Best and Charlton could be argued. And you also have to consider, Ronaldos best years were not spent at Utd. Would Juve consider Ronaldo the best to ever play for them?
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George best is no where near the GOAT debate so yes.
Zero debate.
One is debated vs Pele Messi and Maradona the other is not even in the top 10 all time.
No disrespect but their are levels to this.
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So like I said that is an entirely different debate in my view. For example if you ask me is Ronaldo the greatest Manchester United player ever I would not even say he is Top 5 for the reasons you mentioned.
Now if the question is the greatest player to ever wear a Manchester United jersey jersey then yes obviously Ronaldo.
Same with Juve. Look at the records he was breaking at 35 years old in Juve.
Ronaldo is compared to only 3 other players in history. The list is that small. Fans hating him now does not change that.
Saying a fact makes me a fan boy?
Tell me where George best is mentioned on the same breath as pele Maradona and Messi.
Ronaldo along with the other 3 are easily the 4 greatest players in the history of the sport.
This non sensical hate is bewildering.
So is Ronaldo leaving then, or not?
Is he staying then?
Ten Haag going to have fun giving him endless starts in the europa to get his intensity up.
Ten Haag going to have fun giving him endless starts in the europa to get his intensity up.
Terrible news that he's staying.
Hopefully he picks it up and gets going somewhat, because he looked dreadful vs Southampton.
Hopefully he picks it up and gets going somewhat, because he looked dreadful vs Southampton.
Haaland only completed 6 passes in the first half. Didnt exactly do much other than the incredible feet of scoring 3 goals. Goal scorers can still work in the game. If he gets in those positions, the legs and work around him. Someone who can finish like he can will always be an asset.
“no disrespect “ usually precedes some clear disrespect or ignorance as it does in this instance.
Your immediate dismissal of one of the best players ever to play the game (and one who gave much more of a shit about Utd and who had a far bigger effect on the club as a whole) is telling.
Ronaldo’s 6 years vs best’s 11 years I know what I would choose.
oh yeah and best, whilst he may have been a piss artist and a scoundrel was not a narcissistic egotistical prick.
So there is that as well……..
Ok so yet again for now the third time your missing the point.
I don’t care about who gave a shit about what. That has nothing to do with my point.
Is best more important to Manchester United’s history ? Yes I agree with you.
Is best the greatest player to ever wear the United shirt? Not even close. That would be Ronaldo.
You and I are talking about two very completely different things. So wipe your tears and read what I am saying for now the third time.
The biggest, the greatest, the best, whatever word you want to use that means the same player to wear the United shirt is easily and I mean easily Ronaldo.
Now once again, is Ronaldo the greatest Manchester United player? Obviously not. Rooney, Giggs, best, charlton, etc are all ahead.
We are talking very different things here.
Also “no disrespect” does not mean disrespect. Their is no shame in not being in a top 10 all time list as that is a very exclusive list.
Now what would be disrespectful is comparing Ronaldo to Best as they are on very different spectrums in the history of the sport.
We’ll obviously disagree.
Ronaldo’s best years were playing for Madrid where he was undeniably in the top 5 players ever to play the game.
For his Utd years I don’t think you could say that. One ballon d’or yes, but top 5 ever? Whilst playing for Utd? Not even close.
Couldn't give a rats arse if Jesus Christ himself wanted to buy the club. The facts are the facts. We got quality players in in the last few weeks. Ronaldo will no longer be surrounded by dross and we're actively looking to move on the deadwood as well.
Next window there will be more players coming and going. Ten Hag alluded to that just yesterday.
The manager is being backed by the club to get the players he needs.
Ok what are you talking about?
I am talking about in general. Ronaldo is the best player to ever wear a United shirt.
Ok ok let’s use Messi as an example.
He is the greatest player to ever wear the PSG jersey. Get it? He is the most renown name to play for Paris.
Mbappe though might end up being the greatest PSG player ever but Messi is the best player to ever wear the shirt.
Maybe now we can understand each other with that example.
