Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.

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Looks a very exciting player for sure. His numbers at Ajax were nothing special but he looks like a player that could take fans off their chairs and could possibly grow to be quite efficient too. I won’t get super excited before I see him play well at United though as I felt exactly the same way about Sancho and that has not worked out at all.
 

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Don't look at him only by his goals. As a reminder these are Ronaldo's first three seasons at United:
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2004/2005Manchester United33 (0)5
2003/2004Manchester United29 (0)4

Nobody expected that skinny kid to be a world beater. But one thing was clear since the beginning, he was super talented and could get past defenders with ease.
 

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I was going to ask earlier how long until he has 1 bad performance and opposition fans say something like "Love watching the 100m Jarrod Bowen" or some other random player. Bowen was the one I had in mind because it was most predictable.

You didn't even wait for him to play for us. Good job.
Jarrod Bowen got 12 goals and 10 assists in league last season. He was one of the most productive wingers in the country. Plus, he would cost roughly the same as Anthony. So even if you have bought the Brazilian Bowen for 100m Euros, that would still be a decent signing.
 

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All you have to do is look at that Antony passing video posted a few pages back to realise that it's almost miraculous he doesn't have a shit ton more assists. A good number of those chances he created were practically gimmes that were somehow squandered time and time again.
 

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The issue is that transfer budgets are finite. Every penny we spend on this guy is money we don't spend on someone else. Overpaying on him could mean that our budget for a right back drops from £40M to £20M next summer, for example. Or it could mean we can't afford even a backup striker for this season. In isolation the number attached to his transfer is neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned, but I am worried about the knock on effect for future transfer windows.
There is absolutely no proof that saving £10/£15/£20 million on this transfer would then see us spend that exact amount on another player. Its clear that budgets aren’t finite but I also think that Football manager-cation of club finances isn’t the correct way to look at things either, EtH wouldn’t have received an email his first day in the job with a toggle between wages & transfer budget.

We weren’t getting Antony for anything less so worrying about the knock on effects of an uncertain future makes little sense.
 

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First of, I love this signing. Finally some charisma and some flair. Lovely!

Then, let's say he takes the world with storm, excel at the World Cup and makes himself a true superstar. How long will it take before he, like all other South American players, starts to moan about going to "oh mighty" Barcelona or Real Madrid. "They have always been my favorite clubs".

Or is that a thing of the past?
 

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Don't look at him only by his goals. As a reminder these are Ronaldo's first three seasons at United:
2005/2006Manchester UnitedApps
33 (0)
Goals
9
2004/2005Manchester United33 (0)5
2003/2004Manchester United29 (0)4

Nobody expected that skinny kid to be a world beater. But one thing was clear since the beginning, he was super talented and could get past defenders with ease.
Unfair to compare him to the best player ever (possibly).

But if he gets to anywhere near his level I'd be happy. In fact, I was expecting him to maybe replicate Nani. Inconsistent but a world beater on his day. Will take time to mature.
 

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He will probably be targeted with hard tackles and what not to deter from showboating and scare him to submission.
 

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First of, I love this signing. Finally some charisma and some flair. Lovely!

Then, let's say he takes the world with storm, excel at the World Cup and makes himself a true superstar. How long will it take before he, like all other South American players, starts to moan about going to "oh mighty" Barcelona or Real Madrid. "They have always been my favorite clubs".

Or is that a thing of the past?
Who knows, every player is different. We just need to get back to winning things and minimize the chances of good players wanting to leave, and deal with those situations as they come.
 

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Don't look at him only by his goals. As a reminder these are Ronaldo's first three seasons at United:
2005/2006Manchester UnitedApps
33 (0)
Goals
9
2004/2005Manchester United33 (0)5
2003/2004Manchester United29 (0)4

Nobody expected that skinny kid to be a world beater. But one thing was clear since the beginning, he was super talented and could get past defenders with ease.
Lots of people are forgetting that skinny kid was 18. What were his stats at 22?
 

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Don't look at him only by his goals. As a reminder these are Ronaldo's first three seasons at United:
2005/2006Manchester UnitedApps
33 (0)
Goals
9
2004/2005Manchester United33 (0)5
2003/2004Manchester United29 (0)4

Nobody expected that skinny kid to be a world beater. But one thing was clear since the beginning, he was super talented and could get past defenders with ease.
While I take the stats point, his sub debut was the most exciting debut I had ever seen and it seemed obvious that he WOULD be a world beater. As someone else mentioned he was only 18 too.

Let’s just hope Antony is terrific in his own right, and adds frequent gamechanging nous to his industry and skill.
 

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Really excited to have him here. We've been crying out for a high quality left footed player on the wing and we finally have one.

Will add so much more balance to our attack.
 

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Lots of people are forgetting that skinny kid was 18. What were his stats at 22?
18 or 22 what's the difference, we have seen so many young talents that failed. My point is to look at the overall performances rather than goals and assists and that players below 25 can still improve by a lot.
 

