The Irish Women's Team Celebration Discussion.

[MayfieldsFinest]

I think it’s a young person thing. Sort of meme culture. They’re so removed from the reality of it, they use songs and phrases like that as a badge of honour. Or as light hearted banter. No harm meant, obviously. But yeah, it’s a bit thoughtless. Which is ironic coming from a generation that is supposedly so much more empathetic than the ones that came before.

Whatever, I think we can cut everyone involved some slack. They clearly weren’t thinking straight (or thinking at all) at the time. And they’ve made some very genuine apologies. Which should be the end of it.

Absolute sense. However, the eejit that recorded it should be shot with balls of their own shite.

 

[Tommy79]

Tell that to the people who have died at their hands through terrorism, drug deals, helping the wrong people, delivering bread or milk to the ‘other’ side, people have been forced to strap bombs to them snd drive into checkpoints, not to mention those poor souls whose bodies have never been found. We have to move on from glorifying this

But sadly while not saying it was OK, there were 3 sides and all were as fecking vile as each other so let's not pretend otherwise here, be the pira, loyalists and the brit army, as 1000s of Catholics from the north can easily say that about the protection given by the protestant community to the shankill butchers for over 10 years, or to the family of the 7 yr old boy shot dead in his bed by the tough guys of the SAS in Antrim, or the family of the 11-year-old schoolgirl shot in the back and killed a week before bloody Sunday by the same scum who carried out bloody Sunday in Derry, also the biggest dealers in the North are the UDA nothing said, LVF, UVF never gave up their guns and still killing people and nothing said about that either.

I also like to say I find it fecking laughable that the DUP are writing to UEFA demanding this and that and to FAI demanding they withhold their money while saying feck all about laffery and had to be forced into a statement last year when the UVF forced a driver to drive a hoax bomb to where Coveney was when in Belfast or the non-stop death threat and painting Leo's home address all over Protestant areas.

(In response to the black bit) Sadly, as seen from both sides of the divide this year alone at the bonfires, that's not looking very likely, as there always seems to be someone on both sides not prepare to do that sadly no matter how much we would all like to see it, but sadly way too much bloodshed spilled on both sides for it to be, as don't forget the 10s of thousands of Northern Catholics who see us in the 26 as sell out scum, due to doing jack over partition in their eyes, or during the burning and killing of Catholics out of their homes which saw the rise of the provos in 67/68 when they walked away from the Dublin IRA leadership and set up the Provos.

Look they sang it stupidly without malice in my eyes, so as author and historian, Tim Pat Coogan once say about the 800 years of murder by the crown forces and loyalists, Ireland should forget the history and move on, because the British can never.

 

[Deery]

Come on Tommy it’s a peaceful enough thread and forum we don’t want to be dragging up every atrocity ever to happen time after time, if we want that we can just go onto Twitter an endless barrage of differing opinions on the state of N Ireland it’s really quite tiresome…

 

[Zippycup]

But sadly while not saying it was OK, there were 3 sides and all were as fecking vile as each other so let's not pretend otherwise here, be the pira, loyalists and the brit army, as 1000s of Catholics from the north can easily say that about the protection given by the protestant community to the shankill butchers for over 10 years, or to the family of the 7 yr old boy shot dead in his bed by the tough guys of the SAS in Antrim, or the family of the 11-year-old schoolgirl shot in the back and killed a week before bloody Sunday by the same scum who carried out bloody Sunday in Derry, also the biggest dealers in the North are the UDA nothing said, LVF, UVF never gave up their guns and still killing people and nothing said about that either.

I also like to say I find it fecking laughable that the DUP are writing to UEFA demanding this and that and to FAI demanding they withhold their money while saying feck all about laffery and had to be forced into a statement last year when the UVF forced a driver to drive a hoax bomb to where Coveney was when in Belfast or the non-stop death threat and painting Leo's home address all over Protestant areas.

