We will probably walk away, he stays on strike or downs his tools, come back in January and sign him for 30m.
Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.
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If he might come, what is Ajax’s aim? To get more money? I thought the word is they don’t want to sell?
We can’t know they are playing it perfectly or not until we see what happens - will Ajax be better off than if they had accepted the large bid?
Did they agree that he could leave? If not then they haven't gone back on their word, surely that's obvious.
That was the discussion. He's posting his opinion, I'm saying it's biased
how the feck do I know
according to Antony yes.I think Ajax are daft for turning down this offer but I thought the same about PSG turning down 160m for Mbappe last summer and Dortmund refusing to let Haaland go last summer for over 100m.
There are other factors at play why a club may turn down a daft offer especially when they could still make a healthy (even if less profit) next summer.
I think this will get done and we'll end up paying the 100m they want. Worry is that if we don't make the offer soon they might jack up the price if we come calling on deadline day.
There are other factors at play why a club may turn down a daft offer especially when they could still make a healthy (even if less profit) next summer.
I think this will get done and we'll end up paying the 100m they want. Worry is that if we don't make the offer soon they might jack up the price if we come calling on deadline day.
Let's walk away from a player desperate to join United, and instead try to sign a player desperate to not join United. Genius
You're on redcafe, not red and white cafe.
What a dickhead. Wanted the financial security of a 5-year deal should he flop in Europe, and was too scared to bet on himself by only signing a 2-year deal. Can't have it both ways.
Maybe, maybe not.
It’s clear the guy wants to move. He’s skipping training and refusing to play. If they don’t sell this year they will have a very unhappy player that would sulk the place for a year with his value going down the crapper.
I doubt any club would want to go down that road. Yes they would make a “statement” but a what price?
I mean either they keep one of their best players or they get an even more overly inflated fee to compensate for losing him this late, 2 pretty good results for them I would suggest.
We have the worst negotiators on the planet. Forget about football, these losers wouldn't be able to negotiate a decent price of potato, in an Istanbul bazaar.
They do everything the worst way: not setting deadlines, being desparate, having no alternative options, waiting until the last second...
It's as if they don't really want to buy, or they are completely incompetent, or both.
What a fecking train wreck
They do everything the worst way: not setting deadlines, being desparate, having no alternative options, waiting until the last second...
It's as if they don't really want to buy, or they are completely incompetent, or both.
What a fecking train wreck
You missed the point about the 2 years, I'm saying neither side can decide a 5 year contract is not just tgat. Their brand can only be strengthened by this stand off. Ask a non united supporter.
Honestly we should leave. It sets a bad precedent to be fleeced like that. We did good walking away from Rabiot and Arnautovic, now is the time to leave this behind, too as much as I would want him. We're already offering stupid money and if they don't want to accept this, then whatever - surely there are targets out there that can do a better job than what we have for way less money.
It's a more than fair price in your opinion.
Which is fine, you can have a view on what you think a price is, but fairness is probably not high on the agenda for football clubs. Never has been, let's not delude ourselves into thinking they consider anyone but themselves, and that goes for us too.
The key being, you're not Ajax, you don't really know how selling him now impacts their prospects. You don't really know how good he is, whereas they have a fair idea of his potential. You perhaps haven't taken into account that they also have a plan, they've already lost some players and eventually they have to also have an opinion on their own squad and not just be washed over by every wave that hits them because we think they should because we want a new toy.
So maybe Ajax's fair price for selling this player at this stage and yours is different for quite explainable reasons.
According to him where? He said he told them he wanted to leave, I don't see where he's said that was approved. You're the one who said they went back on their word, now you have no idea.how the feck do I know
Haaland also wanted a release clause when Man Utd were trying to purchase him and from all reports seems to have a couple in his Man City contract too.
Some of you have your heads in the clouds to think that a teen South American who isn't a Neymar like talent will turn their nose up at going to Ajax in the future, undoubtedly one of the best clubs in Europe to be a young player.
It's also incredibly churlish to think long contracts only protect clubs. Yeah it's great for Ajax that Anthony fulfilled his potential. What if he didn't, as so many don't? He'd be sitting pretty, on a salary far higher than any he'd get in Brazil and going nowhere most likely unless another club offered a similar salary or Ajax agreed to subsidise his salary.
