Difference is we had won the league fairly recently whereas we've come off our worse ever season.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Mate there is only so much coaching can do. You will still see us hugely struggle against opposition that has better midfields. We may keep more of the ball but you'll see us find it hard to break down the opposition because those two cannot pass.
One of the best things about living outside european timezones is i can speed read through doomer meltdowns. Christ what a bunch of hysterical online people....35 pages of doomerism just so you lot can justify your pessimism based on nothing.
I fully expect that if he were to take a pay cut we would be informed and then we'd be informing Simon Stone and Ducker. Once again, nothing new has happened. The last update we got from Ducker was how complicated this was and how long it might run and his update before that was that "club sources" got the green light to pursue the deal from FDJs camp.
If you need to believe that FDJ's team got us involved so he could negotiate a lower wage in a new wage cut deal.....i have no idea why you're posting here.
I fully expect that if he were to take a pay cut we would be informed and then we'd be informing Simon Stone and Ducker. Once again, nothing new has happened. The last update we got from Ducker was how complicated this was and how long it might run and his update before that was that "club sources" got the green light to pursue the deal from FDJs camp.
If you need to believe that FDJ's team got us involved so he could negotiate a lower wage in a new wage cut deal.....i have no idea why you're posting here.
I’m fine if the manager thinks he’s got something to develop. As I say, I’ve seen SAF flog Kanchelskis, Hughes and Ince in one Summer and replace them with some lads called Beckham, Butt & Scholes. Everyone of us to a man/woman would’ve called him an absolute fool, but turned out that good managers, more often than not, make good decisions that we simply cannot foresee.
I’ve also seen a Summer we brought in Pogba, Zlatan and Miki and finish out of the top 4, same for Sancho, Varane & Ronaldo.
A player or two won’t be the magic answer, the manager will.
If you need to believe that FDJ's team got us involved so he could negotiate a lower wage in a new wage cut deal.....i have no idea why you're posting here.
I'm tired Robbie
Great Post. And i was gutted when Kanchelskis left.
But then we can also admit that there is a portion of the fan base that is ultra patient. Either that or it is some sort of yearly clean slate. Theres no question about overcriticism being bad. But the other sides are riling up the masses as well ^^ . Even the two guys on youtube, on The Kickoff, spoke about it - that is is astonishing, how we are so willfully happy to grant clean slate. For me personally, the club and all others, players and managers, have to earn our trust to some degree. The last 5 years don't really leave much room for leeway. Saying that can't be toxic.
I agree on most of your posts usually but I think you are wrong here. I mean, based on your logic, we should have been pretty good over the last 2-3 years. Midfield is key in todays game as an attack force can really do its magic when they always are needed to help out somewhere else. And even the best defenders can look like idiots when the midfield isn't doing its job.
Fred, Bruno, Eriksen, Donny, McTominay and Garner - thats at least one player in Bruno, we know is only really good as a 10. Eriksen played as a 10 only last year and the year before. Garner hasn't seen a minute of PL football, Donny didn't impress while on loan to Everton and what we can expect from Fred and McTominay is an open secret.
I agree with you, there are other places in the squad who need attention too. But in no way at the cost of the midfield.
That actually makes it more mental. We had league double winning absolute winners, yet decided we had a few youngsters we could develop instead.
So it is in fact possible to be successful after missing out on key transfer targets! Shock horror. The point is that we've made 3 good signings, and Ten Hag is making the decision of Frenkie til the end. We'll see if he goes for a backup or if he decides to use the budget on a winger. My guess is the latter. Don't really care about the last 3 years, what matters is now and building towards what the manager wants is what matters.Yeah shit happens all the time. But there are situations that are more serious than other situation, I'm sure you would agree, right?
Good one
They won the fecking league ffs
Some fans might think, that we can't stabilize our league position and become a competitive AND develop players at the same time. At least not right now.
That was different, the player wanted to join them but his club won't allow it.
This though, he had rather be on lower wages than join us.
We must be very bad, we have definitely lost most of our draw.
Transfers aren’t always on time
Whoa whoa whoa.
That's not the case. ManagingBarca and the other aggregators just fooled you into thinking that they're even strongly considering it.
You feeling ok??? About to report you for rewording my post into something super weird
I genuinely cannot believe some of the stuff i've read in these last 30 pages. The "wage cut" angle has been the driving focus of Barca from day one of this saga. We got Tier 1-2 journos that told us that our willingness to stay in this saga was solely down to FDJ's team giving us the green light and ETH thinking FDJ was the perfect option. This has somehow morphed into "FDJ's team got us involved so he could negotiate a lower wage in a new wage cut deal".
Absolutely bonkers, i seriously hope this is some weird online thing where people get too invested in refreshing threads and rationality is temporarily halted. Because if this is how folks actually process information, god help us all.
Quite easy to see how Brexit and Trumpism happened. Some folks just eat it all up with their eyes and ears covered.
