He is talking about himself. You hear him talking about the evil PR machination and sneaky manager who treats his senior players unfairly... Where have you heard that before? Roy Keane is the most emotional footballer probably in history. He just relates to a situation whereby a star player can't handle something, they react and everybody condemns them. He relates to that feeling I suppose and likes how serious CR is about winning... But to say that he thinks we are a better team without him is really sad because it tells you why no one would offer him a job. His footballing analysis is more basic than a child's.
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Yeah, of course. Sticking in a condition name made the post a good bit heavier than was intended, very much daft, half-arsed armchair psychology as advertised
.But yeah, I just used to think up until recently that Roy was doing a character on TV based on his hardman type image as a player, but the more I see the way he goes about arguing about certain things and the angles he comes from makes me think he probably just is a pretty intense type bloke with a few foibles and a strong sense of loyalty (or the opposite to people he doesn't like).
I think it comes off a lot less weaselly than when Neville and co were finding any reason under the sun not to say a bad word about Ole for example, because it almost seems a bit like Keane actually can't bring himself to see that someone he feels loyal to might have done anything wrong, rather than being able to see it and just being a bit political about it like Neville. It does mean his punditry in these types of situations probably isn't worth much, though.
This is bizarre from Keano. Was falling over himself to defend Ole’s bewildering managerial decisions, but criticises ETH for making 100% the correct call after Ronaldo’s behaviour.
This all started when Ronaldo ran over on live TV to shake Rio and Roy's hands (the one where he blanked Carragher). Since then Rio and Roy have been defending everything Ronnie does including accusing the manager of lacking respect. The latter part makes me boil knowing the trauma this club experienced last season. We can't afford another season like that.
Keane's right about some got a bit carried away about that spurs game. The goals involved fortunate deflections (Fred's goal and how the ball ends up going to Fernandes) and Rashford wasted a few good opportunities. Most of all, it was potentially also just spurs being spurs.
Results and performances are very much up and down, with and without Ronaldo. It's evident that we need a striker that can score goals, on paper you'd pick Ronaldo to do that over Rashford. Neither are doing the business though, that's objective truth. Is Ronaldo our best option to get us goals? When the competition is Rashford then you can see why people are split over who you'd pick. One has an incredible amount of credit in the bank and Keane knows his character.
I can see both points of view. Ultimately Ronaldo has let this standards slip in his chances this season, and his actions against Spurs were ridiculous and rightfully punished. Given our lack of striker options I'd prefer to see him come back into the side, fired up and scoring goals, cause goals are certainly what we need. If he's unlikely to do anything better than what we've seen so far then clearly the sooner we sell the better, we don't need two wasteful strikers and certainly not one on his wages (or Rashford's to be fair!).
Results and performances are very much up and down, with and without Ronaldo. It's evident that we need a striker that can score goals, on paper you'd pick Ronaldo to do that over Rashford. Neither are doing the business though, that's objective truth. Is Ronaldo our best option to get us goals? When the competition is Rashford then you can see why people are split over who you'd pick. One has an incredible amount of credit in the bank and Keane knows his character.
I can see both points of view. Ultimately Ronaldo has let this standards slip in his chances this season, and his actions against Spurs were ridiculous and rightfully punished. Given our lack of striker options I'd prefer to see him come back into the side, fired up and scoring goals, cause goals are certainly what we need. If he's unlikely to do anything better than what we've seen so far then clearly the sooner we sell the better, we don't need two wasteful strikers and certainly not one on his wages (or Rashford's to be fair!).
Imagine watching the TV, and seeing Keane melt down......and your take away is everyone is going overboard
Absolutely love Keane but that was insane his antics. Literally running down the team and the manager to prop up a player who walked of the pitch early. Bonkers
The best part was when Neville mentioned great pros Bonucci and Chiellini having issues with Ronaldo and Roy disputing their credentials
Hold on you watched that match and this was your takeaway from it?
Basically like me saying if it wasn't for Lloris we have done then 6 nil.
