Vasovic lite. Now just need to find Cruyff lite.
Lisandro Martinez | Signs for United
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I really don't get this, he's the best when fully fit nonsense about Shaw, same is often said about Jones and Bailly. He doesn't look fit, he doesn't produce it often enough, he's been here 8 years now ffs and hasn't improved as expected.
He's had a few purple patches and had one full season where he was fit and really good. Telles came in and he realised that he had to work hard to keep his place. Last season he realised Telles was shit and was phoning it in.
Arrivals like Malacia and Martinez should give all these gowls at the back the kick up the hole they need to play better, work harder and improve. They won't be guaranteed a starting spot anymore if they don't.
That's dark. Really dark. Funny though
It’s always hard to know how well a player will adapt and I think with every transfer of a non-PL player there must be some patience. Sancho has struggled with the physicality and pace in the PL but I have no doubt he will be successful in the end.
It’s because you invest all your interest in Utd and not City and Liverpool transfers.
When we hopefully complete the signings of Malacia, Eriksen, FDJ, Martinez …. Other fans will look at it and say Utd got those transfers done easily. It’s because they’ve not been following the chase like us.
I see fans from rival teams having constant meltdowns about transfers not coming.
True, you never know. Doesnt help that Sancho came in a terribly coached team after a difficult summer for him either.
I think Martinez will fit right in though, his mentality, physicality and hardness is remarkable. Closest we would have to Keane I reckon in our squad. And I realise I am making some big statements.
Not bad that part of our defence is being rebuilt with malacia and martinez. If we can get a RB as well then thats the rebuild done.
Cheers mate, very exciting times.
@Pat_Mustard will love him as he’s a big Vasovic fan!
I am looking forward to watching him play and he could be the pioneer for short CBs in the Premier League!
I'v been told several times that size actually doesn't matter, so don't worry!Smaller than me then. That's not good
Indeed.
Just last season City missed out on their main summer target entirely after a drawn-out saga. And even this season for Spurs a "simple" move for Djed Spence has dragged out for weeks. Then you have a side like Arsenal seemingly missing out on multiple first choice targets after pursuing them for weeks, Chelsea only just signing a CB having reportedly made tentative moves for several since the start of the summer, etc. Barcelona have their own transfer shitshows ongoing, while even a side like Madrid suffered with their multi-year Mbappe pursuit coming to nothing.
We don't have a monopoly in deals falling through or protracted transfer sagas.
I can't think of a single team who had a better ball playing defense than Mazraoui - Timber - Martinez - Blind.
Timber/Martinez was a world class central duo in the style that Ajax plays. We won all six group matches in CL with a goal balance 20-5, despite having a poor goalkeeper and an average midfield. Schreuder (our new coach) mentioned he really wanted to to keep three guys: Timber, Martinez and Antony.
Because Timber is an Ajax youth product and has insane dribbling and technical skills he's immensely popular and hyped.
It overshadows the excellent performances by Martinez. But Martinez was player of the season for a reason.
Martinez brings composure and consistency, which would be a huge benefit to a disfunctional team as United was last season.
I'm happy with the signing, without knowing much about the player. But I'm really unsure where he fits in? I don't think he replaces Maguire or Varane? Varane is injury prone though. I don't think Ten Hag is planning on three at the back, or did he ever play with that system? Or will he play in the midfield, like he did for one season under Ten Hag?
Agree with everything you say.
Liverpool and City probably, but our midfield and Onana were relatively much weaker.
I don't really get this signing unless he's to play DM. He's a CB or LB otherwise, both which are relatively well filled - I can't see him starting above Maguire (unfortunately) nor Varane, and nor can I see him starting ahead of Shaw. If he's a 3rd CB, ok, but that's not cheap, nor if he's a 2nd LB (in which case why did we buy Malacia?). Odd.
Although Ten Hag has said that he didn’t have the legs for a midfielder in the quotes that have been posted, I assume that would be for more of box to box role. Quotes also from Ten Hag also said to get the best out of de Jong he has to roam which means he leaves the midfield area open. I can see Martinez as more of a sitter in midfield covering the space left by de Jong, . Particularly as Ten Hag has said midfielders are the priority.
Maybe just wishful thinking but it would seem like a good midfield combo.
