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I don't think it did work out, but mostly because he hardly played, but that's Ole's fault, TBH I liked him, he was a United fan living his dream, if he'd had a proper chance I think he'd have done quite well
He played (and scored) quite a bit when he initially came in, but then inexplicably fell out of favour. I doubt it was an off-field issue as he was regarded as a good professional, as well as (as you’ve said) living his dream.

Maybe it was just a symptom of Ole getting less and less willing to deviate from his favourite 11.
 

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Can't wait to bring the workhorse in. Wasn't he described as an Ian Rush kind of player? Ok I will scrub my mouth now.
 

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I think I see the logic now. Aboubakar rumor was spread so that after that disaster Weghorst loan sounds like a smart move.

Sigh. And we are doing this to an amazing manager, best manager we've had after Sir Alex. Feck Glazers.
What if the amazing manager WANTS him? And would rather have him than Felix, Gakpo etc?

Feck EtH?
 

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I think I see the logic now. Aboubakar rumor was spread so that after that disaster Weghorst loan sounds like a smart move.

Sigh. And we are doing this to an amazing manager, best manager we've had after Sir Alex. Feck Glazers.
I don't think Weghorst is a bad idea but it is also on my mind that the Aboubakar rumour was used to prime us.. Again.
 

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Can't wait to bring the workhorse in. Wasn't he described as an Ian Rush kind of player? Ok I will scrub my mouth now.
Talking of washing out mouths his first goal against Argentina in World Cup was reminiscent of Oxlade-Chamberlain's on Monday

Seems like he can take a penalty with confidence as well which could be needed IF he signs of course. I also noticed that worked free kick has been utilised before at Wolfsburg
 
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For all Ten Hag's talk about signing the right players who are United standard and not average, I struggle to see how Weghorst fits any part of that description.
Simples. Clearly, ETH thinks Wout is above average in terms of footballing and financial criteria.
 

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What if the amazing manager WANTS him? And would rather have him than Felix, Gakpo etc?

Feck EtH?
This is my take from it and I'll explain why.

In the summer ETH wanted Arnautovic. There was uproar amongst the fanbase and majority of it had to do with his off the field issues and we pulled out of the deal. I actually think people were pissed because of the player he is (not top class striker). But rather than explain why they didn't want him it was easier to just use his off the field issues.

Currently Arnautovic is tied 2nd top goal scorer in Serie A with 8 goals in 14 games playing for Bologna. Victor Oshimen is ahead of him by 1 goal with 12 games played. I would absolutely love United to sign Oshimen in the summer but considering the price Napoli paid for him I could imagine they would want stupid money.

Arnautovic is ahead of Rafael Leao for AC Milan who is highly rated and apparently has a 150 million euro release clause.

Now would Arnautovics Serie A goals transfer to the PL with United? Probably not even though he would have much better players around him, but he would also be against tougher opposition.

Onto Weghorst. ETH knows he needs a plan B. Or it could be his plan A instead of Martial.

I'm on ETH side thinking that we need a whole different approach when necessary. Weghorst is a good finisher and he's a beast in the air.

We obviously aren't going Moyes ball with 81 crosses into the box. That's not the plan. The last few games showed we could do with something different in the box. We had plenty of the ball but Rashford was coming short to get it, so was Martial. Weghorst isn't going to do that, he will be in the box expecting a cross. I'd fancy him getting on the end of a cross before Martial/Rashford.

Will he set the world alight? No. But he definitely will offer something different.

I'm all for it and trust in ETH.
 
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Can't wait to bring the workhorse in. Wasn't he described as an Ian Rush kind of player? Ok I will scrub my mouth now.
He is like Ian Rush but only when the Welsh fount himself against top quality defenders (ie the ones in the Serie A)
 

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Anyway heading 89 on FIFA. I think he is the perfect Plan B.
 

