Some of the takes in this thread are fecking disgusting.
Jesse Lingard | Seoul singer
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Some deep-seated hatred in some of you. Blimey.
Sounds like he wasn't a fan of Ole...
He’s right though. We are miles behind in terms of internet content. You see the stuff PSG and even City put out and it’s crazy. It creates a better relationship with fans, and expands potential markets too.
I know this forum is full of Flintstones, but there’s nothing wrong with what he said
Alcoholism and depression are valid mental health challenges and need to be respected.
Having said that, this is a person who has made millions of the club and is now looking to make more money discussing why United haven't been doing well. This isn't his first such interview and surely wouldn't be the last.
Across multiple personal challenges that he faced, he was always getting paid exorbitantly by the club and the first opportunity he gets, he's shi**ing on the club itself. Easily throwing in Pogba's name to bucket himself in the same category. He's a leech and we're far better without such characters in the squad.
Having said that, this is a person who has made millions of the club and is now looking to make more money discussing why United haven't been doing well. This isn't his first such interview and surely wouldn't be the last.
Across multiple personal challenges that he faced, he was always getting paid exorbitantly by the club and the first opportunity he gets, he's shi**ing on the club itself. Easily throwing in Pogba's name to bucket himself in the same category. He's a leech and we're far better without such characters in the squad.
Not really. That’s how the world is going. There’s clubs that are smaller than United but hit target markets with their content. United have always been slow when it comes to the tech side of things. Their social media account used to lag behind the other clubs long before the rise of TikTok and Instagram.
I do feel bad for him if he was having a hard time personally. It must have been tough to be taking care of siblings.
Having said that, he was definitely a part of the issues at United and we are better off without him. The players seem happier and more United and the constant stories and leaks have ground to a halt.
I think he has shown great hussle to make the money he has out of football. He isn’t nearly as good a player as his pay has merited.
Having said that, he was definitely a part of the issues at United and we are better off without him. The players seem happier and more United and the constant stories and leaks have ground to a halt.
I think he has shown great hussle to make the money he has out of football. He isn’t nearly as good a player as his pay has merited.
His attitude is stinking. Getting rid of jumped-up prats like this fella is part of the reason we’re in a much better place.
I sympathized with him during the tough period, but this interview doesn't really do him much favour, in fact I think he comes off a little bitter. Like the part where he had a point about United's socials team lagging behind, but then he seemed to take issue with the fact that they refused to do Youtube content with him.
He's a player, it really shouldn't be his focus in any way. That is the point being made.
He should stick to doing the job he's paid for. He's not a social media consultant, a brand adviser, or a digital content specialist. He's (nominally) a footballer. I'm no Luddite but it seems weird to me that a footballer would have any sort of say on a club's digital content strategy. It seems symptomatic of someone whose primary focus has shifted to pratting around on TikTok.
Here's the infamous days off incident when he went AWOL and Rangnick sounded confused in the presser
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He’s just a bad pro. Overrates the value of his voice.
Truly upsetting that he’s had mental health and substance abuse problems.
But that doesn’t mean we should listen to him. The guy behaves like a child. If he’s having fun and social media likes are important to him… fine. But he’s not an authority on it just because acting like a prick online gets other pricks hitting a like button.
Truly upsetting that he’s had mental health and substance abuse problems.
But that doesn’t mean we should listen to him. The guy behaves like a child. If he’s having fun and social media likes are important to him… fine. But he’s not an authority on it just because acting like a prick online gets other pricks hitting a like button.
Games room and behind on the internet. 
Probably mad United didn't make an esport team and let him captain it.
Probably mad United didn't make an esport team and let him captain it.
People laugh at being behind on the internet stuff but fan engagement is huge now. Look at the stuff Arsenal, City etc. do in comparison.
I think one of the main reasons why we didn't have as much success post SAF that Jesse missed out on was mediocre players being allowed to stick around for years playing 100-200 games for United. Jesse himself played 230 games and was first choice for long stretches, that wouldn't have happened under SAF with the players we had the previous two decades.
Watched the video, it was sad what he went through on a personal level.
However, he came across a little bit entitled and not having the winners mentality.
What summed it up for me was his reason to choose Nottingham Forest over West Ham. In his own words, “They showed him more love and flew him here and there”. Nothing wrong with it but shows he has his priorities crossed.
