Let’s be honest - the ETH experiment is either going to go swimmingly or be a total fecking disaster. When we inevitably get Antony too we’ll have spent around 160m quid on targets I don’t think would be here if it wasn’t for him - I don’t want to see anyone saying he hasn’t been backed.
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I expect the Antony deal will be dead if this one goes through. The fees suggested would be too much of a risk. Hopefully we've got an alternative in mind.
What I like about this guy is how good he is with the ball at his feet. His height might be an issue in the Premier league, but he really should improve our ability to play from the back. Looks press-resistant, strong in the tackle, good on the ball, a decent dribbler and a decent passer. He'll be an interesting addition I think, a bit of a risk, but interesting. So far the targets we've gone for (de Jong, Martinez and Malacia) all look very solid with the ball at their feet.
I think the first window was always going to be mainly ETH targets. 2nd and 3rd windows will hopefully be more of a considered approach by scouts + ETH's input.
I agree
ETH is our actual scout this summer because ours can’t be trusted and need to be improved.
i think the Antony deal is dead and that is why we've moved on to Martinez. As soon as that rumoured huge ~80 million Antony fee spread through the media, chatter dropped like a stone and slowly but surely Martinez picked up. Also doesn't shock me that it's looking like Martinez is going to cost around the same as initial Antony rumours (maybe a bit less). Feels like a very deliberate shift.
Given how we've operated in the window so far, I would not be surprised if we waited out Ajax on Antony. He clearly wants to leave, and the closer we get to the transfer window, the more pressure he might put on Ajax to let him for for a more sensible fee. It might end up not happening anyway, but I'm not so sure the deal is dead. It certainly won't be completed at the quoted price though, not with the way we're handling negotiations right now.
If you watch the video the majority of them were against Salah. It's a different kettle of fish winning ariel duels against Callum Wilson, Calvert Lewin etc...
Hasn’t for a while, last season he only played cb, so it would be surprising if he played dm.
I’m assuming you mean offensively, because I’m pretty sure there was stats of us conceding less goals from set pieces than most in the Premier League last season.
He’s injured so no need to get him yet. He’s outgrown the Dutch league - no chance he’s staying imo.
His physical strength and tenacity is impressive considering how much of a midget he is.
Will say it everytime. Our best CB in the post Fergie era.
Seems like our most likely CB signing at this point. I'm excited. Heres some of my posts about Lisandro Martinez as I've kept an eye on him and first saw him breakthrough in the Argentine league as an outstanding player
So if we do sign him and he turns out to be rubbish, I'll fully accept responsibility
On the other hand...
Perhaps not the perfect place to talk about this, but considering people were asking where Lautaro was found
I think the Superliga in Argentina is a very good market for us and other clubs to look at. When compared to Brazil for example, the young players doing well there are sold at around £30-40 million each which is a hefty amount for not so proven players. de Arrascaeta, Rodrigo and Reiner from Flamengo, Jean Pyerre and Everton from Gremio and Antony from Sao Paulo all look good players in the making but perhaps the prices will be set around the money paid for Neymar, Rodrygo, Vinicius, Lucas Moura or Paqueta - all costing from £33 million to £76 million
Meanwhile here are the highest transfers paid in Argentina :
A much lower price. Just below and off the list is Lo Celso who PSG bought for 10 million euros and sold to Betis for over double, then went on loan to Spurs this summer with a fee to buy (presumably a fair bit more than Betis paid) .
I also watched Lisandro Martinez in a few games last season, he was then bought by Ajax this summer and he's now making his name as their DM.
Consider that the current Copa Libertadores champions are River Plate, who just got back into the final against the league leaders in Brazil, Flamengo and its fair to say the best players in the Superliga are as good as the best players in Brazil. But the prices havent reflected that.
A couple of good places to start would be Nicolas De La Cruz and Exequiel Palacios from River Plate. Palacios has had his name linked with a big move or two, in particular to Real Madrid so he might be one with a bigger price tag.
I watched Arsenal Sarandi Vs. River Plate last week, and Arsenal Sarandi attacked well. Not so good with the defendingNicolas Giminez an attacking midfielder would be another to look at.
And Agustin Almendra might be worth keeping an eye on from Boca.
Given Romero is here, regardless of whether we can get rid of Rojo, that might help someone settle in if we were to use this market much like Inter did snapping up Lautaro Martinez for just 14 million euros in 2018
So if we do sign him and he turns out to be rubbish, I'll fully accept responsibility
On the other hand...ETH is also introducing a new style of play, if he can drop in 2 or 3 players who will be immediately comfortable with it, it will be a massive help.