(In response to the black bit) Sadly, as seen from both sides of the divide this year alone at the bonfires, that's not looking very likely, as there always seems to be someone on both sides not prepare to do that sadly no matter how much we would all like to see it, but sadly way too much bloodshed spilled on both sides for it to be, as don't forget the 10s of thousands of Northern Catholics who see us in the 26 as sell out scum, due to doing jack over partition in their eyes, or during the burning and killing of Catholics out of their homes which saw the rise of the provos in 67/68 when they walked away from the Dublin IRA leadership and set up the Provos.

Look they sang it stupidly without malice in my eyes, so as author and historian, Tim Pat Coogan once say about the 800 years of murder by the crown forces and loyalists, Ireland should forget the history and move on, because the British can never.

I fecking hate whataboutery.

 

[Flexdegea]

But sadly while not saying it was OK, there were 3 sides and all were as fecking vile as each other so let's not pretend otherwise here, be the pira, loyalists and the brit army, as 1000s of Catholics from the north can easily say that about the protection given by the protestant community to the shankill butchers for over 10 years, or to the family of the 7 yr old boy shot dead in his bed by the tough guys of the SAS in Antrim, or the family of the 11-year-old schoolgirl shot in the back and killed a week before bloody Sunday by the same scum who carried out bloody Sunday in Derry, also the biggest dealers in the North are the UDA nothing said, LVF, UVF never gave up their guns and still killing people and nothing said about that either.

I also like to say I find it fecking laughable that the DUP are writing to UEFA demanding this and that and to FAI demanding they withhold their money while saying feck all about laffery and had to be forced into a statement last year when the UVF forced a driver to drive a hoax bomb to where Coveney was when in Belfast or the non-stop death threat and painting Leo's home address all over Protestant areas.

(In response to the black bit) Sadly, as seen from both sides of the divide this year alone at the bonfires, that's not looking very likely, as there always seems to be someone on both sides not prepare to do that sadly no matter how much we would all like to see it, but sadly way too much bloodshed spilled on both sides for it to be, as don't forget the 10s of thousands of Northern Catholics who see us in the 26 as sell out scum, due to doing jack over partition in their eyes, or during the burning and killing of Catholics out of their homes which saw the rise of the provos in 67/68 when they walked away from the Dublin IRA leadership and set up the Provos.

Look they sang it stupidly without malice in my eyes, so as author and historian, Tim Pat Coogan once say about the 800 years of murder by the crown forces and loyalists, Ireland should forget the history and move on, because the British can never.

Good post Bai.


Got to laugh at the presenter talking about Irish and British history like he was offended. Comedy almost

 

[moses]

@Flexdegea @Tommy79

Not having a go at all but can we keep it to broad terms and opinions lads? No lists of who did what, not in this thread.
We're dangerously close to derailing one of my favourite threads.

 

[studs]

Good post Bai.


Got to laugh at the presenter talking about Irish and British history like he was offended. Comedy almost

I see the twat had something similar with some Irish rugby player a few years back.

 

[Still ill]

Thought Vera dealt with it spectacularly well. No bullshit, no whinging, we take full responsibility. They're a great bunch, they've said sorry, move on.

 

[moses]

Thought Vera dealt with it spectacularly well. No bullshit, no whinging, we take full responsibility. They're a great bunch, they've said sorry, move on.

Yeah, they've always been a good bunch, very honest and open.

 

[moses]

I see the twat had something similar with some Irish rugby player a few years back.

He will do it again, it's his job, he works for a shit stiiring shower of fecks who aren't partisan as much as just evil.

 

[studs]

He will do it again, it's his job, he works for a shit stiiring shower of fecks who aren't partisan as much as just evil.

No doubt about that, but what really annoyed me was he (himself) spoke as if he had some real athorithy over that poor girl yesterday.

 

[moses]

No doubt about that, but what really annoyed me was he (himself) spoke as if he had some real athorithy over that poor girl yesterday.

Oh it was vile. On a few levels.

 

[scottser]

I had to laugh at all the comments giving out about the WNT and the 'ra chant. Which IRA were they offended by, the old IRA, official IRA, provisional IRA, continuity IRA, real IRA, I can't believe it's not the IRA IRA?
Some people forget that there would be no independent ireland without the IRA.

