The big companies and corporation's from the rest of the world are also exploiting the workers in Qatar by paying them peanuts for huge profits.
Gianni Infantino loses the plot (WC 2002 Edition)
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Be less vague in the future. Hallmark of communication
How many will call for people to boycott 2026?
Sure but it would be as ignorant a generalization as me saying all people from the middle east are x because y did z.
Yup exploitation is everywhere in general, as consumers we can do very little, we can boycott products but it doesn't really do much in the grand scheme of things its more about public policy.
FIFA the great non-profit organisation does it for profit ironically, but I'm bemused by Gianni
Let’s address what the difference is though. All of these policies are enacted by the acting government. These policies affect the residents of the country. The residents of the country vote who is in government and have alternatives available to those in government. So I’m not quite sure how any of these examples are in any way comparable to the point you’re making. Wonder what rights the migrants have in changing their working conditions? Wonder if any candidates in Qatar exist for their elections (oh wait) who would be supportive of the LBGTQ+ community?
I know for a fact the scripts are written and checked over by a number of people prior to being broadcast. They need to be really careful with what is said these days. The voice bit was a bit of humour. Apologies if I caused you to be uneasy.
Says the guy who responded to my question about why he was posting here with because of the internet. Right.
And you clearly feel strongly about the fact the US is just as unjust. Are you criticising this World Cup as much as the one you will in 2026?
Yup, and these countries it's a case of "you don't like it then feck off home" and often its a case of "oops we have your passport you cant actually leave", or its blackmail like "ok but you need to pay back the flight that we brought you here and your visa" which makes the person stay.
You can't question the leaders (dictators) in those countries, especially to a national or its just going to end in prison, or deportation.
No whataboutism please. I was asking a question about the 2026 WC in the US.
The irony.
Any group of people who can prove irreparable economic damage by an existing entity deserves reparations. Bringing up all these random examples doesn't really matter. If they can prove it and the entity still exists they should get their reparations.
I know, right?
Silly questions deserve silly answers
And the Muslim countries are well within their right to ensure their religion and belief systems come before anything. Why should they change to please the western world?
Sometimes the caf genuinely makes me laugh. Thanks
So the US & UK have to pay because they won ww2 while the losers get of free because they ceased to exist?
I think people just love to complain to be honest. Some of the stuff are legitimate points to raise but it comes across as xenophobia, just looking at another culture and complaining because they're not us, or not doing things the way we want.
It's easy to stand around pointing fingers, but how many of us are saints? Would we like it if others complained about us? Do you take the trash out when you're supposed to, mow the lawn? Do you check up on family members you haven't talked to in a while? Do you apologies for the wrongs you've caused? Have you stuck a sneaky finger up the wrong hole during masturbation? I think we should get our own houses in order before belying that of other's. Acceptance and empathy is the better path.
It's easy to stand around pointing fingers, but how many of us are saints? Would we like it if others complained about us? Do you take the trash out when you're supposed to, mow the lawn? Do you check up on family members you haven't talked to in a while? Do you apologies for the wrongs you've caused? Have you stuck a sneaky finger up the wrong hole during masturbation? I think we should get our own houses in order before belying that of other's. Acceptance and empathy is the better path.
Just because you didn’t understand why it’s relevant, doesn’t make it a silly question.
Residents of countries to no draft legislation. Residents of countries do not have direct access to politicians due to lobbying. In the US, they currently trying to make it harder for people to vote. Look up Gerrymandering in the US and tell me the solution is to simply vote them out. Extremely naive to even say this.
Then explain the relevance.
Sorry but this is totally bullshit. When we talk about LGBTQ+ rights, I understand this point of view. It’s against the primary religion of the country, I don’t agree at all with it but it’s not something that you can protest and change. Even in the west, it’s a journey to get to an inclusive place. But where your post falls down is migrant worker rights. About fair treatment by authorities. About basic human rights. Explain to me why giving pleasant working conditions to migrant workers and a reasonable pay, rather than stealing their passports, has anything to do with culture? It doesn’t. It should and is compatible with any culture all over the world. And so it’s such a shit excuse to say we should criticise it when we all make other mistakes.
A place where abortion is illegal in certain states, gay and black people are vilified in the south, regular school shootings, and bombing the sh#t out of the middle east for decades. There will be zero outrage don't be stupid.
Not sure how you even drew that conclusion but I'm not trying to argue semantics. I gave two examples: British Colonialism and American Slavery. If you think WW2 is comparable then ok.
Appreciate the condescending tone. Lord knows the US is far from perfect. As is Europe. As is any country. But what’s that got to do with me or anyone else anywhere in the world passing an opinion on a topic? To your eyes if their country historically has done something wrong, they can’t pass an opinion. Which surely negates you from passing yours. But OK, let’s assume this practice works. Is the world getting any better for it?
*Sigh* this again. What about the French Empire or the Spanish one? Belgium, Germany, Russia, The Netherlands all had colonies. Heck so did Scotland when it was an independent country. Slavery was rife across the entire world, not just in Europe.
So are you also including the people in those countries that are also disgusted that the world cup is being held in such a place in your view?
There's your soapbox, you're on it.
The difference is there is outrage every single day about all of this stuff. From within the country and out of it. Tell me how much outrage does Qatar receive on a day to day basis inside the country or outside? Most people wouldn’t have even known about it before the World Cup. Look at Dubai. How many people happily go visit Dubai when in reality the same issues as Qatar exist (or at least existed) there? You don’t need to boycott a World Cup in the US because it’s in the news every time something bad happens to a black person. Their ridiculous rules on abortion are in the media globally. You can’t equate that to calling out Qatar where none of these matters have any visibility otherwise.
You said entities that still exist should pay up while those that don't shouldn't. So the UK & US would have to pay up (for colonialism and slavery) simply for managing to survive as a entity.
Hypocrisy? Coming from one of the most corrupt organisations in history? His comments wouldn't have anything to do with the fact he resides in Doha surely.
Not only in Qatar. Big corporations and companies all over the world are using cheap labour in atrocious working conditions in many parts of the world. As much as we like to rightly criticise these countries questions should also be raised against the home countries of migrant workers who leave their families to accept such conditions. The migrants simply accept their fate because they can't get work in their own homeland and rates of pay are better despite all the issues they face abroad.
How is that condescending tone? I honestly find it to be an extremely naive point of view. How else should I phrase it?
Anyone can pass an opinion, but I reserve the right to roll my eyes if I have an issue with the source. I may agree with your position, but this notion that you can't question people or entities that you align with morally or politically is madness. It shouldn't even be controversial, but here we are.
Nah, all doesn’t matter because it isn’t “to do with the World Cup” and they are “a democracy in theory”.
You don’t know anything about me. How can you justify rolling your eyes in general at the entire population of the west on that basis?
I've been clear in my position. Throwing out random examples isn't proving anything. If they can prove economic harm, then yes, they deserve to be compensated. I'm sorry that the idea of financially compensating those who had their livelihoods and natural resources stolen bothers you so much.
Everything is okay then because its on the news channels? They have been killing innocent people in the middle east for years, but it's okay because we already know about it.
Not sure where I said it’s OK. No need to be obtuse.
Because, in my opinion, the West, especially a country like the US, should probably fix its internal problems and make amends for its past before pointing the finger at other countries. Has nothing to do with the views of individuals.
Umm... what?