just hop across state lines, that for some/many of these people, their ultimate end goal is not to just overturn in their states but eventually ban it nationwide and I wouldn't be surprised if some states attempting to criminalise getting an abortion in a different state.
Liberals and conservatives seem to be playing a different game here and the liberals have been sleep walking into this for years.
RBG is a fecking idiot as well.
Republican senator Susan Collins supported justices Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh during the confirmation hearings and repeatedly reassured the public that they would not vote to overturn Roe v Wade. But both men joined in today’s opinion doing just that, and now the Maine lawmaker says she was duped.
“This decision is inconsistent with what Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh said in their testimony and their meetings with me, where they both were insistent on the importance of supporting long-standing precedents that the country has relied upon,” Collins said.
She elaborated further on her thoughts regarding the decision:
“Our goal with this legislation is to do what the Court should have done — provide the consistency in our abortion laws that Americans have relied upon for 50 years,” Collins said.
“This decision is inconsistent with what Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh said in their testimony and their meetings with me, where they both were insistent on the importance of supporting long-standing precedents that the country has relied upon,” Collins said.
She elaborated further on her thoughts regarding the decision:
Collins noted she supported legislation that would codify the rights previously established by Roe v Wade into law, though its unclear if such legislation would win enough support from her Republican colleagues to make it through the senate.
“Our goal with this legislation is to do what the Court should have done — provide the consistency in our abortion laws that Americans have relied upon for 50 years,” Collins said.
American leaders losing their minds yet again
shocking ruling, anyone for banning aborting is literally a See You Next Tuesday
shocking ruling, anyone for banning aborting is literally a See You Next Tuesday
So The Handmaid's Tale was a feckin prophecy?
The leader of the free world.
Absolutely disgusting.
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This is what is worrying. Usually the Court holds back the most controversial judgments until the very end. This seems to imply they will do more damage with the cases that are left!
Collins can feck all the way off.
Have protests been planned? I mean, this is huge.
Any idea which issues these relate to?
Every sane person, even relatively sane person, should be massively protesting all across America
Let us take the other tack. The solution is voting. You have to vote for Democrats, who as a party respect the sanctity of institutions, so that the ideological balance of the court is changed.
The current court is 6-3. The conservatives can afford one death with no problem. The oldest conservatives are 74 and 72. Rich people with good healthcare in a first world country have at least 10 years more. So, you have to hope for 2 deaths in the next 10 years in a rather special set of circumstances.
1. You have to hope the Republicans never get the senate+president combination once in the next 10 years. That is unlikely, bordering on impossible, given current numbers and recent history (it has happened 10 out of the last 22 years). If it happens even once, they retire then and the plan has failed. Abortion remains illegal for at least 40ish years.
2. Let's assume, breaking all previous political logic, that the Republicans never win the senate+prez combination for the next 10 years in a row. Now, the actuarial tables smile upon you and both die. Let us hope the Dems have unified control (senate+prez) at this time, something that has happened for 4 out of the last 24 years. You act more effectively than any Dem since LBJ and get 2 replacements. These replacement Dem judges - who are all institutionalists by temperament - will now hear a case, thrown out (and hence delayed) by every level of lower court, about lack of access to abortion. Note that if the delay is long enough and the child is born, the case never gets heard. So you hope you get the perfect woman, who knows very early that she has a baby but does want to abort it, and her case reaches the court and its 5 Democrats. These Dem institutionalist judges now have to overturn precedent (Dodds 2022) and again find a right to abortion.
I don't know the probability of all these things falling into place. I'd guess substantially less than 1%. It is 4% just for going the GOP never get the Senate+presidency, and that's without taking into account the democrat and death probabilities.
I think a cyclical legality of abortion and gun control, with them being illegal for the majority but legal for a substantial minority of the future (which would be the result of court-packing, since the law would just reflect the elected senate/prez of that moment), is a better outcome than praying for a very implausible series of events.
Of course, for the same reasons that they haven't done anything about abortion in the many years of rule they've had since Roe v Wade, the Dems won't even consider something like court packing.