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Cons:
-I hate the vibes. Roberts from Wales/Burnley screaming at him to ask why he didn't do that for Burnley (after he played well for the Dutch against them) is something you should see fairly often at international level but you never do, which makes me think he hated Weghorst, so maybe he crossed the line professionally there. He's also an anti-vaxxer and weirdly often rumoured to be a racist. My guess is he doesn't do anything too embarassing apart from some fun/cringey shithousing in the 4 months he's with us, but when he inevitably makes a horrible statement or does something bad in the future we're embarassed to have him as a club **** hero a la Fellaini if he does contribute to winning something this year.

-No pace, not great dropping deep with his feet and playing long balls doesn't seem to make sense with our style of play, though Ajax did well with Haller so this one is just Ten Hag understanding his system better than I do.

-Might clog the space up that Rashford wants to exploit centrally. Kind of think he's a better fit with Garnacho and Antony staying proper wide.

Pros:
-Incredibly likely that Ten Hag wants him as opposed to the club wanting him, and those signings have worked out.

-Different profile to Martial, and he has struggled to get into games against deep lines. Memphis or Thuram are more similar to Martial, so this gives us an alternative type, as would Moussa Dembele, though Weghorst is even more different.

-Being slow seems like less of a big deal with Rashford looking like a middle-class Cristiano and Antony starting to make more runs in behind.

-Same age as Aboubakar, but unlike him he's still probably in his prime I think, since he's a slower giant target man anyways and they peak late.

-Has had one bad season in like his last 8 and that was with a horrific Burnley side with no RW, #10 or DM. Started scoring for the Dutch at an okay rate the last 2 years even.

-Should be hungry, he's never played for a team this big and he never will again, but doing well here might bring a trophy and if he does well he'll get a decent move to like a Lille, Sevilla or Roma at worst, I bet.

Other:
-Putting off the decision to invest in a proper striker may be a club mandate, or just indicate a low budget in general for the summer that Ten Hag is unwilling to dip into, which makes sense since we're more likely to win a trophy, be in a proper title scrap or make a CL semi-final next year than this one (though we've had decent injury luck this year all in all), so nice to see Ten Hag keeping his eyes on the mid-term prize (we're still in the rebuilding stage, it's just going quite well and we're a rich team so rebuilding can happen on the fly), though end of the day there's still a decent chance when shopping at the loans level that Rashford up top and Garnacho or Sancho out left is the better idea, though if that's the case Ten Hag can just use Weghorst the way he does Maguire but in reverse (come on with 10 minutes to go and win headers, though when we're down or tied, not up, since he's a 9 and Maguire is a CB).
 
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I mean you can laugh but you actually bought Aubamayang and are paying him 300k a week…

Let that sink in
Makes me laugh innit. Would take this weghorst guy 100% over a washed out Auba even with the same wages. But Chelsea paid him 300k, imagine if Lord Boehly got his way and got Ronaldo too :lol: . They would have 800k per week wasted down the trashcan. Should have used that money to eradicate poverty.
 

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We are searching for a cheap loan signing. So don't let your standards too high.
 

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Ten Hag can just use Weghorst the way he does Maguire but in reverse
ETH uses Maguire as a bench warmer. Does that mean that Weghorst will become a key player?
 

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ETH uses Maguire as a bench warmer. Does that mean that Weghorst will become a key player?
Nah, means comes on with 10 minutes to go to head the ball, but when we're tied or losing, not winning by 1-2 goals.
 

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For all Ten Hag's talk about signing the right players who are United standard and not average, I struggle to see how Weghorst fits any part of that description.
Signing Weghorst on loan of half season will lead the manager to buy more time until summer transfer window to sign the right striker permanently that meets United standard and not average.
 

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Nah, means comes on with 10 minutes to go to head the ball, but when we're tied or losing, not winning by 1-2 goals.
Considering he is pressing machine and can offer defensive work, coming on in the last 10 mins when the team is winning by 1-2 goals can still be a sensible option
 

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Meh, my expectations were even lower, so this is not that bad.

The deal makes sense at least, so that is a positive.