So in a way, Alvarez suited Gravenberch? You think Martinez is good enough to play CDM in the PL?
he’ll replace Maguire in my opinion, I doubt Hag is happy about relying on Harry to turn things around
and Varane is super injury prone
then we have the option to move to a back three and push him into midfield to switch to a back four in game without making a sub
I'd be worried if he didn't reject Arsenal considering his manager of only a a couple of months ago wanted him and to play him in his natural position!
It's easier when you don't have a new manager. They could've had their list of target prepared ages ago whereas Ten Hag was focused on Ajax until the end of the season. Only natural that it takes a bit more time, especially since it seems Ten Hag is in charge of which targets to go after.
I don’t know why so many people are confused about this signing?
ETH has gone in, see the bunch of bed ridden, shit bags that we have as CBs and decided I’m getting a new one, that can not only defend on the front foot but is actually excellent on the ball too.
the question is not which CB he replaces but who plays alongside him
ETH has gone in, see the bunch of bed ridden, shit bags that we have as CBs and decided I’m getting a new one, that can not only defend on the front foot but is actually excellent on the ball too.
the question is not which CB he replaces but who plays alongside him
@mitchmouse are you still going fella?
People are weirdly resistant to the idea that one of Maguire and Varane will have to sit on the bench. Even though one was terrible last season, the other struggled with fitness, Martinez is obviously the best choice for LCB and games will come so thick and fast this season that there will inevitably be rotation. So much so that even a manager who tends to rotate as little as ETH has now repeatedly pointed to the effect the WC will have on the season.
another question, which CB will go? Someone, maybe 2, need to go. How many CB will we have after this signing? 8?
I think Jones and Bailly will go. Tuanzebe probably too. Personally I’d listen to offers for any of them
I really don’t doubt his mentality or work ethic. But as for every other transfer like this there is the questions around pace and physicality of the league; can the player do the same things he can today with the ball at PL pace, throughout the match and against teams who are very good at pressing? Imo Sancho couldn’t do that.
At the same time, one key in ETH type of football seems to be to be able to handle press without losing the initiative, and even use the opponents press to build up for attack. To do that we need to bring in players who have those skills.
About the terrible coaching. There are many players in the squad who will benefit from a coach who also is a proper trainer. I expect several players to develop and take the next step.
A serious ear straining in the offing then.
Im ready
I am not sure he is anywhere close to Keane. But obviously who am I to say as only watched a couple of Ajax matches and various YouTube clips. Gives me the impression that he is more of a physical Daley Blind though.
With some of the moaning cnuts we have here? I doubt it. I bet they bitched about prime Rio/Vidic too.
I'm glad I think Ten Hag agrees with me. Time will tell!
The way he walked away after doing that shows the sort of confidence he has in his abilities, okay I'm all in
Honestly if we could get decent money for one of Lindelof, Maguire or Varane, then why not one of them? Whichever is going to be 4th choice. Keep Bailly and/or Axel as 5th and 6th choice. Sell VDB also and we'll have a nice bit of money towards Antony.
This makes me excited about this signing. He looks pretty damn good here and it looks like he's playing CM in some of the clips. Carrick-esque passes between the lines, pressuring opponents, calm on the ball.
shaw had a double leg break I was at the game in Holland it was one of the worst I’ve ever seen, he’s done amazing to play again but at 26 I see him seeing off Malacia and Chillwelll with relative ease, because if ever a player had everything, pace power, technical ability to play either as inverted full back or overlap and create from a wide area then Luke shaw has that, he’s always been a modern full back that’s been unlucky with injuries, how many English born Man United Defenders have scored in a major international final or made team of the tournament only Rio, Bobby Charlton , Nobby Stiles and Luke Shaw hugely he’s not overrated and yes he needs competition but people forget how much he covered Harry Maguire deficiencies from the previous 2 seasons for club and country as soon as Telles came in the team , Maguire lack of pace and positional sense was exposed so is Luke shaw going to play 40 games and T Mallicia 20 I hope so because that means we have. Managed our injuries better than usual.
Gave Lego Pep the middle finger.
Lunatics asylum this place.
It’s the Joe Hart - Pep scenario.
People were gobsmacked when he walked straight in and binned off Englands number 1. It looked mental but he was proven right.
ETH clearly needs that position to do certain things, the squad doesn’t have anyone that can do it, so he’s prioritising a singing in that position.
I mean nobody's coming, you'll have to strain hard to hear anything at all.
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