And why this one got ignored like it's nothing?
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Don't understand this, mate - what do you mean by politicking? If the deal is done or is likely to be done, why would he give such a definitive statement about him not being sold? What does he have to gain?
100% this. Laporta has to make sure Barca looks tough in the press when in reality they’re negotiating a deal behind the scenes. There’s probably been a lot of blowback for agreeing such a low guaranteed fee when they reportedly demanded €100 million. A pathetic attempt to not look like a selling club.
This makes no sense. If it's done why say anything? Easiest thing to do would be to say that they are unveiling their new signings this week and that FDJ would be moving on. Nothing to gain in claiming he's not being sold.
So fans don't blame him for selling Frenkie if it happens.. can claim he wanted FdJ to stay but the wages made it a challenge and FdJ followed the money to United.
why would fans blame him, when Xavi the manager has been saying that FDJ's not wanted? While everyone and their dogs know that the CLub need to sell to buy new players.
I will rather be in United's position than Barca's every day and twice on sunday.
At worst this is them trying to get a few more millions considering they are having to pay more than they wanted for Raphina and Lewandowski
The problem with them (and most clubs in financial trouble) is the wages they commit to. FDJ is on high wages.. They need to move him on. Everyone knows this.
The problem with them (and most clubs in financial trouble) is the wages they commit to. FDJ is on high wages.. They need to move him on. Everyone knows this.
Or they’re forcing fdj to reduce his wages by playing out a move with us that’s never going to be done?
He would have to remove like €180k a week from his wage.
Imagine us trying that with DDG? I think the answer lies there.
How does it force FDJ to do anything?
He has a signed contract.. He can stay at Barca at his current wages and no one can do anything. They tried that shit with Dembele.. It didnt work.
Seems like he has much more to lose by declaring his intention to keep him, only to have him leave.
Not to forget that we had to play Young and Valencia as FBs for couple of years since we couldn't sort that one out. When we finally brought a RB we splashed 55 million on him. Our management is so bad it's ridiculous.
He gains by causing you and everyone else to panic.
Not to mention denying that he will be getting a massive 80m euro fee. Which bayern obviously realise.
I've been to the museum and I am very well aware of our fantastic history. But I'm thinking players tend to think of the future of a club rather than the history. Did Aguero, Silva etc join City for their history?
You have a fair point. Maybe I'm just focusing too much on last season and those many terrible performances we put in are sticking in my head too much. Chelsea still feel for me though a bit ahead. Won the europa in 2019, Champions League 2021 (anomaly or not) and reached the FA cup final 3 years running (Yes I know they lost all three but at least they got there). I certainly wouldn't blame De Jong for picking them over us.
I think they can sign them but they won't be able to register them if there isn't space in the wage cap that the spanish clubs have to abide by.
Add Raphina and Lewandowski to those 2 players and Laporte will have 2 produce a miracle if he thinks he can keep FDJ,that would have to be a ridiculous pay cut.
Different situations. Dembele was looking for a bigger contract and ran down his previous contract. FDJ has plenty years left.
How are FDJs wages so high that they need to sell him and to sign Lewandowski and Rafinha ?
The total transfer fee for the 2 is likely above what we would pay for FDG anyway so I don’t see how these 3 transactions leave them in better financial situation
The total transfer fee for the 2 is likely above what we would pay for FDG anyway so I don’t see how these 3 transactions leave them in better financial situation
That doesn’t explain how it’s different in a positive way for Barca?
Yeah but with the way fdj is being treated, he should’ve already handed a transfer request to force a move to us who are waiting desperately for months now. But, he always said that he loves to stay there and it’s his dream.
They can't do anything no player is taking a substantial paycut on their existing contract to stay at Barca that's just Propaganda most they have done is deferment of part of wages but they still need to pay that eventually .
They save £20m in wages selling De Jong plus the fixed fee on £56m we are giving upfront.
That’s around £76m then the additional achievable addons which will probably mature at the end of the season. Gives them close to £100m.
That’s how it benefits them.
They will owe him a loyalty bonus if he doesn’t do the things you speak off.
Would you miss out on that?
Paying Rafinha and Lewandowski including their transfers should cost around 100 million too.
They aren’t desperate for striker either since they have Depay and Auba.
Sounds more like hope than anything else. Barca might have enough money with these levers and dont need to sell him. Anyhow, I hope we have a plan B for once
So how do they do all that and keep De Jong? Plus factoring they still owe him wages they differed last season?
Depay is probably going and I mean it’s there choice to get Lewa not mine.
Let’s assume for a second that Laporta is telling the truth (
) … where are they getting the sudden influx of cash from to bid for Raphinha and Lewandowski?
This is happening and they’re just tightening the screw on the negotiations..
) … where are they getting the sudden influx of cash from to bid for Raphinha and Lewandowski?This is happening and they’re just tightening the screw on the negotiations..
They also still have to register the Klessie and someone else but forget whoLet’s assume for a second that Laporta is telling the truth (
This is happening and they’re just tightening the screw on the negotiations..
Christiansen.. you’re absolutely right. Peoples pessimism and worry seem to be clouding the rational thinking here
I definitely do not think this is happening, at the moment at least. The reason lies with Frenkie himself. The guy can read the press and when he reads what Laporta said, he will jump on this bandwagon. He wants to stay, that much is clear, and I’m sure he’d rather take a paycut than be moved on. There’s 3 parties to this agreement and Frenkie will be more convinced he needs to stay put after this. Laporta knows this and therefore will not risk the move falling through. My conclusion: they actually want him to stay on reduced salary. Shame.
They will also sell Memphis.
This is a complete farce.
How has this suddenly come about?
How has this suddenly come about?
If de Jong reads the news about the Ronaldo chaos he will re-consider leaving.
Honestly I do not think he will be coming. But hope I am wrong.
Honestly I do not think he will be coming. But hope I am wrong.
The possibility of this falling through could also be why Ronaldo decided to kick up a fuss now. Who really knows. The timing is certainly strange when he knew our state months ago.
That's a different matter no? Barcelona is his dream club regardless of Messi while he is being sold on the project at United under ETH.
Like the Messi chaos bothered him the season he joined Barça, or the following season for that matter.
If FDJ makes decisions on his career based on footballers coming to the end of theirs, he’s a total buffoon.
Frenkie’s next move should be about the next 3-5 years and about getting back to his Ajax level and playing in his preferred position, a position where he can influence a game and dictate tempo. It should not be about what old superstar he can play with for a season.
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Do you think he might not be aware of it already?
Where's the chaos? Ronaldo might or not might leave.
He is doing this to put the transfer into FDJ hands. And that it is not him forcing Frenkie out. It is all about Laporta
He shouldn’t consider Bayern either due to the Lewa “chaos”.
In reality, a couple of old footballers fancy one final adventure. Whether their clubs allow them or not will depend on many factors, not least the green light from the management.
Only United fans are creating “chaos” around it, I’m sure ETH is relaxed.
All those scenarios in their head why De Jong might not come and they convince themselves he definitely won't come. Its strange.
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