Hopefully, the Glazers will have fecked off by the time of the summer window.
 

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Considering he is pressing machine and can offer defensive work, coming on in the last 10 mins when the team is winning by 1-2 goals can still be a sensible option
Good call.

Read some more about the Burnley stuff, and it paints him as a guy who would be horrible for us under the old broken managerial regimes but will suit us now that we have a great manager from the same country as him.

"When asked by The Athletic after the Norwich defeat about Weghorst, Dyche opened up on the issue he felt was affecting the striker. The former Burnley manager thought the 29-year-old was too team-bound, essentially focusing too much on trying to put out every fire instead of concentrating on his own game.

It is understood Weghorst could, while not bringing down the mood, cut a frustrated figure around the training ground at times while searching for his second goal since his arrival."
 

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Nah, means comes on with 10 minutes to go to head the ball, but when we're tied or losing, not winning by 1-2 goals.
I was joking mate. Honestly I wouldn't read too much out of this deal. United are searching for a cheap loan option which basically rules out the majority of available players including available loan deals such as Felix. We are really scraping the bottom of the barrel here
 

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He’s a striker, which is what we’re crying out for.

Struggle to see him being anything other than a plan B off the bench, which will be an issue when Martial inevitably gets injured.

Is this really all we can do this month?
 

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He’s a striker, which is what we’re crying out for.

Struggle to see him being anything other than a plan B off the bench, which will be an issue when Martial inevitably gets injured.

Is this really all we can do this month?
By the looks of it yes. It’s either him or aboubakar. Apparently ETH wants a striker that’s dominant in the air.
 

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He’s a striker, which is what we’re crying out for.

Struggle to see him being anything other than a plan B off the bench, which will be an issue when Martial inevitably gets injured.

Is this really all we can do this month?
My Manc friends pretty much feel this. Not a bad deal considering and it's a low risk move, but disappointing that this looks to be the best you're able to do.
 

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ETH already spoken about Martial's workload. If this is the solution then I'm all behind him.
Genuinely think he wants Felix on top to compete/rotate with Martial and Bruno. He says how important Martial’s quality and profile is to us but that he can’t play 3 games a week - Weghorst is nothing like Martial in terms of profile - he offers a different option when plan A isn’t working. Felix is like Martial in terms of profile, it would give us 8 options for 4 positions, allow Elanga to be loaned out as he can play wide too and mean Bruno could cover Eriksen deeper too.
 

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To all the ‘In ETH I trust’ & ‘If ETH wants him he’s good enough for me’ folk, you don’t honestly believe that this is even close to what Erik actually wants? Forget Kane, Felix or Morata, I want that lad that scored 2 in 20 for Burnley & helped get them relegated.

We’re shopping in the bargain basement. The knockoffs & the freebies section. Erik has basically no choice in which striker he gets & is going to have to make do with whatever the club can come up with that costs them nothing. Which seems to be Waghorst or Abubakar. The idea that we’re going after him because ETH is a big fan or specially wants him is ludicrous. He’s simply trying to make the best of a ridiculous situation. If he manages to get us top 4 with Martial & Weghorst as his two #9 options then the man is a genius.

I just hope the new owners give him some proper tools to work with. Because right now he’s having to work with one hand tied behind his back.
 

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I’ve got nothing against the player but United have been putting a sticking plaster over the CF since spending big on Lukaku. That signing also turned out to be a dud so you could argue our last decent CF signing was RVP back in 2013. It really is a shambles for a club the size of United.
 

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This feels very odd. it's a long time since we've had a "giant" up front (if ever - Mark Hughes would seem to be the closest ever). If he can hold it up and bring others in, that's fine but no sure our crossing is good enough to have a guy who will outjump defenders to head it in. Mind you, there's not exactly a huge choice out there and this would bring something different if needed
 

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I was joking mate. Honestly I wouldn't read too much out of this deal. United are searching for a cheap loan option which basically rules out the majority of available players including available loan deals such as Felix. We are really scraping the bottom of the barrel here
My bad, I thought I was unclear with my writing.

