Cristiano Ronaldo (I stay)

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He will score goals wherever he goes but he’s not good enough to carry teams to anything meaningful anymore. Now it comes to the detriment of the collective - Chelsea’s top PL scorer was Mount with 11 goals and yet they scored 19 more goals than us as a team.

Not far from 40 and you specifying he’s 37 and a half are the same thing. He’s way past his prime.
It’s not true. Put him in Bayern and they’d still win the same stuff or even more with his ability in the CL. He obviously needs a club that is the finished article and would be great in that kind of set-up. We are not what he needs and he is not we need either. We need a young, dynamic forward.
 

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With him we‘ll fight for Europe one more year, without him we’ll be top 4.
His goals doesn’t way up for the negatives.
 

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It’s not true. Put him in Bayern and they’d still win the same stuff or even more with his ability in the CL. He obviously needs a club that is the finished article and would be great in that kind of set-up. We are not what he needs and he is not we need either. We need a young, dynamic forward.
Yeah, I agree that Bayern is the ideal situation for him. He could make a real positive impact there if his ego will allow him to accept a lower salary and that he won't start every game and sometimes be used as a "super sub" (depending on form, opponents, etc.).

I think/hope the solution is he buys his contact out here, we release him and he signs for Bayern at ~50-60% of the wages he'd be on here. Then we take the money saved and help to invest in 2 young attacking players.
 

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It’s not true. Put him in Bayern and they’d still win the same stuff or even more with his ability in the CL. He obviously needs a club that is the finished article and would be great in that kind of set-up. We are not what he needs and he is not we need either. We need a young, dynamic forward.
Not so sure about that. He joined a 'finished article' that was a dominant Juve team and took them so far backwards. Never even came close to winning the CL.
 

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It’s not true. Put him in Bayern and they’d still win the same stuff or even more with his ability in the CL. He obviously needs a club that is the finished article and would be great in that kind of set-up. We are not what he needs and he is not we need either. We need a young, dynamic forward.
Could that be Sesko, yes I know he isn't Schick but reckon he can be moulded under Erik's coaching
 

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Sounds like he had actually watched United which is more than I suspect of the people on here actually abusing the man for some reason.

It's really sad to me how utterly toxic or fanbase is. I had hoped at least that if we did stop being so successful it would weed those people out but somehow it made them even more toxic more entitled and far more bitter
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Terrific, see ya later Ronnie. What a Legend alright ..

Personally hope he ends up at Chelsea. Would cause far more trouble than he's worth.
 

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Barely top 10? What nonsense
Jordan
Lebron
Magic johnson
Larry bird
Tim Duncan
Bill Russell
Wilt
Hakeem
Kareem
Shaq

off the top of my head. Kobe was a great player but he’s much closer to 10-15 all time than top 5 let alone surpassing mj and lebron:lol:
 

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Don't get the people here that are afraid of him going to Chelsea. I'd love it if they/Ronaldo paid us 10-15 mill for him. He'll have em in 6th place in no time, might be our best transfer deal this window if he does sign for Chelsea.
 

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Not so sure about that. He joined a 'finished article' that was a dominant Juve team and took them so far backwards. Never even came close to winning the CL.
Thats not entirely true. Juventus have an ageing squad with many of their key players past their peak, plus they keep changing their manager during Ronaldo's time there (3 managers in 3 seasons). Although they have not been doing well in CL, but Ronaldo still did his job there scoring some important goals. Overall they still manage to win 5 trophies in 3 seasons with him, which isn't anyway backwards in terms of trophies success.
 

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Would you be happy if he went to Chelsea for nothing?
He would be joining a team whose manager is actively against it. If Ronaldo is benched, the Chelsea dressing room would probably side with Tuchel over Ronaldo and the new owner.
I can see plenty of drama.
 

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He's being weird if he is asking to be released from the contract without having any suitors... very strange behaviour from him if true.
He apparently wants us to loan him to Atletico, probably with us paying a part of his salary. :lol:
 

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Thats not entirely true. Juventus have an ageing squad with many of their key players past their peak, plus they keep changing their manager during Ronaldo's time there (3 managers in 3 seasons). Although they have not been doing well in CL, but Ronaldo still did his job there scoring some important goals. Overall they still manage to win 5 trophies in 3 seasons with him, which isn't anyway backwards in terms of trophies success.
tbf Ronaldo has now had 4 managers in one year at Utd
 

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Ronaldo: Mr. Glazerchev, tear up this contract!

