Says who?!
So word means nothing? Very corporate. I’m actually surprised at you!
Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.
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Some of you "United fans" need to give your head a wobble.
It's one thing to defend Ajax here, I can understand that.
It's another to start flinging insults or arguing with other United fans to defend Ajax's position.
It's one thing to defend Ajax here, I can understand that.
It's another to start flinging insults or arguing with other United fans to defend Ajax's position.
He’s already doing it by refusing to train and play games.
do you think he’ll give 100% or just go through motion until the WC start and then again engineer a move?
I’m pretty sure if Ajax don’t sell now they will get nowhere near that value WC or not.
It's difficult to fault Ajax here. It's very late in the window and the replacement has been deemed to expensive for them.
With Martial now injured again we should walk away from this deal and try to sign a striker instead.
With Martial now injured again we should walk away from this deal and try to sign a striker instead.
He says he told them about his two year project in the interview, so he himself
Yep, indeed. But if one party suddenly agrees "feck it, I'm not feeling it anymore", the other party is perfectly within their rights to kindly tell him to feck off and point to the contract they signed.
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Hence why it's laughable all the people downplaying the astronomical amounts they've been offered
I didn't really fancy him at the beginning I'll be honest. He's good but not generational talent good who we should splash this kind of money. Also now Ajax is determined that he's not for sale I think we should respect their position. Antony is not the first and definitely won't be the last players from Ajax who will caught our attention and I can bet on that. I rather we have a good relationship with Ajax and not jeopardies future deals.
Exactly. Everyone surely sees that? So is Ten Haag and all our technical and recruitment team saying - 'In 3 years with the right development we will have the next Raphina. Pay Ajax whatever they want' And the same on Ajax's side are they saying 'Lets hold out we have the next Raphina here. in a few years he will be worth well over 100 mill?'
Why have they gone mental if they think his level is Raphina?
Ajax have lost their minds rejecting these bids.
The market is completely fecked and has been for years now.
The market is completely fecked and has been for years now.
Kane scored 17 goals and assisted 9 times in the Premier League alone the season after he threw a fit, didn't turn up for training, and told every man in the street he wanted to leave Tottenham for City last summer.
This whole "oh he will sulk, he'll run his contract down, he'll be unmotivated" is just scare mongering. Once the transfer window closes, unhappy players simply return to work and get back to business with their tail between their legs.
You must know, that there is a good chance that Huntelaar and Hamstra are going back on an agreement he's made with Overmars.
But these agreements, should always be worded properly in letter.
But these agreements, should always be worded properly in letter.
In Spain by convention all players have release clauses, so they put them in at absurd levels to stop them being used. However in England they don't usually put them in at all, so if one's in there's, its at a level that is vaguely affordable.
They must surely be aware of that. Even if they sell him for £40m next window, they will have still doubled their money so perhaps they don't really care.
My dismay at capitalism is ideological, not onlyvwhen it doesn't suit my wishes. And I do want this lad to sign.. I tend not to have subjective discussion on ideology because ones emotions often obscure the cold facts
If you lot want a good conversation on the nature of contracts and which party they favour most then create a thread.
If our players wanted out I fear you'd not be as consistent.
And this 'word' is hearsay, I'm surprised at you!
Was that Kane’s peak? I’m fairly sure I remember him being shit for half a season and a manager being sacked. Well done though - you’ve found an example. Clearly a player doesn’t perform at their best when happy. No link there at all.
This doesn't make much sense. It's okay to defend Ajax, but not if it's against the opinion of a United fan? Surely it's right or wrong to do so irrespective of the fans allegiance, shouldn't it be right or wrong in principle? What are you even trying to say?
We have different opinions, what's the point in backslapping each other just because we're United fans no matter how illogical you believe a point of view to be?
Rooney arguably played his best football after wanting to leave for the first time. Lewandowski had no issues performing for Dortmund when they didn't sell him to Bayern. There are endless examples
So you don’t think he got any positive encouragement from Ajax when he agreed to sign?
He just told them what he wanted to do then signed anyway?!
Ajax have lost their minds as much as United have.
If you think this bid is insane, surely United is insane too. Let all be insane.
