Yes Spoons!
Boycott The Qatar World Cup?
- Thread starter OldSchoolManc
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This is not about what anyone believes. We are all free to believe what we like. It's a choice. I'd be offended if I had a religion and you were defining it by associated human rights abuses.
Is there hypocrisy in the world? yes, everywhere. To use it as an excuse not to stand up for the oppressed is weak and cowardly.
Also, read David Conn and Philipe Auclair. They do great work on the evils of the game.
Yep. I boycott United ffs. Would rather see us in the championship under fan ownership.
The US is still in Syria. The Turks are there too. No one creates a fuss about it. The Israelis are occupying part of Palestine against all UN resolutions. No one calls for their ban from FIFA or any other sports. This is now.
You give or don't give your money or support to who you like. The issue in this thread has become not that, it's people saying it's morally wrong to take a moral stand. It's a real Joseph Heller humdinger.
I have done most of my protesting against the US but it has feck to do with standing up for the LGBT community in Qatar.
I have been arrested in solidarity with Palestine. But so what? Anyone who really cares wouldnt let any of the whataboutery in this thread stand in the way of help, no matter how small or symbolic.
There are human rights abuses now in Qatar where the glare of the world is. A perfect time to highlight it.
No they don't. They are saying it's morally wrong to be selective in their stance. Russia is being rightly boycotted because of their illegal invasion. Other countries are not boycotted because of their illegal occupation. In fact it may be illegal to boycott their illegal occupation.
As an individual yes you should. Nothing much you can do about it too I accept. What gets me is associations and countries who are being hypocrites.
Accuse someone directly or it just smacks of not giving a shit and just undermining the protest. So well done on that. Qatar and Fifa appreciate it I'm sure. The LGBT community, not so much.
That should be made much much clearer. Otherwise its not a good look.
Without pointing out that it's structural as to where the media focuses you all just look like massive homophobes and misogynists.
And its not hypocrisy, its capitaism. Its the best narrative to make money. If that means being pro Islam, fine. If it means bekng anti Islam, that's fine too.
And its not hypocrisy, its capitaism. Its the best narrative to make money. If that means being pro Islam, fine. If it means bekng anti Islam, that's fine too.
That's not what I'm using it as an excuse for. I'm saying that its the cause of complacency. For ten years we've had whataboutism and mental gymnastics to defend city, or full silence by people now condemning Qatar.
Only city fans and Sky Sports, defend City. We all fecking hate them and PSG and Newcastle.
I wonder what this world cup offers for a tourist. It looks like wherever you go, you will end up at the city center after 30 mins.
I think we're on the same page about Qatar etc but I disagree on city. I've never seen so many United fans willing to separate sport from reality with such passion as when getting giddy for city. On this site and in real life. As for the likes of Lineker and other pious personalities. Not a whisper. They're to guardiola what teenage girls are to harry styles.
Anyone seen the fifa uncovered documentary on Netflix?
They're dicks, literally paid to speak, feck em, I wouldnt let their compromised, paid for opinions enter a serious conversation.
Any opposition they have to Qatar is measured to fall short of having any impact.
For me opression is about the victim, not who is doing the oppressing or who does or doesnt condemn it.
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Does anyone really think that the Qataris don't love the racist/hypocritical/Islamophobic narrative underpinning the protest?
I know if I was them I'd be helping that along any way I could. So I'd say the opposite is the way to go.
I know if I was them I'd be helping that along any way I could. So I'd say the opposite is the way to go.
No, but thanks for jogging my memory about it.
The US are in Syria as are many countries. I'm not defending any of that just trying to find out what the criteria is here.
Are Turkey or Israel hosting the World Cup any time soon?
Is anyone calling for Qatar to be banned from Football?
I'll probably boycott most of it but not for the right reasons.
I checked the fixtures. The group stages look like the drizzling fecking shits aside 2, maybe 3 matches. Wall to wall rubbish.
I checked the fixtures. The group stages look like the drizzling fecking shits aside 2, maybe 3 matches. Wall to wall rubbish.
I'll boycott the late kick off as I can't stay up
What? This is nonsense.
Let's just stick to the Caf (you're talking specifically about the Caf in another post): Do you really believe that a significant amount of posters on here who are currently condemning Qatar have been engaging in mental gymnastics to defend Manchester City?
Great post. I think you have perfectly identified the hypocrisy of the English media, in the pocket of Abu Dhabi and now Saudi Arabia too.
But also, feck the Qatar WC. From the appalling human rights abuses that went into building the tournament to the abhorrent discourse on the LGBTQ+ community that has occurred thus far, i will personally be boycotting it insofar as i will not watch. I'm almost at that point with the premier league too.
It's pretty obviously untrue though isn't it.
Do you mean that migrant workers didn't die during the building of the stadiums?
Not sure if others are similar but couldn't care less about the politics of it. It's a world cup, it comes around once every four years, I'm excited as ever and will watch a ton of games, and I barely watch any league games currently as it is.
So the recent economic downturn won’t affect the WC that badly?
There is definitely hypocrisy in the media, in all media, sadly. But they are literally bending to to the will of advertisers or governments. That's a whole other unrelated conversation because they are not leading the calls for a boycott. Or even joining in a little bit.
How many of your handful of posts on the caf are not trying to undermine opposition to Qatar?
What do you think of the actual matter at hand. Do you think Qatar has human rights abuses to answer for?
So basically this thread has devolved into whether Islamophobia trumps homophobia or vice versa.
Disgusting regime. Unfortunately UEFA and FIFA and actually the PL have let these cnuts try and normalise this shit into our game
There has been more awareness, media pieces and pushback from the media with respect to Qatar than there has been towards Manchester City, from what I've observed, perhaps because of that exact dynamic you just described (i bolded it).
No they are not hosting. The USA is the next WC. Russia got banned and thrown out because of their illegal invasion of Ukraine. Israel has been illegally occupying Palestine for years but nothing happens to them. Turkey is in Syria and nothing happens to them. Shouldn't they be banned by UEFA? It's utter hypocrisy by FIFA and other internal organizations. Yes Qatar or any of the middle east countries should never be hosting any international sports if human rights is the criteria. Just like many other countries.
The damage to the reputation of football amongst young people that granting the last two World Cups to intolerant, oppressive regimes with appalling human rights records has done will be irreversible.
Aye, if there is pushback from broadcasters who are attending and covering its because of conversations like this. If there is grassroots and public unease they will pay lip service to it. And yes that promotes more public dissent. And that's the point..
The BBC and Sky and huge swathes of the local sports media are going to dress City up all they can because thats literally the product they are selling us.
It's capitalism but that's how they work, it's PR and accountancy, they're not actually moral decisions or with any real agenda.
If nobody gave a toss about Qatar, the BBC sports dept wouldn't be saying a word.
Also like with Newcastle, there was initial chat but we have short attention spans and if this world cup went on for years a lot of the protest would lose its breath.
Also, there are journalists who do report on City and how corrupt the game is, but readers get bored or busy with life and it slips down the page.
We're all part of it to a degree, but we can't keep our shoulder to the wheel on everything all the time. You have to choose your battles.
And with all eyes on Qatar that's a good place to spend energy on a protest..