That might not be as negative as we need it to be.
I believe FDJ started off as a CB and moved to CDM later with Ajax.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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I believe FDJ started off as a CB and moved to CDM later with Ajax.
His agent and/or lawyer should still have been on the ball there. It's not like FDJ does his own paperwork, and when dealing with that sort of money you make sure to cover all the bases.
And Gareth Bale started as LB and moved onwards to LW. Like feck is playing LB now.
It’s very negative let’s be honest. Especially when they are signing Kounde.
De Jong is a CM. It’s a World Cup year. It can’t possibly be any more negative. They are clearly forcing him out.
Of course, but he’s the player. It’s his agent/legal team etc who is hired and paid the money to think about the nasty things/when things go wrong. They kind of… didn’t?
We need to deal with these deserters.Another muppet rings the bell
It's a shame, so close to the finish too...
Court-Martial?
(and I don't mean flutter our eyelashes at Martial)
They're basically telling him that he's not got a future in his preferred position and Xavi likes him as a CB... except they're bring in another CB too. So not only will he have competition in CM but also CB too.
It's forcing him out without actually saying we're forcing you out. They're basically saying no matter where you play, you're second best and will be fighting it out as a rotation player
Yep exactly
Yes of course it’s not a good sign for FDJ. But it comes down to how much desire he has to stay at Barca.
If he gets moved to CB but gets told he’ll start most games, he may be accepting of it.
Mascherano went there having solely played CDM for most of his career and ended up being Barca’s first choice CB.
It’s obviously not looking promising for FDJ but it all comes down to how much he’s willing to compromise from a footballing perspective.
Don't lie.
He's a good looking guy.
The agent/lawyer secured 4yrs deal that is worth 73m-88m euros, all the agent and De Jong need to do is sit tight, and wait for Barca to come the table and negotiate exit terms, they aren't in a weak position at all, but I get that the situation is toxic for De Jong.
This is so on more than ever. You can't be so in love with a club that is not only forcing you out, but wanting to play you out of position in WC year to make a point!
Sort this fecking deferred payment out and come over where you will be adored!
Sort this fecking deferred payment out and come over where you will be adored!
We should use this to our advantage and try to leak serious interest in someone else.
Obviously Barca are trying to get out of paying the wages he us owed so trying to force him out i assume accepting less.
But that only works if Barca can sell him for decent money and if the main party of this looks to move on it weakens their position.
Obviously Barca are trying to get out of paying the wages he us owed so trying to force him out i assume accepting less.
But that only works if Barca can sell him for decent money and if the main party of this looks to move on it weakens their position.
bloody hell. This is like calling Seamus Coleman a London based sweetcorn importer/exporter.What a mess. It will be resolved soon enough.
“Xavi killed a guy with a trident!”
I doubt United are paying much of that up front. De Jong would still be saleable in future seasons too, so not as if selling him is a case of now or never.
They are signing Kounde? He isn’t first choice. They also got Christensen and Garcia. He’s been on the bench twice in pre season. You move someone to a new position and plan to build around them then don’t play them and sign a new CB?
Super reaching here!
Laporta is definitely Brick in this scenariobut it's a direct contradiction to his comments that LVG plays him in his best position and Xavi doesn't.
maybe it’s not that bad for him: if he doesn’t leave then registration of Kounde might become problematic - in which case he will actually sometimes play as a CB
Yeah it doesn’t look promising at all for him. It’s also a huge gamble Barca are taking by planning on FDJ leaving and then bringing in new players. Their highest paid player could be a guy who sits on the bench this season.
The key aspect has always been if De Jong stays he triggers 4 years of huge payments of 20 million each so the ball is back in Barca's court, do they miss out on a transfer fee of 70-80 million and start paying Frenkie 20 mill a year or agree to pay him what he was supposed to earn in the last two years. All De Jong has to do is say firmly I'm staying and Barca will have to pay him off most or all as it will be lesser than if he stays.
Yes it was stupid of him and his agent, especially as I remember speculation around his role and not quite being the player they thought. It can be used in such a underway to weasel out of paying but Barca are forced into action if he just stays and takes a firm stance.
Omg, they used the words “IF he stays at Barca”. It’s the most positive news they’ve ever come out with!
Imagine if he’s shit after all this.
I got shouted down for arguing this a month or so ago. His agent has terribly advised him.
Well it's a WC year, I don't see anyone risking their place in the WC to give a club that doesn't want them the middle finger.
FDJ simply can't afford to sit out or play CB with the WC on the horizon.
I mean it’s a huge kick in the balls to De Jong.
He’s brought in as a CM for big money. Now he’s on the bench and preferred as a CB option.
The lad is 25 and it’s a World Cup year. He’s not a CB.
It’s a clear sign they want him out.
I bet they still think that IF he does move, it's ABU. Closet scousers
and now Laporta is jumping on Xavi's comments to essentially say "we need to examine everything because you're a bench CB".
Where are you seeing that he’s legally owed nothing?
This article explains it in detail.
https://www.footballtransfers.com/e...barcelona-how-barcelona-owe-frenkie-jong-100m
At current, De Jong still has four years left on his contract with Barcelona and Marca have reported that across that remaining time Barcelona will owe him €88.58 million in fixed salary and loyalty bonus payments.
However, there are multiple other clauses in the deal that could be added. They include:
1. A variable payment of €8 million (€2 million per year) if he stays at the club and plays more than 60% of games in each of the four seasons left on his contract.
2. €12.8 million (€3.2 million per year) for title wins and progression to the finals of the UEFA Champions League.
De Jong's annual wage
Furthermore, De Jong has seen his annual wage decreased due to the impact COVID-19. The report from Marca reveals that de Jong received €12.32 million in fixed salary instead of €14 million due to the club enforcing a 12% paycut on all first-team players.
Barcelona then negotiated a new deal for De Jong to keep him until 2026, with De Jong earning just €3m fixed salary in 2020/21 and €9m in 2021/22, giving up as much as €16m in total. That amount is due to be paid across the four years left on his contract.
talking of CBs, I've laughed at some stories in my time but this Sun spectacular takes the award:
"Harry Maguire has snubbed a move to Barcelona despite rumours claiming that a swap deal for him and Frenkie de Jong is being considered"
"Harry Maguire has snubbed a move to Barcelona despite rumours claiming that a swap deal for him and Frenkie de Jong is being considered"
Isn't he a bit small to play center back?
Can he play in midfield, does Anyone know?
Can he play in midfield, does Anyone know?
Why do people do this? Why would we imagine he’s anything other than immense?
I don't know who exactly is making the title changes, but it makes me giggle each time I see a new one
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