Had like 30 shots on goals was as close to as domination against a big team you will get without the big scoreline, passing it off as deflections is massively underselling it
I think the only one doing the my dad is bigger than his dad is yourself.
He's balding now too if you want to hate on him for that also
I don't know Keane has always liked Ronaldo going back to playing with him. I don't think I've ever heard him say anything negative about him so Ronnie obviously won his respect.
Bottom line is he knows Ronnie deserved to be punished and it would be better for all if he left the club as soon as possible.
I don't think too many can disagree with that no matter how it took for him to get there
We had great footballers playing for us who happen to be utter bellends in other aspects as well.
Keane's always been fiercely loyal to a lot of his ex teammates, to the point where it is really a bit overboard. The whole Giggs argument with Carragher and explaining that loyalty is his reason for including him in his best XI is a case in point. Personally I just view it as 'that's just Keano' 
The only thing i have issue with is that I wish Ronaldo's ex-teammates and media pundits would try to take a more balanced or conciliatory tone instead of encouraging the two sides to dig in. It's not helpful to United who are severely depleted on the striking options front. Neville's "get rid of him" comment doesn't help nor does Keane/Rio's ultra defensive stance which only appeals to Ronaldo's ego. ten Hag's made the right call in laying down the law and offering Ronaldo a way back. Hopefully he'll take it or at least make it until January.
The only thing i have issue with is that I wish Ronaldo's ex-teammates and media pundits would try to take a more balanced or conciliatory tone instead of encouraging the two sides to dig in. It's not helpful to United who are severely depleted on the striking options front. Neville's "get rid of him" comment doesn't help nor does Keane/Rio's ultra defensive stance which only appeals to Ronaldo's ego. ten Hag's made the right call in laying down the law and offering Ronaldo a way back. Hopefully he'll take it or at least make it until January.
I don’t really understand his love in for Ronaldo. There wasn’t much overlap so they can’t exactly be mates. I can only think it’s a product of his heavy dislike of the rest of the team based on last seasons showing.
Here's keane's hypocrisy
Incredible isn't it. He's suggesting a mixture of us being lucky to beat them, whilst they were rubbish at the same time.
Not an absolutely superb display throughout the team battering them.
I say this as somebody who wouldn’t have Ronaldo in my first 11 and as someone who is looking beyond Ronaldo to the future.
I love that Keane is bang on Ronaldo’s side. They are both absolute winners with that drive that takes them to the very top of their capabilities. There are some players who people thought were better and they got nowhere near these two in terms of consistency of performance.
Keane, Ronaldo, Becks the three most driven and consistently brilliant players I’ve seen at United. By a LONG way.
I love that Keane is bang on Ronaldo’s side. They are both absolute winners with that drive that takes them to the very top of their capabilities. There are some players who people thought were better and they got nowhere near these two in terms of consistency of performance.
Keane, Ronaldo, Becks the three most driven and consistently brilliant players I’ve seen at United. By a LONG way.
Love Keano. Almost always agree with him on all things United, but I do think dropping Ronaldo was the right call. It’s about setting standards. I do think this whole thing has been blown out of proportion though and the fact it’s still headline news is a bit baffling to me.
He's bitter about a lot. He still hasn't forgot about Saipan and hates Mick McCarthy. When he was assistant manager of Ireland, he argued with Jonathan Walters and brought up some argument they had at Ipswich a decade earlier. He holds on to grudges for decades and if you fall out with him, you're practically dead to him.
Thats why I don't buy the idea that he's an old fashioned pro. He can dish it out but he'll never take it without wanting revenge.
It's tough really because Keane doesn't like to talk about what happened but the other party seems to always get the first word in and Keane doesn't respond so people just accept one side as gospel.
What he says is massively influenced by who he's talking about. He's criticised ETH's results but defended Ole for far worse. He's defended Ronaldo and, as you said, would have slated Pogba for the same.
Keane does seem happy to talk about stuff tbh. I've heard more from him about his falling outs with Mccarthy and SAF then the other two.