Would certainly agree with Martinez and maybe Anthony. I really don't see how Martinez is better than what we currently have but hope I am completely wrong on that.
As for FDJ and Malacia, I think they would fit into most managers plans.
Credit to agent Ekeke.
Nice job!Seems like our most likely CB signing at this point. I'm excited. Heres some of my posts about Lisandro Martinez as I've kept an eye on him and first saw him breakthrough in the Argentine league as an outstanding player
So if we do sign him and he turns out to be rubbish, I'll fully accept responsibility
Would comfortably be the best passer at the club if he came in.. that’s saying something
No need. He's an upgrade on our 2 CBs no matter the pairing
Quick, someone phone Murtough and inform him that we found his new Argentina scout.Seems like our most likely CB signing at this point. I'm excited. Heres some of my posts about Lisandro Martinez as I've kept an eye on him and first saw him breakthrough in the Argentine league as an outstanding player
So if we do sign him and he turns out to be rubbish, I'll fully accept responsibility
Martinez is comfortably better and is left footed, and can also play DM.
For a posession team, ability on the ball he is comfortably better than anyone in the squad who plays his positions.
He is also an aggressive defender which we need
Do you think he can be a world class centre back for us?
2 main differences, speed and passing. Lisandro is fast across the floor and Heinze was absolutely not. Lisandro is a good enough passer to play in midfield while Heinze was almost exclusively about his tough tackles and strength in the air.
Not sure what your definition would be, but he can be the best combination of determined defending and ball playing from a CB. Might not be the highest tier of CB in terms of straight up defending. But no worse than the tier below that + top tier of ball playing.
him 178 cm vs Thiago Silva 183 cm
Well done. Hadn’t heard of him until he did a job on Haaland last seasonSeems like our most likely CB signing at this point. I'm excited. Heres some of my posts about Lisandro Martinez as I've kept an eye on him and first saw him breakthrough in the Argentine league as an outstanding player
So if we do sign him and he turns out to be rubbish, I'll fully accept responsibility
I know clearly much less than you about him but feels like the sort of signing Atletico would do before their value rockets. Hopefully it’s good business if it happens
The main thing with Timber is his age. He's not as good, but he's much younger so if he keeps improving then he could be the better player. But in terms of right now and the coming season or two the player you'd want for immediate success is Lisandro
I don't think Callum Wilson is anything spectacular in the air....Jota would be better and he is a similar size to Martinez
With some speed and a better leap, yes. He's that confident ball player with a wand of a left foot
Nice combination. Sounds promising. Thanks
This was in my youtube recconmendeds, thought it would be good because Nunez is a physical striker who is good in the air
There is not a chance we’d be signing Malacia if ETH wasn’t here and I doubt FDJ would come. I’m not criticising any of the signings individually - just saying if you look at all of them as a package along with ETH we’ve gone all in and the potential for it to be a proper disaster is high. All summer we’re going to hear pundits say we’ve signed from the Dutch league with a manager who has done nothing outside of Holland - “BUT THIS IS THE PREMIER LEAGUE JEFF!!!” Let’s hope they’re wrong but any talk of us having club targets and getting a manager to fit a DOF structure with data driven recruitment has proven to be utter bollocks. There’s no club scouting here - it’s a manager yet again dictating who we sign.
I don’t know much about this lad and apologies if I’ve missed it, but is there a chance he’s being brought in to play as DM?
Perhaps its an idea for some threads to have an FAQ sticky post or something
That would make a lot of sense, but you just know people would ignore it and still repeat the same points and questions
100%
Question the new manager because of one transfer you don't like? You can't be serious here.
Not saying he is going to be world beater with us, but he is definitely one of best CB in Dutch league, who has good experience and looks good at times in CL over past 3 season, who can also play in DM role.
And how do you come to conclusion that he gives the ball away needlessly, when he has far superior passing stats in CL last season vs our CB:
CL avg stat last season:
Martinez: 87.4 pass, 91.8% pass completion
Varane: 50.6 pass, 89.7% pass completion
Maguire: 58.5 pass, 87.5% pass completion
Don Murtough working this Saturday shift this weekend. Reckon this will be done today by the way things are going with it! Also Barca journos now coming to the fact that de Jong is off... love it!
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