I think Real would be tempted to sell, as they already have Tchouameni and Camavinga, who played in exact same position. It’s just impossible to keep everyone happy there.
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Mitten states it would be a 4 year contract
Is anyone really opposed to this if it happens?
First thing that needs to happen is we need to be more difficult to beat. The core needs improving. I don’t see a better player to come in for the DM role at this moment in time to do that.
Is anyone really opposed to this if it happens?
First thing that needs to happen is we need to be more difficult to beat. The core needs improving. I don’t see a better player to come in for the DM role at this moment in time to do that.
Fred is good but I don’t trust him in midfield passing, which would be important in our new possession play.
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That’s a good way to frame the situation. The big question mark here is whether Casemiro is willing to leave Champions League football, and whether he is likely to be a squad player moving forward.
Madrid have had hits and misses when it comes to early departures from the club. I have little doubt that Ronnie has been a strong advocate for the signing of Casemiro.
Is he finally the "midfield destroyer" we've been after for years?
That’s ridiculous. More like next 56 days.
No. We’ve had McTominay who’s destroyed our midfield for years now.
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I’d rather sign Caicedo than Casemiro.
I’d rather sign Caicedo than Casemiro.
Can we not sign both?
Mitten is shit. He also said just last week we are in pole position to sign FDJ and there is clear indication from the players camp that he would be willing to move. He maybe good at writing books about the history of Man United but when it comes to transfer news he is less than useless.
same. Would happily take either that said, or both
He's a top top player, but if he signs, we'll have to give him a huge wage. Doubling his Madrid wage would be fecking stupid and sets a precedent that I thought we were trying to move away from.
What they should be doing is incentivise contracts, so if we get top 4, they get a bonus, top 2 a bigger bonus, etc. and make them actually earn their money for once.
What they should be doing is incentivise contracts, so if we get top 4, they get a bonus, top 2 a bigger bonus, etc. and make them actually earn their money for once.
It's gonna end up being ridiculous financially at this point but that's our own fault. We've been desperate for a defensive midfielder for years and he's one of the best.
Casemiro with Eriksen and Fernandes in front or Casemiro and Fred with one of them in front if we want to sure things up a bit more definitely sounds like a decent plan.
Casemiro with Eriksen and Fernandes in front or Casemiro and Fred with one of them in front if we want to sure things up a bit more definitely sounds like a decent plan.
The counter argument is that we need players who are experienced, have a good mentality, and have won everything, because they know what it takes to win.
On a 4 year deal it would be worth it for 2 world class years, one good and one ok. We have no midfield people!
He wouldn’t be for sale if this was still the case. Madrid don’t need the money and don’t sell players they need. He’s either not needed or not for sale.
He has never got anything right. Yes he is terrible when it comes to transfer news. He maybe a good journalist and I’m not knocking him for that. But he is not ITK yet he acts like one.
Honestly I'd love it if we got him but it would depend on the price. I wouldn't want us to pay more than £50m for a 30+ year old player. He might be good now but some players fall off a cliff at 32 and others can play on till they're 35. It's a risk. So the €70m I've seen quoted somewhere would be way too much in my opinion.
For me it’s all about the structure of the contract. If he’s gonna double his money like some LIV golfer for just showing up then I’d walk away. If he’s happy to get a chunk more cash every week (say 25%) coupled with being back as the main guy not a rotation option and then the money gets silly if we get top 4, win x trophies etc I’m all with it. I just think the PL needs a ton of motivation to succeed regardless of age, and IF it’s purely a money move for the guy, not sure that’s gonna help us much at all. This should be a long term plan of recovery and we just suck it up and stick to it.
This type of defensive midfielder is interesting because 30 is not really old for them, we had a poor "luck" with Matic but otherwise they have a tendency to last. Think about Xabi Alonso, Makélélé, Carrick, Henderson, Gilberto Silva, Thiago Motta, Marcos Senna and others. So unless Casemiro has injury issues, he is likely in the middle of his prime as a DM, he has never been a great playmaker so it's not really that aspect of his game that should be judged.
I’m sorry but this doesn’t make sense at all. Surely getting in the best we can in each position speeds the process up? Plus we have so much midfield talent coming through that those 3/4 years could be used to develop the likes of Gore behind him without sacrificing first team performances.