(Just before posting, I remembered that he was actually named after Ronald Reagan).
 

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They’re one of the most ungracious teams in defeat. They represent anything but humility. Look at the antics they pull whenever they’re trailing or narrowly winning a game. Their fans have always been deluded anyway. Living in the shadow of Real Madrid does that I guess.
Agree about their dirty tactics and their lack of class in defeat but I think that by lack of humility they mean Ronaldo's flashy character, his tendencies to preen, pose and boast.

They probably wouldn't be so harsh if he had not played for Real Madrid.
 

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If he's willing to forfeit his last year pay and isn't asking us to pay him off we should consider his request. I actually thought he was coming to Carrington to backtrack but turns out he was coming to double even triple down on that transfer request. Asking us to null his contract is some heavy stuff.

It was nice having him, he had some great moments but I'm ready to pull the plug. While his good days are lovely his bad days will always be a problem because he offers little else, rarely assumes supporting roles in attack and to top it all off doesn't tolerate being subbed. Meanwhile continues to assume every attack finds him as the designated goalscorer. Results will always be limited by whatever goalscoring form he's in on the day. We've made enough concessions. He was very much a part of the team that finished 6th. He can go somewhere else and go cap their attacking ceiling. I was actually curious how ETH was going to get him to stop taking every half chance in the box to sacrifice for others in a better position. It ain't just about goal tallies. Really Ronaldo is doing him a favour.
 
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I see it as very simple. Much rather tear up the contract and get rid of his salary than count on him being professional.
 

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Why won't we buy himself out of his contract? Should cost like 25m or something, no? He has hundreds of millions.

Or the other option, why won't he play for free at another club?

He's desperate to leave but seems like not that desperate after all :lol: Asking the club to let him leave on a free is funny...the audacity
 

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I was actually curious how ETH was going to get him to stop taking every half chance in the box to sacrifice for others in a better position. It ain't just about goal tallies. Really Ronaldo is doing him a favour.
This is something few people noticed (or just didn't want to notice) last season...there's a reason why every other attacker had really bad seasons compared to previous ones. Same thing happened at Juve.
 

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Atletico's values are "generosity and humility"? Since when? They've been the biggest bunch of shithouses in Europe for ages.
That they are but also extremely solidary on the pitch and yeah, quite a humble bunch. No top dog, they're more like hound pack working with each other, everyone sacrificing themselves for the benefit of the whole team. None of them shy from doing the dirty work. Can't remember them having a player with anything like Ronaldo's ego. So their statement isn't that far away from the truth.
 

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I doubt that Mendes has messed up.

I am saying Ronaldo's delusions have forced Mendes to look for a club and he is using tricks, such as leaking to the media, to help ensure his client goes elsewhere.

He is making the best out of a delusional situation.
That wouldn't surprise me. I genuinely thought that they already had a couple of clubs lined up before going public.
 

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Seems like a reasonable fair solution. Ronaldo gets:
  • Same salary
  • Contract extension
  • Gets to play in the champions league in one of the top teams in one of the best leagues.
United get:
  • the privilege of subsidizing his wages
 

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The argument that he will feck up Chelsea (or any other team) if he goes there is insane. In a well oiled team, he will get the goals, which is (should be) his only job.
 

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Player swap with Athletico or Bayern is my preferred solution if somehow those two don’t want to pay us 15-20m to buy his contract
 

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Maybe both parties can agree to discontinue his contract?
That way United can save face if he decides to go to Chelsea, as we haven't sold him.
We save a lot in wages and no longer have an unhappy player and big distraction around the dressing room.
Chelsea have a huge squad with quite a number of players whose future is unknown, the last thing Tuchel needs is a Ronaldo in his dressing room. His rant after the defeat against Arsenal was quite telling. If Boehly decides to sign him anyway, it will wreck their season.
 