Same thing as with Sancho. Dortmund didn't want to sell, so they set the asking price to £120M, next summer they were willing to sell and we signed him for £75M. If we wait he will not cost €100M.
Yea exactly my thought, i think one of the reason we didn't rush on the deal aside the FDJ known factor is probably because after we had our first bid rejected, we could have been baking on other clubs to make a bid that would be accepted by Ajax, we intercept with better terms and get him in on our own terms which we feel it's fair enough.
Looking back at Malacia deal, i think this was probably our strategy for this summer, we know clubs would want to take us to the cleaners so we tried this approach but now seeing no other club came for him in that time and he's obviously a player the manager wanted, we had to come back to the negotiation table ourselve, Right now the strategy has backfired.
They can lose. They can certainly be in a much worse position than before we bid.
Keep an unhappy player whose form crashes. Lose.
Reputation as a nurturing club for new talent trashed. Lose.
Accept a huge offer on deadline day leaving no time to replace (consolation of big fee but should have done the deal much earlier). Lose.
How’s keeping a moody player that they have no replacement for helping them to compete? You know how Cristiano is affecting the dressing room at United and giving half arsed effort when he’s on.
When a player wants to go and goes public like that he won’t hold a value much longer.
Especially when we’re talking about hundreds of millions here.
If Ajax want to keep that game going we have to switch to another target and revisit next year. It’s clear he wants to join us so let him stink up the place for a year and reduce his value.
On the face of it it seems risky, given Anthony has thrown his toys out of the pram and that United are the only team that want him.
I am sure Ajax understand that risk, but something is telling them that they can squeeze more out of United.
He'd be minded to look at the examples of the players I listed above (all of whom either eventually got their moves or became happy enough and got bumper new contracts) vs say.....Berahino, who doubled down and utterly destroyed his career.
Nobody outside the fans of the 7-8 super clubs has ever espoused this view like I've said and a 19 year old South American trying to make their big break in Europe is not going to turn their noses up at a club that develops young players, plays (well) in the CL consistently, wins trophies, has one of the greatest histories on the continent and pays them much more than any club in South America will. Unless of course like I said they're a Neymar/ Vicinius level talent who's being chased straight away by Real/Barca.
Because the most realistic alternative for these players if they turn that move down is that they fade into obscurity and their careers never go anywhere, which is what will happen with the majority of these teens.
At least it can go nowhere while they get paid lots of money if they go to Ajax.
Yeah they are geniuses keeping a player who's pretty much on strike and desperate to leave.
That would reflect very poorly on Ajax
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Ay fecking men. When it was reported earlier we were considering 70m euros Ajax fans were laughing! now look at it.
50/60m was fair and we've even gone above that to appease them, and they're still refusing. It's just nuts.
Thought Ajax were smart but alas
Wait, are you saying in all seriousness that length of contract doesn't protect a club's interests? Like, a club's DOF, their lawyers and money men sit down and agree to pay a wage to a player for whatever length of time, and that agreement isn't also to their benefit? Seriously? Why would they do it?
And you've just answered your own question with the second paragraph.
We should walk away.
Why not put it in the contract?
Kane usually hits 30 so yeah, that's quite a drop in production.
You don't think he will want to play for Brazil at the World Cup?
Because there is only one way that will happen if he stays at Ajax.
A club like Ajax dont care about the extra 50m? Right.
I wasn't part of their meeting, maybe he didn't even tell them, maybe they promised him the stars. Or it was something simple like saying 'sure, we'll sell you for a suitable offer as long as we haven't shipped out half our starting XI the same summer'
Ajax are crazy but that's their choice. We should not go crazy like this, back away now
We need to do right by him and keep going on this deal till the very end. He has shown full commitment to join. Even if it doesn't happen it would be very poor showing from us to ditch him now and would all but close the chapter on the player ever joining us again. But my goodness, why always us? They stated a price range early in the window for the player. We dilly dallied for two months, made a clearly useless offer, walked away completely when they understandably rejected it because it did not meet their price range, then came back in a panic after getting destroyed in the first two games of the season and now we're here. What a complete sh*tshow. Its almost always us caught up in situations like this.
Lots of players have had transfer requests turned down. And then performed well.
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