A large portion of our fanbase fetishes signing these young superstars that we can mould into a decade of excellence but it’s just not realistic. Look at who’s moving over the last 2 seasons. Sancho, Haaland, Jesus, De Ligt, Fabinho is going into his fourth year at Liverpool, VVD (injury to be fair) is only looking at his fourth full season at Liverpool as well, I think Mane gave them 5 (?) Thiago is 31! Doubt you’ll see Liverpool fans regret that move.
3/4 years is an eternity in football terms and it’s bordering on nativity to pretend otherwise.
That just isn’t modern football. If Ten Hag thinks Casemiro can propel this team forward and isn’t hiding behind 2/3 years down the line because he’s rattled then go get him.
But none of them change anything for the better, I mean we have tried that with loads of players. From Schweinsteiger to Ronaldo, they never brought any improvement, van Persie was the last one to really make a difference, for 1 season. Another problem that I'm seeing is that with these players, we always bring in big egos, they expect to be immediately big dogs in the team and can upset the current hierarchy severely.
Of course, like I said is you don't only want inexperience players in the team, but seriously, experience is not our problem right now, it's that too many players think they don't need to put in a shift anymore.
Very important point, Real usually doesn't let players who are still in their prime go. If they think about selling, you can bet they are on the decline and Real thinks they have gotten the best out of the player already.
That's not even the main issue for me. If Casemiro was coming in as the final piece of the puzzle, I'd be fine with us paying that money for him. The problem is we still need to bring in 4 or 5 more players before the end of the window for this team to even have a chance of being competitive. Looking at how the window has gone so far for us, I don't think that money's there.
If we go balls to the wall for the remaining 2 weeks of the window and get everything we need, fine. But that doesn't feel like a likelihood, or even close to it.
Given our current free fall, a DM like him to address one of our biggest issues for years and stabilize us would enable us to start rebuilding again from a position of calmness and control. United right now is a stupidly undesirable club. We're being rejected left and right. No good young player will pick us over another club. So we need to show players a reason for them to come here again. Being a decent team and not a mess would be a start, and Casemiro would help that instantly.
Ok. But as I said. On a 4 year contract is anyone opposed to this?
I agree. It’s actually a position that often gets better with age given the amount of tactical awareness you need to perform it. Again the longevity can be enhanced if you simply have them holding as opposed to box to box so providing they stay fit, and to my knowledge Casemiro has a good record, I see no reason why he couldn’t help transform the team.
You could add Busquets to your list and others like Fernandinho, De Rossi and the lesser Gatusso.
Yes financials matter to us. We aren’t cash rich. So spending 80m and 300k on wages for a DM isn’t great even for a 4 year contract.
If we sign both, then I think all Utd fans may be in for a shock because our club won’t be recognisable. We’ll have lost our “identity” of the last 3 years.
Casemiro is definitely a signing that excite me despite of his age, I posted it on last year thread that Casemiro would have been ideal and only dream type of DM last season so I never expect that it can become a real signing. Not injury prone as well. A world class DM.
£59m is the rumoured fee.
We have shrunk the wage bill with the departures of Pogba, Cavani, Matic, Mata, Lingard etc. Theres plenty of scope to pay such wages and the fee is about average for a top class player these days.
By way of comparison Lukaku is on more at Chelsea, along with Sterling. Neither of whom are the best in the world in their position unlike Casemiro whom is a multiple league title and European Cup winner.
United can comfortably afford it.
How do you mean lost out identity pal?
He isn’t for sale but if the player wants to go it’s unlikely they will block the move given his service to the club and the fact they have got his longer term replacements in.
Ideally they’d like him to stay to help with the transition and you can see by the reaction from the Madrid fans they don’t want him to leave.
An identity of being bottle jobs who cannot stand any amount of pressure. It speaks volumes that the only time this team looked competent was during COVID lockdown when the crowds were away. These hacks don't have it in them to sustain any kind of meaningful pressure. They crumble. The damage done by Ole & his **** will take years to root out. This is literally our worst squad ever assembled. We have gone 5+ years without a trophy. Yet, a fair share of the majority still pander to them here.
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