 

[Still ill]

I had to laugh at all the comments giving out about the WNT and the 'ra chant. Which IRA were they offended by, the old IRA, official IRA, provisional IRA, continuity IRA, real IRA, I can't believe it's not the IRA IRA?
Some people forget that there would be no independent ireland without the IRA.

Fair play. They should write a song about it.

 

[Zippycup]

I had to laugh at all the comments giving out about the WNT and the 'ra chant. Which IRA were they offended by, the old IRA, official IRA, provisional IRA, continuity IRA, real IRA, I can't believe it's not the IRA IRA?
Some people forget that there would be no independent ireland without the IRA.

I'd imagine those who lost loved ones or who suffered life changing injuries, both physically and mentally were offended. From both sides of the community. I'd imagine those who want to move on from the past were offended. I'd imagine anyone with any decency would be disappointed with the teams actions and that yet again an Irish triumph is marred with our horrific past and bigoted views that's followed. Maybe it's time to grow up?

 

[moses]

I had to laugh at all the comments giving out about the WNT and the 'ra chant. Which IRA were they offended by, the old IRA, official IRA, provisional IRA, continuity IRA, real IRA, I can't believe it's not the IRA IRA?
Some people forget that there would be no independent ireland without the IRA.

You got them with that great legal mind of yours.

 

[scottser]

I'd imagine those who lost loved ones or who suffered life changing injuries, both physically and mentally were offended. From both sides of the community. I'd imagine those who want to move on from the past were offended. I'd imagine anyone with any decency would be disappointed with the teams actions and that yet again an Irish triumph is marred with our horrific past and bigoted views that's followed. Maybe it's time to grow up?

Growing up involves embracing nuance and accepting our history being a difficult and complicated one. The whole 'IRA are bad, mmmkay?' stance is frankly risible.

 

[scottser]

You got them with that great legal mind of yours.

And aren't you great, making mountains out of molehills.

 

[moses]

I'd imagine those who lost loved ones or who suffered life changing injuries, both physically and mentally were offended. From both sides of the community. I'd imagine those who want to move on from the past were offended. I'd imagine anyone with any decency would be disappointed with the teams actions and that yet again an Irish triumph is marred with our horrific past and bigoted views that's followed. Maybe it's time to grow up?

It's a residual thing, it happens in all countries in some form or other. Was anyone offended by it befure Sky made a big deal of it? So did Sky actually cause most of the offence? And again, they are not idealogues. Were you offended?

 

[moses]

Growing up involves embracing nuance and accepting our history being a difficult and complicated one. The whole 'IRA are bad, mmmkay?' stance is frankly risible.

It's not risible in this context. It's risible in political, historical and academic terms.

 

[poleglass red]

I'd imagine those who lost loved ones or who suffered life changing injuries, both physically and mentally were offended. From both sides of the community. I'd imagine those who want to move on from the past were offended. I'd imagine anyone with any decency would be disappointed with the teams actions and that yet again an Irish triumph is marred with our horrific past and bigoted views that's followed. Maybe it's time to grow up?

People are looking too much into it. It's a stupid song that gets sang at times of celebration or too much drink it seems these days. There was no intention to cause any harm when they sang it, they've apologized, time to move on. People are getting offended it seems on other people's behalf which is par the course these days. As I pointed out earlier in thread, it's not an IRA song, it never has been, it's a Celtic FC song.Put it this way, if the intention was to show their support for the IRA, this song wouldn't be the one they'd be singing. This song has almost descened into a karoke type rhythm that gets chanted nowadays

 

[Flexdegea]

@Flexdegea @Tommy79

Not having a go at all but can we keep it to broad terms and opinions lads? No lists of who did what, not in this thread.
We're dangerously close to derailing one of my favourite threads.

I didnt write anything.


Just can't believe the presenter was being serious

 

[Reditus]

We are almost certainly going to hear the chant now in the next few Ireland games (mens and womens) this is what normally happens when a big story is made out of something not too important

We also have the Wolfe Tones on top of the Irish charts and entered the top 40 in the uk

 

[moses]

I didnt write anything.