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I think:
- Federal Government giving migrants protections
- Prayer in public schools
- scope of the war powers clause
- to what extent can the EPA tell states to act/combat climate change etc?
It also makes sense that they would release this obviously controversial verdict on a Friday instead of on a Monday.
Her retiring would have made the current court 5-4 conservative. Still a strong possibility Roe would still have been overturned.
She deserves some blame, but it ain’t all on her.
On the other hand, people are free from work and can join potential street protests?
There’s no way something is more controversial than this. They deliberately put this decision out on a Friday to hopefully soften the outrage.
So two SCJs lied under oath? Could that be an impeachable offence?
Already starting on a smaller scale. Just walked through the park in downtown Savannah & there was a group of women beginning to try to register people to vote, handing out fliers, etc.
No doubt more will pop up organically around the country.
To Americans… wasn’t this a constitutional right?
I could see a no, yes, toss up, feck off EPA.
So basically the American Supreme court will keep belting out insane right wing laws until enough of the judges die?
America is fecked.
America is fecked.
Oh bitch please
Yeah you (and others) are probably right. I am overthinking it.
Will this end any hope the Republicans had in winning the 2024 presidential election?
Today’s abortion ruling might not have happened without Donald Trump. During his time in office, the Republican president appointed three of the conservative justices who voted to overturn Roe v Wade.
But as the New York Times reports, Trump is apparently not a fan of what the justices have handed down. Ever since a draft opinion of the court’s decision leaked last month, he’s worried about what it will mean for the support of voters who were decisive in his election loss in 2020, and who he would need to turn to should he run again in 2024.
From the report:
Privately, Mr. Trump has told people repeatedly that he believes it will be “bad for Republicans.”
The decision, Mr. Trump has told friends and advisers, will anger suburban women, a group who helped tilt the 2020 presidential race to Joseph R. Biden Jr., and will lead to a backlash against Republicans in the November midterm elections.
His advisers had encouraged Mr. Trump to keep quiet about the issue until a ruling was issued, in part to ensure he was not accused of trying to influence the decision. Still, the contrast between Mr. Trump and conservatives who have heralded the decision and who worked in his administration, such as former Vice President Mike Pence, has been striking. On Friday morning, Mr. Pence issued a statement saying, “Life won,” as he called for abortion opponents to keep fighting “in every state in the land.”
A spokesman for Mr. Trump did not immediately respond to a request for comment about his private remarks, or his view of the ruling. But in an interview that Fox News published after the decision on Friday, Mr. Trump, asked about his role, said, “God made the decision.” He said the decision was “following the Constitution, and giving rights back when they should have been given long ago.”
“I think, in the end, this is something that will work out for everybody,” Mr. Trump told Fox News.
But as the New York Times reports, Trump is apparently not a fan of what the justices have handed down. Ever since a draft opinion of the court’s decision leaked last month, he’s worried about what it will mean for the support of voters who were decisive in his election loss in 2020, and who he would need to turn to should he run again in 2024.
From the report:
Privately, Mr. Trump has told people repeatedly that he believes it will be “bad for Republicans.”
The decision, Mr. Trump has told friends and advisers, will anger suburban women, a group who helped tilt the 2020 presidential race to Joseph R. Biden Jr., and will lead to a backlash against Republicans in the November midterm elections.
His advisers had encouraged Mr. Trump to keep quiet about the issue until a ruling was issued, in part to ensure he was not accused of trying to influence the decision. Still, the contrast between Mr. Trump and conservatives who have heralded the decision and who worked in his administration, such as former Vice President Mike Pence, has been striking. On Friday morning, Mr. Pence issued a statement saying, “Life won,” as he called for abortion opponents to keep fighting “in every state in the land.”
A spokesman for Mr. Trump did not immediately respond to a request for comment about his private remarks, or his view of the ruling. But in an interview that Fox News published after the decision on Friday, Mr. Trump, asked about his role, said, “God made the decision.” He said the decision was “following the Constitution, and giving rights back when they should have been given long ago.”
“I think, in the end, this is something that will work out for everybody,” Mr. Trump told Fox News.
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I thought the continued protection (and extension) of gun rights was amazing. The SC just takes stupidity up another notch