A) And now I start to list teams who went on to be successful after not missing out on key transfers? ^^ Of course it is possible, but you'd make it way harder for yourself then necessary. The United way if you will - do it the most hard way that is possible.
B) I'd be fine when we use the budget in a sensible way on a different area of the squad. I am sure though, that ETH isn't able to create a working midfield with the players available.
C) I agree with you, the past is the past and the present is the present. But if you don't learn from the past, you leaving money on the table. In our situation, we should avoid that. If anything good comes with all the failures of the last 10 or 5 or 3 years, at least it should be used to learn a lesson.
So what you're saying is muppetry is how Nazi Germany started?
That's the spirit
Now that I can agree with, and with the issues in the past I'd rather we stabilise and slowly develop. I think stabilisation is the important one at the min. Gain consistent CL and top 4 finishes and go from there.
Rushing won't really help anyone, but buying the wrong players won't help either, as we've seen many times in the past with a lot of our signings
Yes I was. I’m usually critical of our board/previous managers, but I feel like some of our fanbase jumping to conclusions too early (based on how things been, it’s somewhat understandable), however I think we should give ETH and the board the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
i fully expect that the doomers have already collated Tier 1-2 reports, the pictures of Arnold and Murtough, and should FDJ not actually come, we are going to suffer months of new threads and posts about how everything confirms their terminally negative outlook on life.
I might be a "blind muppet", i'm fully ready to accept that we might not get him. But if people need to twist themselves into downright incoherent rambling to justify their posts here, all i can ask is why waste your time in here? Go find a new thread.
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Thanks man, i make no promises.
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I don't think, we are a good place to develop young players at the minute. Too much pressure, too much scrutiny. I think, we need a certain baseline of success before we can afford the luxury of inconsistent youngsters. I mean, this is what loans are for... In my eyes, this season and the next one - you wouldn't do a young player any favors being here. Except for talents like Greenwood. But none of the guys around right now fall into this category.
But we share the tendency to stabilize and development. For what its worth, I'd categorize going for a 85 million player as an attempt to shortcut. ^^ But yeah, who knows.
Given that we have absolutely no depth for the front 3, that to me is the #1, priority right now. But there is no dream signing like Frenkie for midfield, that's why I see Frenkie as #1. But i do think we've already improved our midfield balance and build up play. Obviously Ten Hag alone is huge, but Martinez will be a big difference, and Eriksen as well.
Also just want to note - don't lump Fred in with McTominay as some mediocre player. He's a very good midfielder and has repeatedly showed it! Yes ideally we would sell Donny, loan out Garner, being in a partner for Fred, have Eriksen and Bruno compete and strengthen the front 3 as well. Can't all happen though, or is unlikely. At the end of the day though, it's just about having a squad that the manager feels can achieve what he wants this season. It was never going to be a 1 window rebuild. So if ten hag feels like he is happy enough with the midfielders we have if he can't get Frenkie, then so be it. Our midfield is fine to get top 4 provided we get depth in attack, as i think ten Hag will make a big difference. Frenkie is a player who I think can turn us into title challengers much quicker than anticipated, that's why ten hag is going all out for him.
I also can't understand people being unwilling to offer players a chance. They play for man united. If the manager feels they have a role to play, then they have a role to play. There are no ifs, ors, buts about it. Ten Hag is the most important man at the club right now and we need to back him and trust his judgement. He will be judged on how he manages the squad and his performances, so there shouldn't be a big outrage at his decision as long as he's doing well on the pitch for us.
That’s what comes with being the most supported club in the World, it aint going away with a cup win or two.
Agreed, with Fred, Eriksen and Bruno we have some very good options. If we could get a De Jong, or develop someone to play alonside Fred, could certainly play some good football with those.
Yeah but it's way easier if you have a working, established and successful system. Look at Liverpool, changing one player for a youngster doesn't change the way they play. This of course helps the youngster to integrate and just function in the system.
Last seasons with us, everything was full on improvisation, no safety net of a system helping the inexperienced players settle.
Of course the hope is that ETH will provide exactly such a system. And so far, it's looking promising
No doubt they’re much better teams than us, but I don’t see why that matters when we’re discussing them chasing after players for long time just for them to miss out. If you mean they don’t need the players as much as we do, that is true, but we also have to back the manager and his vision, especially since we practically have completely new staff starting from scratch. I agree the situation is not ideal, but we really can’t completely come to correct conclusions until we see clear evidence.
Some love for the Pastor! You love to see it! (Or at least I do)
Cant agree with sell DVB or loan Garner again though. They both need to show what they can do this season. Make or break. Next summer is the time to make a judgement on them.
I don’t think success is what gives that base, players looked miles better for Klopp quite quickly.
The system, and the coaching are the most important.
Agreed, success breeds confidence, but the crucial part really is the system and philosophy that's being coach to a high standard
I can't believe there's a guy on here with more than 1k posts in this thread with less than 3k overall.....
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