I mean, it's the main transfer thing to discuss. Maybe we sign Frimpong, maybe we keep Wan-Bissaka until the summer, but loan striker is really the only game in town.

And I do think it still tells us that Ten Hag prefers 2nd or 3rd choices for Ajax (presumably they considered him at times, particularly before they signed Haller) and he might well have been interested in joining. A surprising lack of bullshit links online for Ajax and Weghorst over the years, though, just looking at a quick google. He's exactly the kind of Dutch or Eredivisie semi-expensive veteran they sign sometimes (Blind, Tadic, Promes, Berghuis), especially since it's hard to grow a 9 in the academy.
 

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This feels very odd. it's a long time since we've had a "giant" up front (if ever - Mark Hughes would seem to be the closest ever)
? At 1.78, Hughes is shorter than... most of our centre-forwards signed after him. He's barely even taller than Rooney.
 

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Aye, we’d sign Mbappe and you’ll still have a few being left unhappy :lol:

This is clearly a short term move, adding depth to the squad “option” and by the links - someone with different qualities as well (tall, more physical etc), to get us to the end of the season.
 

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This feels very odd. it's a long time since we've had a "giant" up front (if ever - Mark Hughes would seem to be the closest ever). If he can hold it up and bring others in, that's fine but no sure our crossing is good enough to have a guy who will outjump defenders to head it in. Mind you, there's not exactly a huge choice out there and this would bring something different if needed
Fellaini
 

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I’m not a fan of this move. When we had Fellaini up top we started long ball football. Just aimlessly targeting him. Arguably we were doing the same for Ronaldo when he was on the pitch too.

I don’t want us to resort to this tactic just because we see this giant up front.
 

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Big man upfront when we need a goal last 15-20 mins. I see no issue with that short term. ETH wants him maybe he noticed a trend in the league. Lots of game still to play. Rashy won’t be scoring all the time
 

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To all the ‘In ETH I trust’ & ‘If ETH wants him he’s good enough for me’ folk, you don’t honestly believe that this is even close to what Erik actually wants? Forget Kane, Felix or Morata, I want that lad that scored 2 in 20 for Burnley & helped get them relegated.

We’re shopping in the bargain basement. The knockoffs & the freebies section. Erik has basically no choice in which striker he gets & is going to have to make do with whatever the club can come up with that costs them nothing. Which seems to be Waghorst or Abubakar. The idea that we’re going after him because ETH is a big fan or specially wants him is ludicrous. He’s simply trying to make the best of a ridiculous situation. If he manages to get us top 4 with Martial & Weghorst as his two #9 options then the man is a genius.

I just hope the new owners give him some proper tools to work with. Because right now he’s having to work with one hand tied behind his back.
What a load of nonsense! One hand tied behind his back? He brought in £250m of players he chose himself in his first window at the club!

We aren't going to be signing a big name striker this window because they aren't available. We have to be a bit smarter to see us through to the next summer window when I would expect more coming and going. This is a smart move and it will give more options.
 
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Last 20 minutes of a game we have the option of bringing on Garnacho to run at tiring full backs or bring on Weighurst to get on the end of crosses. Real threat from the bench and cheap. Loan Elanga to Everton and the cost is almost covered. To say nothing of the wage saving from Ronaldo.
 

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Must admit I’m all for this. Offers something different and knows where the net is in recent times. We need an alternative/backup to Martial and I think he’s good enough to do that for 6 months until we get new owners who can rebuild in the summer.
 

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I’m not a fan of this move. When we had Fellaini up top we started long ball football. Just aimlessly targeting him. Arguably we were doing the same for Ronaldo when he was on the pitch too.

I don’t want us to resort to this tactic just because we see this giant up front.
Weghorst is a player that actually prefers to be played to in his feet. His weakness is his pace, but technically he’s quite good for a big fella. And yes I’ve seen a lot of him since his AZ days.
 
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