Casemiro | United Player

[Garethw]

We are about to sign the best defensive midfield player in Europe and there are fans on here moaning about it?

Who cares if he’s 30 and will only be top class for another 2-3 years. Unlike FdJ, he’s actually proven himself to be truly world class in one of the best leagues in the world and is going to substantially improve our midfield.

People need to chill the feck out.

 

[Dobba]

The only one of them who turned up almost 30 was Thiago who was shite first season.

Here's a laughing emoji

I can go back to a more direct comparison and point out Makelele joined Chelsea from the same club, at the same age if you like?

 

[DevilRed]

I'll barge in and say I'm one of those who don't. Fred for me is a clear 8/CM. The embedded tweet below summarises it well.

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Casemiro as a 6/DM + Fred + another 8/CM in a three-man-midfield would be a really good midfield, perhaps excellent. Depends on the second 8/CM.

By higher up does he mean in the stands?

Because for the love of feck, we NEED to replace Fred/McT with better players. Casemiro is a start. But hopefully we get FDJ.

 

[GledTheRed]

I can go back to a more direct comparison and point out Makelele joined Chelsea from the same club, at the same age if you like?

Go for it, was he 70 million euros?

 

[Dobba]

Go for it, was he 70 million euros?

You're committed to the moaning aren't you? Bloody hell.

I can indeed confirm that transfer fees have gone up since 2003.

 

[The_Midfielder]

Let's buy another midfielder like that Real Betis midfielder and kick everybody we come across.. I would be happy if we turn into Stoke that can play

 

[Boondog]

This doesn't fix the midfield by itself but he is a huge piece. I have respected this player's game for years. Absolutely ecstatic to see him added to our team.

 

[Grande]

An absolutely typical Glazer signing. Sign a 30 and above year old player. Great player but did the same with Ronaldo, Ibrahomovic, Falacao, Cavani etc. While Real Madrid have Tchoumci and camavinga who are both under 25. And the thing is Casemerio probably has 2 to 3 years left then we have to buy another midfielder. Wouldn't suprise me if McFred are back in the starting lineup then.

You know, Slyzi, the Galzers probably can’t count to 5, they wouldn’t know the difference between 30 and 35, 25 or 30. But, Syltzi, Toumictch and cavaminga are about 30 too, so Casamiedo isn’t that old, only about 24. sorry if I misspelt your name, Sleazy17, but I’m only 18 myself(ish).

 

[USREDEVIL]

Fred ?

I mean seriously. He's going to make Fred look like a donkey. How about Eriksen with Cass. Bruno up top.

 

[Adnan]

I don't understand what we're doing.

The team lacks a metronome player in midfield still, so we go from De Jong to Casemiro?

Does our board have a plan?

He's a great player, but our approach seems so scattergun.

We need both.

 

[Okey]

This is exactly what I've been trying to say in this thread. He's a destroyer type DM, where as we need a deep lying playmaker who can shield the defence. In the form of a Carrick, Busqests type player. With Casemiro we are simply going to end up with another player in midfield who can tackle yes, nut not much else and is not good on the ball, can't carry the ball or dictate play. Unless we are signing another midfielder who can actually pull the strings on the ball then this is a bad signing.

Wow. Yes we might need more after him (it's a team game after all), but to call Casemiro a bad signing is way over the top!

 

[Betson]

We are about to sign the best defensive midfield player in Europe and there are fans on here moaning about it?

Who cares if he’s 30 and will only be top class for another 2-3 years. Unlike FdJ, he’s actually proven himself to be truly world class in one of the best leagues in the world and is going to substantially improve our midfield.

People need to chill the feck out.

Agree , we need quality now. This player has elite class quality.

If Casemiro is a failure here then the club really is a grave yard where careers go to die.

 

[GledTheRed]

You're committed to the moaning aren't you? Bloody hell.

Trying to point out the obvious, this is another short sighted Varane clicks move at a massive price.

We have no plan as a club, it's all very reactive.

 

[InspiRED]

Thank feck!

 

[groovyalbert]

Anyone getting Schweinsteiger vibes from this?

 

[USREDEVIL]

I don't understand what we're doing.

The team lacks a metronome player in midfield still, so we go from De Jong to Casemiro?

Does our board have a plan?

He's a great player, but our approach seems so scattergun.

Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

 

[FiiiiveTenHaaags]

This is actually incredible. I just took a two hour nap as I need to do a bit of work late tonight and genuinely dreamed I watched him play Monday.

We are signing a world class player in arguably our biggest position of need. And we’ve got it done within about 24 hours of it being seriously talked about.

If this doesn’t fall through last minute this is genuinely the greatest thing that’s happened to us since confirming Ten Hag. Absolutely thrilled to bits.

