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That just sums up Shaw and the problem with relying on him. When he's focused and on it he's pocketed some great players and you would easily back him to do the same to Saka. But you cant rely on that version showing up.
Yes, after seeing the main lineup playing and how they're playing players who are subs at the moment cant go out there and not give their all. They shouldn't cause it would send a completely wrong message to ETH.
He's 23 actually. Just looks very young.
Yes, both of them have been absolutely terrible since the Euros. Literally 2/10 stuff most of the time. They should be leaders on and off the pitch at this club by now. They are the exact opposite, topping it off with mistakes and being unfit for large periods.Shaw was at faul for many goals we have conceeded in last year or so, I like how he is all of a sudden savior for some people
The type of goal we conceeded last night Shaw and Maguire conceeded regulary in pretty much every game they've played together. Shaw regulary allowed crosses from his side, and was regulary out of position for goals we conceeded, but somehow that is forgotten.
Yeah it is a concern, but they'll just be digging their own United graves even further. If their mentality, at this point, is just to give up rather and stink up the place as opposed to showing some fight and desire, we don't need them around anyway. I'm hoping for the latter, of course.
A worry to have a player like this though. Its annoying when players need to be motivated from external sources. I understand if confidence is down, but thats a whole different thing.
), you do think, has this been a success? I understand a season or two can be written off due to that horrible injury. (but hes had areally good season since). The drop off is a major concern. But as others have said, lets see how he performs when hes next in the team.Agreed. These are his prime years and now he really should be delivering.A worry to have a player like this though. Its annoying when players need to be motivated from external sources. I understand if confidence is down, but thats a whole different thing.
At a push Shaw has had a season and a half of being really good. When you realise this is his 9th season for us (hes one away from a testimonial
A proper run club would have gotten rid of him long time ago so i am not sure why so many people still insist to give him chance , it's probably the same people who wrote Dalot off after few matches. If you all forgot, we got rid the likes of Diego Forlan and Juan Sebastian Veron less than 3 years and they both were 10x the footballer Shaw is. VdB is the one who deserve chance ,not this useless fat lump who has been here stinking the place around for 8 years
You guys must have been his PR , please don't judge player based on their youtube compilation because Shaw having a good game is actually a rare occurrence, even at his best season we conceded +40 goals in the league and most of them came from his side. Some people hyping his Euro performance ( same as how they hyped Maguire ), as if England didn't face many farmers nation worse than average EPL club to get into final. The moment he start playing will be the moment we start losing again. His time here is finished , he isn't going to get any younger nor any faster nor any smarter nor any fitter as footballer , the only thing he will keep on gaining is fat due to worsening metabolism. We should have look to sell him on January transfer window and find someone else to fight for LB place with Malacia. Pandering to bang average player like Luke Shaw won't get us anywhere, better cash in right now before he stuck here like Phil Jones
Shaw was close to a wonderkid when we signed him, and only a horrific injury stalled him.
I thought both he and VdB were injured?
Another M.E.N. article I just found mentioned DVB and Shaw both did not practice Wednesday.
Totally disagree with this. It is way, way over the top.
He's been here way too long to be given the benefit of the doubt. Mourinho replacing him with Perisic would've been a brilliant move in hindsight.
It doesn't matter what he theoretically can be, if he can't produce it regularly.
It's not. A properly run club with aspirations of winning top trophies wouldn't tolerate the gash he's served up for about 6 out of 8 seasons.
That sort of thing can be said about anyone.
Thank god you’re not in charge.
Can't imagine what it would be like having someone in charge who didn't pander to overpaid underperforming lumps like this guy.
I don't think you can't say about anyone, that they are the best player in their position in the world. Ronaldo used to be one of the best players in the world, he isn't anymore. Shaw is 10 years younger than him, should be in his best physical form and is already struggling with his fitness and basic conditioning. Also, he's already been dropped by ten Hag, since Shaw isn't providing the intensity that he wants. So there goes your idea I guess.
You see, all THAT is the bit I think is BS.
Yeah, it’s possible he never plays again. But the last time he was dropped, when Telles first came, he raised his game and had the best spell of his career, went to the Euros with England and was one of our best players. Maybe he does it again, maybe not.
He probably will play again, it's just the likelihood of him reaching that form again and maintaining it, is a gamble we shouldn't be taking. He's had his chance, time to move on.
This is precisely the point. At times he has been poor? He's been here since 2014. He was excellent the season after signing Telles. Prior to and after that he's probably managed half a season of good form in eight seasons. Your description can be said of pretty much anyone. Overall his career has been very, very poor.
So when do you ever get rid of a player then? Play him when he's good and drop him when not? Well he's been useless for about six of his eight seasons here.
We have another decent left back now. Why can’t they push each other and we select whichever player is in form?
That’s the kind of comment I don’t like. Half the time I read posts about him being poor when he has been decent. He’s had some bad games (Christ, who hasn’t?). It’s a total exaggeration to say he’s been useless.
Getting him fit is the issue in itself. Hence why people have lost belief in him.
This sums up perfectly how I feel about him.
Erik Ten Hag prefer to use an unknown youth player than him to sub in for Malacia in Europe league games. For Shaw it's a battle to prove another manager wrong , either Ten Hag didn't rate him, didn't like his attitude ( probably playing COD all the time munching burger and fries ) or he couldn't reach the match fitness Ten Hag wanted from him, ETH didn't even bother to put him for 5 minutes.Like i said before, his age and body fat is the only thing he will gain from now on. I am afraid he is totally finished, i think in the future you should just watch his youtube compilation for nostalgia instead of wishing him to play his way back to the team.
Nah, defending and wanting to keep lazy gowls like this around in the hope that they somehow manage to achieve their potential is BS.
Was apparently injured yesterday. But surely he deserves to start soon. Malacia is doing fine defensively but we're lacking the passing and forward runs that Shaw brings when he's playing well.
When did that happen though?