However, he came across a little bit entitled and not having the winners mentality.
What summed it up for me was his reason to choose Nottingham Forest over West Ham. In his own words, “They showed him more love and flew him here and there”. Nothing wrong with it but shows he has his priorities crossed.
Eh? He clearly states in the interview Ole supported him.
City buy followers on Instagram etc. Remember their official Twitter Account was banned for having large numbers of fake followers and about 58% of their Instagram followers are fake accs. It's kind of nonsense.
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Less that, more the type of content they put out on YouTube.
Comes across as entitled and thinks far too highly of himself. Never any acceptance of blame on his part, it was always something or somebody else.
He talks about the SAF years, SAF would have shipped him out years ago.
He talks about the SAF years, SAF would have shipped him out years ago.
Because the last flagging player to blame the clubs facilities and the backroom staff who didn’t respect him in an interview went down soooo well.
I actually feel sorry for Jesse. He was a great squad asset who was overplayed and badly utilised during an infamously poor phase for the club, who won us an FA Cup and truly loved the place. It must be really hard to see that end badly, and mental health should never be scoffed at. And he definitely got dogs abuse at times
Still, it’s some pretty terrible self awareness to even be talking about the social media stuff. It’s completely irrelevant to anything. And while it’s entirely different in tone to the Ronaldo interview, there’s a similar streak of “it was all the bad men and the swimming pool” that was never gonna lend itself well to fan sympathy, sadly.
I actually feel sorry for Jesse. He was a great squad asset who was overplayed and badly utilised during an infamously poor phase for the club, who won us an FA Cup and truly loved the place. It must be really hard to see that end badly, and mental health should never be scoffed at. And he definitely got dogs abuse at times
Still, it’s some pretty terrible self awareness to even be talking about the social media stuff. It’s completely irrelevant to anything. And while it’s entirely different in tone to the Ronaldo interview, there’s a similar streak of “it was all the bad men and the swimming pool” that was never gonna lend itself well to fan sympathy, sadly.
Read the BBC article and watched some clips.
Abuse from fans and problems with mum's health led to depression and I can totally understand that. Everyone goes on about how much money he earned... honestly, I save a lot of money while I'm depressed. I don't do much at all. I have more money than I need at those times. I don't even look at the bank account, it takes care of itself. Money doesn't buy you happiness is a cliché, but one based on copious amounts of people who have valid experiences. Once you can manage your utility bills, afford shelter over your head, afford warmth, food and health... honestly, money after that is nice and it gives some short term highs (holidays, events, etc) but generally it doesn't make you instantly wonderful and happy at all. People saying things equal to "this guy earned a lot of money so he has no right to talk about being depressed" - that's honestly pure ignorance. Either you've never been depressed, in which case congratulations (I wasn't depressed until I was in my 30s and very financially comfortable - it can happen for any kind of reason)... or you have been depressed but not financially stable, in which case I can sympathise with you, but still think you're being ignorant about it. Ignorance isn't always intentional, I respect that, I'm sure I'm ignorant of a huge amount of things too, such as what it's like to be black in a white-dominant country, or white in a black-dominant country, or to be pregnant, or whatever. But a little empathy goes a long way.
Generally speaking, I back what he's said about the club, I agree with pretty much all his thoughts on it. At least Lingard is focusing more on "the club needs to do better" rather than "I deserve to start every game, I'm amazing". I agree that if you're asked if you want time off it shouldn't be published to the media. I agree that having a manager ask about your mum when she's having problems is a good thing to happen. I agree the club needs better facilities, and that he deserved five minutes having been at the club as long as he was (people are comparing him to Januzaj who was here for just 4 years of his life, while Lingard was here for 22 years, how is that even comparable).
The website and social media management? Maybe that's a bit far. I'm not bothered about the lack of games room, although I can appreciate that it would be nice if I were at that level but I wouldn't speak about it to the media. It's probably the only area I can critique him on this interview from what I've been reading about what he said.