Everyone moaning should seriously get a bit of help. It’s not normal to be that down in the dumps lads. This is good news! He’s not too old! He’ll give us a few great seasons! If you feel a strange and unfamiliar sensation on your face, it’s called a smile - don’t panic, just let it happen.

What a fecking quality signing. Now for a striker please!

 

[SalfordRed18]

Shades of matic...

 

[mu4c_20le]

Fred has a fan club now? Fred FC? Jesus

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Casemiro is going to be playing in the Europa League anyway so I'm not entirely sure where you were going with that point on the conference. I don't see that he makes us any more likely for CL football than spending our money on younger players that we'd scouted and identified through proper process.

He's 30 years old, of course he's aging. Saying he isn't doesn't change the fact that he is. Players age differently, yes, but he could enter a decline at any point over the next few seasons. We might get lucky, we might not - the point is we're making huge concessions to get this world class player. Real know that, that's why he's not indispensable, they have the next generation coming through because they know what they're doing. They wouldn't be making this decision if he was younger, that is clear as day so they clearly don't think age is unimportant.

That shows the difference between a succession plan, and a club bungling things with totally random acquisitions that sound good and repeating the same mistakes. We should have been building a squad from the ground up and accepting a bit of growing pain if necessary, instead we're parachuting this guy in. It's like groundhog day, we've done this dance with Real last summer without great success.

Conference League is where we'll be if we're lucky next year, because we can't put our hopes on a long term strategy right now to get us out of the shit we're in. We're woefully behind our rivals and haven't got time to take a chance on some "maybes". I'd rather we did that as well but realistically we're one more feck up away from becoming 90s Liverpool.

You used ageing in a derogatory way simply because the first number in his age starts with a 3 instead of a 2 (or maybe you didn't and I'm just very defensive about age now that I've turned 35 ffs). He's a DM not a striker. He doesn't rely on raw pace. Sergio Bouquets is a full four years older than him and still playing at Barcelona. In fact, look at the best DMs in the world and tell me which ones are younger than Casemiro let alone Busquets or any of the others.

Your third point; see my first point. Short term stability first, get CL again. Then we can target players that take us up a notch on our own terms. We're unattractive right now. But as a famous scholar once said; cocks out!

 

[FiiiiveTenHaaags]

Real are like engineers or architects. Arrogant as feck but they're intelligent and no nonsense. They know what they want and they know the most practical way to get it. They build cities.

Barcelona are painters or poets. Drunk and drugged out of their skulls 99% of the time, barge their way into your house and knocking over your furniture, piss on your cat etc but somehow do it in a majestic fashion when they look like they're always going to fall over. They create art. Some of it is the Mona Lisa, some of it is a cow cut in half.

Manchester United are fighters. Come back from the pub after a double shift at the docks and are secretly hoping Billy next door complains about your overhanging tree again so you have an excuse to fecking rush him.

You'd think for a midfield general role, and one that relies on anticipating where the opponent is going to be/pass rather than raw speed, you'd want someone who is in that age sweet spot where they're highly experienced and highly athletic rather than a kid who's still relatively dumb as feck but like a puppy on pure cut speed.

I'm certain that we've become so used to being fecked over that one of us could win the Euromillions and still fall into depression thinking about how much effort it'll take to call the number to claim the winnings.

Absolutely incredible writing here. Did you do that comparison of Ronaldo to an old dog and Matic as an over the hill stripper last season? Sort of reminds me of that haha (is gonna sound very weird if that wasn’t you haha)

 

[BorisManUtd]

Anyone getting Schweinsteiger vibes from this?

Yeah

 

[FiiiiveTenHaaags]

Casemiro…Casemiroooooo…
Our midfield King, hear United sing
Casemirooooooo

 

[AshRK]

Can't believe we are finally signing a dm and that too the best fecking dm in the world.

 

[Ramshock]

Let's buy another midfielder like that Real Betis midfielder and kick everybody we come across.. I would be happy if we turn into Stoke that can play

Rodruguez. Those two infront of Martinez would be a good level of shithousery

 

[Ramshock]

Let s hope he is ready for Liverpool

 

[skc_18]

This is actually incredible. I just took a two hour nap as I need to do a bit of work late tonight and genuinely dreamed I watched him play Monday.

We are signing a world class player in arguably our biggest position of need. And we’ve got it done within about 24 hours of it being seriously talked about.

If this doesn’t fall through last minute this is genuinely the greatest thing that’s happened to us since confirming Ten Hag. Absolutely thrilled to bits.

Everyone moaning should seriously get a bit of help. It’s not normal to be that down in the dumps lads. This is good news! He’s not too old! He’ll give us a few great seasons! If you feel a strange and unfamiliar sensation on your face, it’s called a smile - don’t panic, just let it happen.

What a fecking quality signing. Now for a striker please!