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Is he potential Ballon dor material?
Definitely.

He has all the technical ability, flair and personality to become absolutely world class. And from there it’s about having in the right system that allows him to maximize his potential and enter the Ballon D’or race.

Is he Ronaldo? No, but no one in history has been that good. But he can most definitely reach the heights of the likes of Robben, Ribery, Bale etc

He may or may not reach that level, but if he shows the right desire and determination then he has the talent to follow through
 

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Lots of people are forgetting that skinny kid was 18. What were his stats at 22?
I mean, simple maths tells you that the last season listed there ended when he was 21, so it’s vastly different from how you’re attempting to paint it.

Salah’s numbers also aren’t incomparab to Antony’s at the same age, and that was in Egypt and Switzerland so an even lower level.
 

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I mean, simple maths tells you that the last season listed there ended when he was 21, so it’s vastly different from how you’re attempting to paint it.

Salah’s numbers also aren’t incomparab to Antony’s at the same age, and that was in Egypt and Switzerland so an even lower level.
No one paid 100m for those guys, though
 

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I mean the transfer market has gone even stupider in the time since then, so that’s also a daft comment. Nobody was spending 100 million for Núñez then either.

Transfer fees aren’t comparable in that way
Okay, true. Neither United nor Chelsea made Ronaldo or Salah their record signing or close to it. Better?
 

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18 or 22 what's the difference, we have seen so many young talents that failed. My point is to look at the overall performances rather than goals and assists and that players below 25 can still improve by a lot.
I agree that stats are not the end all be all, just the comparison was a bit disingenuous. Someone mentioned that he could be what Neymar could've been because of the attitude. I'd be very happy if he could be like first season Pulisic, who I thought looked the dogs bollocks until he lost his confidence. He could be what pulisuc was supposed to be.
 

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Definitely.

He has all the technical ability, flair and personality to become absolutely world class. And from there it’s about having in the right system that allows him to maximize his potential and enter the Ballon D’or race.

Is he Ronaldo? No, but no one in history has been that good. But he can most definitely reach the heights of the likes of Robben, Ribery, Bale etc

He may or may not reach that level, but if he shows the right desire and determination then he has the talent to follow through
Off topic here, but Ribery was wayyyy inferior to Robben
 

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We’re only a few seasons away from the first 200m transfer fee.

Antony will be a brilliant addition to the squad. Strength in playing through the tackle, left footer, audacity.
 

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Its been a long time since we had some shithousers in the team.

Far too long we've been signing soft touches like lindelof and the like. Its time for us to bully people.
Yeah loved that scrap with Nunez, imagine that at packed Anfield later in season
 

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I agree that stats are not the end all be all, just the comparison was a bit disingenuous. Someone mentioned that he could be what Neymar could've been because of the attitude. I'd be very happy if he could be like first season Pulisic, who I thought looked the dogs bollocks until he lost his confidence. He could be what pulisuc was supposed to be.
Genuinely hate when are lot do that, Rashford/Mbappe, Martial/Henry, Sancho/generational talent. Would settle for him just making the right side his and improving the team as a whole leave the Ballon D'or talk till he's at least had a good season ffs.
 

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No. He is 22 and not in the same league as top top players.
Barely played a game at 22 years of age though. Turned 22 at the end of Feb then got injured most of his stats/appearances so far have been those of a >21 year old.

Wingers at that age are usually pretty inconsistent, go look at Salah, Mane or Mahrez at that same age.
 

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Don't look at him only by his goals. As a reminder these are Ronaldo's first three seasons at United:
2005/2006Manchester UnitedApps
33 (0)
Goals
9
2004/2005Manchester United33 (0)5
2003/2004Manchester United29 (0)4

Nobody expected that skinny kid to be a world beater. But one thing was clear since the beginning, he was super talented and could get past defenders with ease.
Ronaldo was an 18 year old kid who had played a handful of first team games when we signed him. Antony is about to sign for his 3rd club and is a Brazil International
 

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I think age 25 is actually at a very good age to maximize fee, as we’ve seen in the past, world record transfer is Neymar at 25.

And I wouldn’t say Antony has higher ceiling than Raphinha, even though he is 3 years younger. I have watched their game in Brazil shirts, they look almost identical in talent, with Raphinha look even more electrifying/impactful. Younger doesn’t necessarily means better talent, as Antony isn’t really some 18 year kid type of unpolished raw talent, although he could still improve his decision making and end products. But in terms of pace/trickery/skills/electrifying footwork, 22-23 is actually near the peak age.

Messi and Ronaldo at around 22-23 is at their Ballon D’or peak level. Mbappe or Haaland at 22-23 is already among top top player in the world. For trickery/skilful attacking winger, usually at around 22-27 would be their peak years.

Below is their game earlier this year in the same Brazil game, against same opponents, for comparison:

One thing I know for sure is Chelsea, Arsenal and Barcelena fought for Raphinha's signature in the beginning of the window, and these clubs showed no interest in Antony.
 
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