I agree with many saying that people are showcasing hatred and disgusting views in this thread. Lingard danced on TikTok sometimes and had a silly nickname. I don't like to dance, personally, and I don't like attention on social media... but I have absolutely had a silly nickname (it's right there, you can read it, I got it when I was 12 and it stuck for life). If he likes dancing and showing off his life on the internet, that's up to him. So long as he puts in the effort on the pitch, I don't mind. From all accounts, all the players and most of the managers appreciated and liked the guy, I don't recall constant criticisms about him not working hard enough, or not turning up on time, or anything like that. People just see a dude dancing and not scoring goals and they think he should be spending literally every single second of his entire life trying to become the next Messi. Even Messi and Ronaldo took holidays, and I'm sure they both spend time doing things they enjoy outside of football. If Lingard likes to dance on TikTok or Instagram or whatever, so be it. I don't care. People getting livid at him for it just come across as jaded and bitter.
I don't think Lingard is one of the greatest players we've had at all, I think he was a solid bench player and at times he did justify starting. I don't have any issues with his tenure here. And the things he is saying about the club, are, quite frankly, things that (games room aside) should be said, as they encourage change.
Ronaldo's interview was a billion times worse than this, though. Lingard talked about his personal issues and failings and didn't seem to have any disagreement with the club's assessment of his position or status within the club, he wasn't insisting (that I have heard/seen/read) that he should have been played more often, that he was better than anyone else. He was simply saying he should have got 5 minutes to say bye to the club (I agree), that the facilities should have been better (I agree), that the club shouldn't publish to the media that he requested time off when the club asked him first (I agree), that depression is rough (I agree), that family problems are hard (I agree), and his personal experiences with each of the managers (which weren't terrible assessments, he had at least some positive things to say about LVG, Mourinho and Ole).
Abuse from fans and problems with mum's health led to depression and I can totally understand that. Everyone goes on about how much money he earned... honestly, I save a lot of money while I'm depressed. I don't do much at all. I have more money than I need at those times. I don't even look at the bank account, it takes care of itself. Money doesn't buy you happiness is a cliché, but one based on copious amounts of people who have valid experiences. Once you can manage your utility bills, afford shelter over your head, afford warmth, food and health... honestly, money after that is nice and it gives some short term highs (holidays, events, etc) but generally it doesn't make you instantly wonderful and happy at all. People saying things equal to "this guy earned a lot of money so he has no right to talk about being depressed" - that's honestly pure ignorance. Either you've never been depressed, in which case congratulations (I wasn't depressed until I was in my 30s and very financially comfortable - it can happen for any kind of reason)... or you have been depressed but not financially stable, in which case I can sympathise with you, but still think you're being ignorant about it. Ignorance isn't always intentional, I respect that, I'm sure I'm ignorant of a huge amount of things too, such as what it's like to be black in a white-dominant country, or white in a black-dominant country, or to be pregnant, or whatever. But a little empathy goes a long way.
Generally speaking, I back what he's said about the club, I agree with pretty much all his thoughts on it. At least Lingard is focusing more on "the club needs to do better" rather than "I deserve to start every game, I'm amazing". I agree that if you're asked if you want time off it shouldn't be published to the media. I agree that having a manager ask about your mum when she's having problems is a good thing to happen. I agree the club needs better facilities, and that he deserved five minutes having been at the club as long as he was (people are comparing him to Januzaj who was here for just 4 years of his life, while Lingard was here for 22 years, how is that even comparable).
The website and social media management? Maybe that's a bit far. I'm not bothered about the lack of games room, although I can appreciate that it would be nice if I were at that level but I wouldn't speak about it to the media. It's probably the only area I can critique him on this interview from what I've been reading about what he said.
I agree with many saying that people are showcasing hatred and disgusting views in this thread. Lingard danced on TikTok sometimes and had a silly nickname. I don't like to dance, personally, and I don't like attention on social media... but I have absolutely had a silly nickname (it's right there, you can read it, I got it when I was 12 and it stuck for life). If he likes dancing and showing off his life on the internet, that's up to him. So long as he puts in the effort on the pitch, I don't mind. From all accounts, all the players and most of the managers appreciated and liked the guy, I don't recall constant criticisms about him not working hard enough, or not turning up on time, or anything like that. People just see a dude dancing and not scoring goals and they think he should be spending literally every single second of his entire life trying to become the next Messi. Even Messi and Ronaldo took holidays, and I'm sure they both spend time doing things they enjoy outside of football. If Lingard likes to dance on TikTok or Instagram or whatever, so be it. I don't care. People getting livid at him for it just come across as jaded and bitter.