It goes both ways.
They literally can't lose. They want to hold they player but if they lose him it's for a small fortune. It's what their fans wouod want.
Who says they need months? Even then Antony is clearly saying he told them back in February that he wanted to leave.
I know early transfers is preferable but let’s not pretend making g a bid with a third of the transfer window left is somehow late.
I’m not defending the club, I’m seeing the player himself state that he told the club many times this year, never mind this summer, that he was set on a move. Even then we literally meet their price each step of the way! What should we do, offer more than they’re asking? It’s their indecisiveness that’s stringing this along.
It doesn’t always have to be Man Utd bad. Another club can feck up their window as well.
No player has ever been valued more in Holland and its not as if he's the greatest player to ever step foot in the Eredivisie. The offers rejected have been absolutely more than fair
The difference is £9m. feck it, get it done
You're a head of sense today.
At least he's consistent about being a cnut. Who knows, Ajacieden may come to share my opinion of him after all 
We don't set the price, they do.
No player has ever been valued more in Holland and its not as if he's the greatest player to ever step foot in the Eredivisie. The offers rejected have been absolutely more than fair
That's literally how football has always worked.
If they are holding out for 100m Euros, then thats their perogative
Are you being stupid on purpose? Antony clearly states they had an agreement which is why he's so angry.
How else are we supposed to know the situation
Or he signed a longer contract so he will have a higher transfer value which benefits the clubs who gave him the opportunity. Especially given the sell on clause for Sao Paulo
What a dickhead. Wanted the financial security of a 5-year deal should he flop in Europe, and was too scared to bet on himself by only signing a 2-year deal. Can't have it both ways.
Some people are still romantics.
I know, but i'm absolutely neutral on this deal. I don't want him to leave Ajax, but i also want him at Utd. So i can now finally see how both sides react and it's not looking great for the Utd Side, it's full of petulant children that throw away any logic because all they think is that Ajax is a very small club that shouldn't be able to refuse bids this high, even though Ajax is very rich and can reject it with ease.
Can'r really question the guy's desire to come here. I hope we can make it happen for him
Is it? Wasn't the asking price lower not long ago? 80 million or so?
And it cuts both ways: why should I believe everything/anything Ajax say?
He doesn'tAre you being stupid on purpose? Antony clearly states they had an agreement which is why he's so angry.
How else are we supposed to know the situation
Yeah I'm sure he was also having Ajax' financials in mind back then. That might be how clubs think, but players don't give a feck.
Ajax should hire you if they want to miss out on millions but be loved by opposition fans.
No player has ever been valued more in Holland and its not as if he's the greatest player to ever step foot in the Eredivisie. The offers rejected have been absolutely more than fair
And when you add money and they accept it it will still be the largest fee ever for an Eredivise player.
They will have a numerical figure that they will feel is fair due to the fact they have little to no time to replace him (because you still haven't offered them what they want) and if you compensate that they will leave.
They are under no obligation to accept what United/Antony or anyone else feels is a fair offer.
How are they strengthening their brand? Their entire model is based around buying rising starlets from smaller leagues and developing them, whilst offering a shop window to the big fish in larger leagues.Talented young players sign for them because they know they’re a selling club.
We've always known he is a cnut, but there is no problem if he's on your sideAt least he's consistent about being a cnut. Who knows, Ajacieden may come to share my opinion of him after all
I guarantee you we know the asking price, but also know that the closer to the end of the window we get, the more difficult Antony will become. We're trying to get him cheaper, Ajax are trying to get as much money as possible - in the middle is an inexperienced kid who doesn't get what is happening and is scared to death he won't be allowed his dream move.
This will either be a Sancho type deal where we wait until next summer, or we will plonk down the 100M and sign him before the window closes.
Yes some players do.
Why would he even mention the 2 year project and asking them to leave twice if he didn't?He doesn't
The club did too. Length of contract protects the club just as much. Why were you lot so desperate to tie Salah down? Certainly not for his financial security!
What a dickhead. Wanted the financial security of a 5-year deal should he flop in Europe, and was too scared to bet on himself by only signing a 2-year deal. Can't have it both ways.
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