Just can't believe the presenter was being serious

I know, I was just hoping to stem the in depth hair splitting.

 

[Flexdegea]

People are looking too much into it. It's a stupid song that gets sang at times of celebration or too much drink it seems these days. There was no intention to cause any harm when they sang it, they've apologized, time to move on. People are getting offended it seems on other people's behalf which is par the course these days. As I pointed out earlier in thread, it's not an IRA song, it never has been, it's a Celtic FC song.Put it this way, if the intention was to show their support for the IRA, this song wouldn't be the one they'd be singing. This song has almost descened into a karoke type rhythm that gets chanted nowadays

True, can think of many other miles better songs that could be sung that would proper offend, and exactly the same manufactured outrage story that comes about after the wolf tones play the feile every year.

 

[caid]

People are looking too much into it. It's a stupid song that gets sang at times of celebration or too much drink it seems these days. There was no intention to cause any harm when they sang it, they've apologized, time to move on. People are getting offended it seems on other people's behalf which is par the course these days. As I pointed out earlier in thread, it's not an IRA song, it never has been, it's a Celtic FC song.Put it this way, if the intention was to show their support for the IRA, this song wouldn't be the one they'd be singing. This song has almost descened into a karoke type rhythm that gets chanted nowadays

Maybe it shouldn't

 

[padzilla]

I see the twat had something similar with some Irish rugby player a few years back.

Absolute lack of self awareness from the presenter. Little Irish people need educated by the clever Brits about their own history.

 

[Zippycup]

It's a residual thing, it happens in all countries in some form or other. Was anyone offended by it befure Sky made a big deal of it? So did Sky actually cause most of the offence? And again, they are not idealogues. Were you offended?

Of course people would be offended by it.
Us Irish has such an odd way of looking at Irish terrorism. Many, especially from the younger generation see the troubles with some sort of romanticism of days gone by. It was anything but. It was horrific. A horrible time that should be remembered for what it was so we never go down that road again. It should never be glorified. Ever.

Was I offended? No, I see it for what it is. Young women getting caught up in the moment. However, that doesn’t mean others won’t find it offensive. I was disappointed though. Disappointed that yet again, despite 25 years of peace we are still going over the same old nonsense

 

[moses]

Of course people would be offended by it.
Us Irish has such an odd way of looking at Irish terrorism. Many, especially from the younger generation see the troubles with some sort of romanticism of days gone by. It was anything but. It was horrific. A horrible time that should be remembered for what it was so we never go down that road again. It should never be glorified. Ever.

Was I offended? No, I see it for what it is. Young women getting caught up in the moment. However, that doesn’t mean others won’t find it offensive. I was disappointed though. Disappointed that yet again, despite 25 years of peace we are still going over the same old nonsense

Do you know anyone who was?

 

[Zippycup]

This song has almost descened into a karoke type rhythm that gets chanted nowadays

Can you see the problem with that?

 

[moses]

Can you see the problem with that?

Is it more or less unhealthy than just not acknowledging it? Our history is a shit show, we just need to be mature about the inevitable bumps in the road. On the whole in global and historical terms we have made incredible progress. We have to absorb and process literal atrocities so we need to be measured about a song, especially in this context.

 

[poleglass red]

Of course people would be offended by it.
Us Irish has such an odd way of looking at Irish terrorism. Many, especially from the younger generation see the troubles with some sort of romanticism of days gone by. It was anything but. It was horrific. A horrible time that should be remembered for what it was so we never go down that road again. It should never be glorified. Ever.

Was I offended? No, I see it for what it is. Young women getting caught up in the moment. However, that doesn’t mean others won’t find it offensive. I was disappointed though. Disappointed that yet again, despite 25 years of peace we are still going over the same old nonsense

'

I think your argument would be legit if they sang one of the many rebel songs that are out there, this is a silly song that has a line in it, that people who don't know the song, think it's a tribute to the IRA, it isn't.People are looking to be offended these days. As you say they got caught up in the moment. It's not like we have a womens team full of republican sympathisers

 

[Zippycup]

Do you know anyone who was?