I don't think Lingard is one of the greatest players we've had at all, I think he was a solid bench player and at times he did justify starting. I don't have any issues with his tenure here. And the things he is saying about the club, are, quite frankly, things that (games room aside) should be said, as they encourage change.
Ronaldo's interview was a billion times worse than this, though. Lingard talked about his personal issues and failings and didn't seem to have any disagreement with the club's assessment of his position or status within the club, he wasn't insisting (that I have heard/seen/read) that he should have been played more often, that he was better than anyone else. He was simply saying he should have got 5 minutes to say bye to the club (I agree), that the facilities should have been better (I agree), that the club shouldn't publish to the media that he requested time off when the club asked him first (I agree), that depression is rough (I agree), that family problems are hard (I agree), and his personal experiences with each of the managers (which weren't terrible assessments, he had at least some positive things to say about LVG, Mourinho and Ole).
Oh I see. I guess it's nice to have more quality content than less so good for them, but I'm not sure in the grand scheme of things it's a great yardstick to measure a club with... But as said in the thread maybe that's because I'm behind a bit, and the best club should have the best everything.
I'm actually kinda curious about this. Could you (or anyone!) give examples of the differences between what United and other clubs do? I only really monitor Manchester United in social media, and only a bit at that as I don't cover all social media places (left Facebook, for example, and only use Twitter if I have to for company support since they often use it for that).
Yeah, I think I'm in a similar boat / viewpoint. I don't really bother with much of social media, especially for football stuff - but I do think it is probably important to be good at it for a club in this new modern era, as fans will use it more and more in the long run.
How to fix the clubs issues....sort out the social media
He is a child. Hope he got closure from this and never feels the need to talk about United publicly again.
Nothing wrong with that, shows which club cared more. I’d choose a company that shower more willingness to hire me over another.
Are players not allowed to relax and intergrate/bond & form working relationships with the team then? Because that’s what a games room is forGames room and behind on the internet.
Probably mad United didn't make an esport team and let him captain it.
So players should just "shut up and dribble" and not care about anything else pertaining the club? Players don't only/just get paid for kicking ball on the pitch by the way
Not how I put it. However, if a player is underperforming the last thing he should be worried about is his club's presence on social media.
Mental to think otherwise.
Literally impossible.
It’s his place of work and the place where he enjoys doing the job he is supposed to do. Everything encompasses that. They’re employees of a company. Not a footballing robot
The clip about him thinking his mum had depression since he was born is sad.
I dont get why a lot of people hate him. Hes not our player anymore. And hes talking about behind the scenes stuff, which he is privvy to. The one bit about the Ronaldo interview that was worth listening to was him talking about the club facilities etc, parts we dont really get to hear about or see.
I dont get why a lot of people hate him. Hes not our player anymore. And hes talking about behind the scenes stuff, which he is privvy to. The one bit about the Ronaldo interview that was worth listening to was him talking about the club facilities etc, parts we dont really get to hear about or see.
We do hear about them though, Ronaldo didn't really say anything that we didn't know about the facilities, there's been stories on it for years now.
I think it's quite telling the parts of the story Lingard chooses to gloss over. He fleetingly mentions not going back to West Ham after the loan and the subsequent loan bid from Newcastle the following January but seems to kick up more of a fuss about a lack of a table tennis or pool table.
Perhaps it's that he can't express himself very well but I think he's been deliberately vague on the details that could paint him in a bad light. Same goes for when he was asked about the West Ham move breaking down last summer - he says he doesn't want to go into it. I imagine that means it broke down due to the financial element, which is fine, but surely he could be more honest about that?
Perhaps it's that he can't express himself very well but I think he's been deliberately vague on the details that could paint him in a bad light. Same goes for when he was asked about the West Ham move breaking down last summer - he says he doesn't want to go into it. I imagine that means it broke down due to the financial element, which is fine, but surely he could be more honest about that?
Who is paying you for broadcasting these opinions? The ROI can't be too good, whoever it is.
No but him having an opinion on social media strategy is like him having an opinion on the club's loan refinancing or IT infrastructure. It's baseless and only serves to emphasize that he really wants to be an influencer and not a footballer.
So now you're equating disinterested members of the public on a forum sharing opinions on something to which they have no professional connection with someone that's been remunerated handsomely by their employer over a period of years talking shit about a side of the business that they've little intimate knowledge of? Yeah, nice one.