Anyone who thinks CR should stay to "help" the team is understandably seeing this question through the lenses of a Manchester United supporter. It's understandable but it makes no sense. Cristiano Ronaldo is not a Gareth Barry. Never will be.
I'll lose a lot of the respect I have for a player who is 1 in a billion, considered by a significant number of people to be the best footballer ever, who has abdicated from a lavish lifestyle to become the greatest and scores 24 goals in his 19th season, if he accepts to be a spare wheel for any club that is not a contender to win the Champions League, let alone not even playing in it. Any club.
I must add that this bloodbath the German and Spanish clubs plus the media have been giving CR is not unexpected. They were humiliated time and time again by this guy. Bayern and Atletico would rather be relegated than sign him. Plus any mediocre club wants to say they're not interested in CR these days, just because the hatred is too strong.
But the real reason behind all this bedlam is that many of his "friends" around the world want to make sure that he goes to Qatar completely demoralized and out of shape. This is all about that.
Let's wait for 11 pm later today.
I'll lose a lot of the respect I have for a player who is 1 in a billion, considered by a significant number of people to be the best footballer ever, who has abdicated from a lavish lifestyle to become the greatest and scores 24 goals in his 19th season, if he accepts to be a spare wheel for any club that is not a contender to win the Champions League, let alone not even playing in it. Any club.
I must add that this bloodbath the German and Spanish clubs plus the media have been giving CR is not unexpected. They were humiliated time and time again by this guy. Bayern and Atletico would rather be relegated than sign him. Plus any mediocre club wants to say they're not interested in CR these days, just because the hatred is too strong.
But the real reason behind all this bedlam is that many of his "friends" around the world want to make sure that he goes to Qatar completely demoralized and out of shape. This is all about that.
Let's wait for 11 pm later today.
In my defense I never brought up the whole Glazers thing. All I said was they were only showing ambition because someone wants to buy the club and they won't spend much next summer. Jev then brought up the whole Glazers spend big every year. Apologies for derailing the thread. Will keep it on topic.
Comfortably a better footballer as always. But keep derailing this thread with your insecurities guys. It seems you lot can never focus on the club we support instead moving towards obsessive and pointless player rivalries which you're all more passionate about, oddly enough.
Absurd is the fact that you didn't read the discourse before wading in. It's about extending Ronaldo's contract. Why on earth would we keep him here another year?
Blame this chap.
Guys, just say nice stuff about Ronaldo at all times. Alright? Thanks.
Ronaldo during his first stint with United is probably the most talented in terms of individual skills ever seen at Old Trafford, other than George Best of course.
People here are so disrespectful to one of the all time greats to ever grace this game. Throughout his career Ronaldo showed that he is of a generational talent, and even in the disfunctional team of last year, he was our leading goal scorer and our best player. If Ronaldo was to play in a functional team and a possession based team like man city or barcelona, he would be scoring as many goals as Haaland and Lewandowski. It is just sad to see Ronaldo's reputation ripped apart because he is under the wrong manager, asked to run around the pitch using all his energy for this so called "press", and the service from the disfunctional team is just dreadful. No other player that played for united was deemed to be of GOAT calibre like Ronaldo. If you brought Haaland to United and played him in the stiker position he would proabably have two goals by now instead of 9. Martial and Rashford will never even have 1/10th of the achievements that Ronaldo had in his career. Putting those three players in the same sentence is just outright disrespect
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We had an entire discussion after this bud, why are you requoting the old original post, obsessed much? Haha. Get used to saying nice stuff about Ronaldo kiddo, he’s going to be our starting striker this year.
Get in. Backup striker and injury insurance sorted. Nice opportunity to make up to the club leading us to CL qualification with a strong Europa campaign.
Gonna quote this at the end of the year if he doesn’t leave. Keep this same energy.
His cameo vs Southampton was so bad, not sure if that's because of lacking match fitness or age.Is he staying then?
Ten Haag going to have fun giving him endless starts in the europa to get his intensity up.