Watch some FDJ youtube videos and please go back to bed.

 

[MrSingh2002]

Very different to De Jong so don't really see how this isn't a huge shift in the plan.

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Fernandes

Bruno is now the weakest link. This seems like a Matic signing. Will be top class for a season and then begin the slow decline of Casemiro.

Would people say Eriksen and Casemiro is a better midfield two than Pogba and Matic? I'd say slightly better overall.

 

[Irrational.]

Anyone getting Schweinsteiger vibes from this?

Yes. Huge contract. Probably his last big payday. In his 30s. Has already won everything (at club level at least).

But I think we’re in the minority.

 

[neverdie]

still has four years or more at top level. a very good signing.

 

[Okey]

I mean seriously. He's going to make Fred look like a donkey. How about Eriksen with Cass. Bruno up top.

They literally play together for Brazil. And right in here we comment on how Fred looks so much better playing there. So...

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Absolutely incredible writing here. Did you do that comparison of Ronaldo to an old dog and Matic as an over the hill stripper last season? Sort of reminds me of that haha (is gonna sound very weird if that wasn’t you haha)

I don't think I did(?!) I'm rather lenient when it comes to age because I'm an old fecker myself nowadays. If you find those though please let me know!

 

[Jaonz]

Oh yeah. A world class DM! Dont care about the amount of money for his service. Definitely an upgrade of mcfred. Whether he can coup with premier league or not, that's another story for discussion as the games progress.

 

[Garethw]

Anyone getting Schweinsteiger vibes from this?

Not at all.

 

[the_cliff]

I hope people know what they're getting with Casemiro. He's not the best on the ball but is an absolute beast defensively.

People expecting him to be some insane DLP need their head shaking.

 

[Just Hope]

60 million on a 30 year old. Hard to believe this is the best that the brains trust at United could come up with. Real are quite happy to punt him out the door for this kind of silly money, knowing full well it's in a normal club's interest to shift aging players for huge money. We shouldn't be operating like this, we should have had 4-5 solid upcoming names of the right profile earlier in the summer instead of pissing around then panicking on aging legs.

Oh well, I guess it's time to pray that he adjusts to the PL very quickly.

Please understand that we are not the club we used to be. We don't have Sir Alex, the last time we won the league was 10 years ago, we can't guarantee champions league football.

Why would an upcoming player chose to come here? Don't get me wrong, the scenario you are describing is ideal, but unrealistic.

What we need right now is to stablish a team of experience players and achieve success in the short term, THEN look to attract promising youngsters.

 

[Bluelion7]

Congratulations. Massive gain for your team. I would think other players trying to give less than full effort around Casemiro will not find much sympathy.

People laughed at us for signing Silva at 35, and it has absolutely changed many of our players.

You’re getting Casemiro at 30. He’s still in his prime really.

Definitely keep your eye on the prize with the Glazers, but this is big news.

I would pull Bruno fir the start of next game. Let Casemiro anchor, play Fred, and give Eriksen a shot up top where he plays best.

At the very least you can immediately set the message Bruno needs to be on his game and consistent to get time. And if you do get De Jong? Wow.

 

[InspiRED]

It’s not the long term planning and efficiency we should be showing, but let’s not kid ourselves, we are fighting a fecking fire and we have got in one of the best firefighters around. This is a desperately needed addition.

 

[Abraxas]

Agree , we need quality now. This player has elite class quality.

If Casemiro is a failure here then the club really is a grave yard where careers go to die.

But the players aren't all magically failures because they cross the white line at Old Trafford. We're not cursed.

It's because we have zero ideas about what we're doing in the market. We don't seem to know how we're going to play, who suits it, how to get the right blend of legs and technique into a side, how to ensure a good balance of age profiles (see striker where we consistently sign pensioners)

Yet we are doing the exact same thing we have been season after season that is indicative of our muddled thinking and then fans get blinded by the name Casimero. He's world class, he'll propel us, the usual arguments.

Signing a guy seemingly on a whim because a big club have put him on the market, signing at the last minute, signing an aging star, all the usual indicators of how we operate yet many people seem to just get attached to the name in question as a defence for what we're doing.

How many times will we be seduced by names ahead of good process and then act surprised when the squad is random and failing and the individual quality of the players doesn't make any impact? We seem to go around in circles, the fans and also more worryingly the club.

 

[the_cliff]

Very different to De Jong so don't really see how this isn't a huge shift in the plan.

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Fernandes

Bruno is now the weakest link. This seems like a Matic signing. Will be top class for a season and then begin the slow decline of Casemiro.

Would people say Eriksen and Casemiro is a better midfield two than Pogba and Matic? I'd say slightly better overall.

I reckon it will be more like:

Fred - Casemiro
Eriksen

I think this signing will be the end for Bruno. (I hope so).