Again some similarities with Ronaldo in that’s what made them great, the desire to win, but lets them down in other parts of life. His comments about Walters were awful.
Don't really care about Keane's thoughts on Ronaldo even though I don't necessarily agree with them I can see his point of view.
What I didn't like was when he said that Ten Hag wasn't winning enough games. That was a terrible take, after our horrific start we've picked up over 2 points for every 3 in the league despite playing all the best teams in the league. Even wins away to Everton, Southampton and Leicester are not to be sniffed at.
What I didn't like was when he said that Ten Hag wasn't winning enough games. That was a terrible take, after our horrific start we've picked up over 2 points for every 3 in the league despite playing all the best teams in the league. Even wins away to Everton, Southampton and Leicester are not to be sniffed at.
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I think it’s sweet that a “hard man” like Keane wants to stick up for Ronaldo. He obviously thinks it’s fine what Ronaldo did but on the other hand he’s got an image to keep up so midway through a rant will drop that it’s wrong what Ronaldo did but then point out he was top goal scorer last season.
Keane was like a god in here, we wanted him in the dressing room beating crap out of our players but now we don’t want him anywhere near the dressing room
Keane was like a god in here, we wanted him in the dressing room beating crap out of our players but now we don’t want him anywhere near the dressing room
People in here going on about how Ronaldo and Keane barely overlapped. They were together for 2 and a half years. And there are similarities between the 2, they hate losing as much as anyone. And I'd guess Ron learned a lot while he was captain.
Having said all that, Keane is wrong. He's clearly finished. His Ronaldo love isn't new, he's always said positive things about him.
Having said all that, Keane is wrong. He's clearly finished. His Ronaldo love isn't new, he's always said positive things about him.
That's ridiculous haha, United are three points off third with a game in hand. And have had by far the hardest fixtures - played City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, Newcastle in their first 11 games.
Very pub chat after a few pints, no context/analysis sort of punditry that.
Anyone who wanted Keane anywhere near the dressing room hasn't been paying attention for the last 10 years.I think it’s sweet that a “hard man” like Keane wants to stick up for Ronaldo. He obviously thinks it’s fine what Ronaldo did but on the other hand he’s got an image to keep up so midway through a rant will drop that it’s wrong what Ronaldo did but then point out he was top goal scorer last season.
Keane was like a god in here, we wanted him in the dressing room beating crap out of our players but now we don’t want him anywhere near the dressing room
He needs to get his head out of his ass. It's embarrassing. It's like a competition on whose going to say the stupidest thing with these former United players.
Still love the man.
He went on Ronaldo' defence saying he didn't have a pre season
Yes Roy the cnut was on strike for 6 weeks trying to get a new club.
Yes Roy the cnut was on strike for 6 weeks trying to get a new club.
Someone needs to remind Roy… the club comes first… always.
But he knows more than us fans.
Exactly. There's this daft attitude that just screaming at players makes them better. That someone like Keane would walk into the dressing room and punch a load of 20-somethings and everything would be fine. Absolutely bizarre. There's a reasons Guardiola is the world's best manager and not Vinnie Jones.
United is bigger than Ronaldo. I’m happy we have a manager who doesn’t put any player above the club.
He's such a shameless hypocrite.
Shameless WUM. The type of comments you see from opposing fans egging us about Ronaldo here. How is that dear Ronaldo of his doing versus teams from Cyprus and Moldova ? Not to add a big hypocrite too. Imagine Ronaldo did this back when he was a captain. He surely would at least punched Ronaldo in the face. And his ETH bashing is just pure bullcrap. How did his mate Ole do ?
I just think he might have gone too far with the contrariness this time. He’s already shown many times in his role as a pundit why he never made it as a manager but now he’s making himself look like a moron.
Either that or Sky are reading this thread and preparing a new contract.
Either that or Sky are reading this thread and preparing a new contract.
Shit-stirring cnut. Genuinely think he wants Ten Hag to fail so another one of his mates can get a shot.
Remember how hard he went on Carrick after Ole got sacked, he almost blamed him for the performances under Mourinho.