Shame the CF who can offer a lot is injury prone and the other CF we have is Rashford who is just very poor. We won't have other choice but to play Ronaldo and players like Bruno, Dalot will have there lines messed up in their head, they will execute only one code "find Ronaldo and play the pass to him".
Hopefully we sign someone like Depay.
Yeap. It was shocking how bad it was.
Poor passing and first touch or he just had no clue how to translate ETH's instructions into action. His confusion or inability to translate may have added to his poor performance.
It may be 10 v 11 for a while until Ronaldo learns or is willing to learn ETH's tactics.
Well done on admitting that you derailed the thread due your insatiable appetite for infantile fanboism. A step in the right direction.
Haha.
Lose what? The Europa trophy?
tbf It was a done deal once he refused to forego his wages. Paying him to sit in Portugal doing nothing became literally more beneficial than paying to play for another club
Quote from Pele this year ”George Best until today is a footballer without comparison and his technical skills will never be forgotten.”
It's not like we had identified a replacement anyway. So while he didn't fine a suitable club we didn't find another striker either. So we have to make the best of it and try to get things to click.
It's not just him that plays bad, for some reasons players around him tries to find him when the match situation is to kill the time by going to corner flag and slow down the tempo. It's like there is some contractual obligation to make him score goal all the time.
It's so terrible, Bruno is the biggest culprit, the guy worships Ronaldo. Maybe both should feck off from the club.
We have to play him like a Haaland....Goal poacher. But our midfield hasn't got 1/10th of the skill and tempo of a Man Citys. But he needs to reinvent his game for his last year or so in Football. Super Sub. Being as effective as a sub. No running just be in that box ready to take any opportunities that comes his way
What happens to Portuguese players is that, they play like that "Finding Ronaldo Tactic" in Portuguese National team so they are hard wired, as for other players, Ronaldo demands the ball on the pitch so a figure like Ronaldo is hard to ignore and some of these players grew up watching him and dreaming to play with him so they sometimes end up doing whatever he wants even if it isn't beneficial for the whole team. These things would have worked if Ronaldo was at his prime or even early stages of decline in physical condition. But now Ronaldo has decline physically so much that every time this happens it results in wasted opportunity or ball lost and chance for the opposition to score and some have scored goals from lost balls like that. I for one believe we can still use Ronaldo, but more as a impact sub and in some cup games. I don't think if the manage has a choice (Injuries and availability) he will play Ronaldo is high intensity games where speed is required up top to hurt the opposition. Some dream of Antony cross Ronaldo heads into goal, very much could happen but he isn't a player who can play games every 3/4 days for 60+ minutes. Reality is the great legend is in decline and at 37 he has done wonders beyond anyone could have thought on and this year he is going to be 38 and if doesn't retire he can play till he is 100 years old if not dead, we can't say 100 year old Ronaldo should be the main striker and argue his past stats with young strikers to start him. Great like Zidane, Figo retired in their early 30's, when they realized they are on decline and we are left with good memories about them because of that. If Ronaldo keeps persisting like a spoiled brat that he can play high intensity games every 3/4 non stop for 90 mins, when he eventually retires this chapter will leave a bad memory in people's mind about him.
Ironically Bruno seems to play better without Ronnie.
Yeah, agree with most of that. One of the reason why I don't blame Ronaldo alone, players should grow a pair and do what's best for the team.
I hope there will be some club who can take him.
I am more optimistic about us getting Frenkie than we are trying to shift out Ronnie!
We'll just need to bear & grin. When he scores a few tap-ins, his fan bois will out in full force again --- but it wont be from the type of football that ETH had envisioned.
True, it would be very hard to sell him. Mendes probably tried every club and everyone shut their door. I have never seen so many club officials distancing themselves from the deal so openly and in media. Usually the rumors are left to run for few days and then they die after few days. In this case, club officials said they are not interested for various reasons.
His PR gang still believes he is some awesome player who is held back at Manutd.
He must be pissed off at Mendes for giving him false hope and leaking crap into the press back in June.
He’s staying then?
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