Yes. Several in fact.
The feelings are still raw for so many in Northern Ireland and incidents like this only set the country back and make a divide which was shrinking, grow.
At the end of the day. Many families loved ones were murdered during the troubles. Just because the murderer hid behind the name of a terrorist group doesn’t make it any less real. Do you think singing the name of The Soham murderer wouldn’t cause offense to people who knew the victims? It’s no different.

Again, the terrible acts of terrorism can be easily hidden behind the mask of patriotism or

Is it more or less unhealthy than just not acknowledging it? Our history is a shit show, we just need to be mature about the inevitable bumps in the road. On the whole in global and historical terms we have made incredible progress. We have to absorb and process literal atrocities so we need to be measured about a song, especially in this context.

I agree.
But we are walking a very thin line between being measured and working through our past to falling into the trap of rewriting and glorifying a horrific past.
I don’t think any punishment should be stowed onto these girls. However, this is the perfect opportunity to educate our younger generation of what the troubles were really like and hope that they learn from our troubled past.
Show these girls the photos of the babies in their coffins and then ask them to sing 'up the ra' Do you think they would?

 

[Zippycup]

'I think your argument would be legit if they sang one of the many rebel songs that are out there, this is a silly song that has a line in it, that people who don't know the song, think it's a tribute to the IRA, it isn't.People are looking to be offended these days. As you say they got caught up in the moment. It's not like we have a womens team full of republican sympathisers

No. You're wrong.
You're telling people who had family members murdered that they are being sensitive about people celebrating the people that murdered them.
Of course, they aren't sympathisers but the fact they think it's ok to not only sing that but post it on social media suggests to me that our younger generation need educating.

 

[moses]

Of course, they aren't sympathisers but the fact they think it's ok to not only sing that but post it on social media suggests to me that our younger generation need educating.

They don't think it's OK, it was stupid, they know it's stupid and in the cold light of day even before the event they would have known its stupid. They have unconditionally apologised almost verbatim to your post above. What do you think they need educating on? Their whole gerneration have moved on incredibly well. Thank feck. Almost an unparalleled outbreak of peace without relapse. They're doing fine. Their generation don't need a lecture because of one mistake.

 

[poleglass red]

No. You're wrong.
You're telling people who had family members murdered that they are being sensitive about people celebrating the people that murdered them.
Of course, they aren't sympathisers but the fact they think it's ok to not only sing that but post it on social media suggests to me that our younger generation need educating.

education, you sound like the guy from sky. People can make errors of judgement as these ladies did, they did the right thing and apologized very quickly and rightly so. I'd wager a bet most of them ladies don't know the words or meaning of that song and blindly joined in the chorus. For a man spouting education, maybe educate yourself on that particular song. They sang that song, they won't do it again. I think people's intent should be examined more closely here, these ladies had no ill will when they sang that. If anyone was offended, you'd hope they'd take some solace from the apology and put it down to naivete as opposed to any malice.

 

[RedC]

No. You're wrong.
You're telling people who had family members murdered that they are being sensitive about people celebrating the people that murdered them.
Of course, they aren't sympathisers but the fact they think it's ok to not only sing that but post it on social media suggests to me that our younger generation need educating.

You seem to have decided that they were specifically singing about a certain iteration of something that existed for 100 years?

 

[tothetop96]

No. You're wrong.
You're telling people who had family members murdered that they are being sensitive about people celebrating the people that murdered them.
Of course, they aren't sympathisers but the fact they think it's ok to not only sing that but post it on social media suggests to me that our younger generation need educating.

The British army had a higher civilian kill percentage during the troubles than the PIRA did. The PIRA had the lowest percentage of the parties involved.

It's deemed unacceptable to sing up the 'ra in a song yet every year the British public are encouraged to wear poppies in commemoration of the soldiers who were in NI. Maybe the British public needs educating as well

 

[lsd]

The biggest problem I have is the sheer nerve of the twat from Sky sports news telling the Irish captain she needs to learn her history better

 

[moses]

And aren't you great, making mountains out of molehills.

Show me one post where that's true.