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I can't believe the club isn't allowing him to leave. After everything he has done for the club he should be allowed to decide his own future. He has only 1-2 seasons left at this insanely high level he is performing at and he should be allowed to use his talent in the UCL. I hope Bayern realize they are making a mistake in not getting him, it's clear that they want him but are afraid of the reaction his arrival would have on the team due to his salary.
Chelsea seem like the only option right now. We should let him go if that's what he wants.
:lol:. This has to be a troll.
 

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The argument that he will feck up Chelsea (or any other team) if he goes there is insane. In a well oiled team, he will get the goals, which is (should be) his only job.
No, it's not and this isn't even some new concept. The striker job at least at top clubs has always been more than just scoring goals.
 

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Honestly I don't give a feck about how just get rid of the twat and let the lads concentrate on their football. Don't want to see that wanker in an United shirt ever again.
 

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Bayern will never get a 35+ year old diva. Its just bad management to even consider the move. As long as he is not willing to be a squad option and impact sub, he is only a problem.
If he would be willing to be a squad option or impact sub, he wouldnt need to move.
 

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Well they posted that he was on the stands at the friendly which means he will likely stay
 
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Nonsense, we had not attacking patterns of play last season because we had two managers and accompanying coaches who werent up to the job, and he still scored a load of goals.
Yup.

Think he’d do brilliant for Chelsea, and it’d worsen out chances of finishing above them. Would be outrageously daft to let him go there.
 

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The argument that he will feck up Chelsea (or any other team) if he goes there is insane. In a well oiled team, he will get the goals, which is (should be) his only job.
He won't make Chelsea any better which is why Tuchel has no desire to sign him. Top teams don't want to play with a static target man up front
 

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Yup.

Think he’d do brilliant for Chelsea, and it’d worsen out chances of finishing above them. Would be outrageously daft to let him go there.
It'd be smart to let him go there, in the same way City are now secretly pissing themselves laughing that their interest forced us to sign him
 

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Yup.

Think he’d do brilliant for Chelsea, and it’d worsen out chances of finishing above them. Would be outrageously daft to let him go there.
Tuchel seems to strongly disagree with you on this one. It seems that the only pull he has it’s from the commercial standpoint but football heads seems to prevail across Europe this summer as they swiftly reject him one after another.
 

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How is it drivel? A fit Martial who is playing most weeks is capable of contributing much more to the team in performances this year and as a foundation for the evolution of the squad and how EtH would play, rather than current Ronaldo.

That's objectively true.
Martial has shown as a CF who is healthy that he can score goals and contribute very well as part of a functioning unit. Ronaldo isn't at that stage of his career anymore, which requires a sustained amount of defensive duties and awareness. In addition, to the wages Ronaldo commands against Martial, Ronaldo is a very expensive luxury player. There is no ready made team in club football for him anymore that is willing to take on his wages, his limit goal contribution which is very much dependent on service, and requires players who will do the running for him more times than not.

If we're being objective and less sentimental, the sooner Ronaldo leaves, the better it is for everyone. The EtH train won't stop for anyone. This is far from it being about Ronaldo now. He had his one comeback year and it didn't work out. Fine, let's just move on and call a spade a spade. Ronaldo isn't meeting the requirements of elite level football anymore and the demands it asks for.

He either stays and accepts what's he ask to do at whatever level/competition, or he continues to seek avenues to leave.
Which season are you suggesting reflects Martials capabilities to outperform Ronaldo? 8 seasons at United there is evidence he cannot. His touch map over his career is similar to Ronaldo's heat map for 2021/21 how is he a better functioning unit? You're also ignoring the shift towards a focal point with City (Haaland) and Liverpool (Nunez) as an evolution of play guess what, both touch maps reflect that. Tackles, blocks and general defensive duties?

Wages: how many shirts were sold with Ronaldo on the back? How many has Martial sold over his career at united? Who is the expensive luxury?

Like I said you wrote drivel, over 8 seasons he has shown he is incapable, whereas Ronaldo performed in the worst team for many years. Im not saying Ronaldo isn't coming to the end of his career, I'm saying the is no evidence that Martial has the capabilities to be the main man. Your comment remains wishful thinking and not objective.
 
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