It is blatant cheating though. They’ve spent money the rules said they couldn’t. They don’t win those titles without doing that.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches
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But they weren’t convicted of crimes then right? We were shit the year the sentence same down. I remember being 6th and everybody was saying 5th might have been good enough for CL
It was a two year ban and I think Liverpool won the league in the second season and I’d say they’d have rebuilt after that so it really was just Ole second placed season.
I know everybody was cheated for well over a decade now but it’s the months before the Ole season where they were fecking found out and punished. They should have stayed punished because they were guilty as hell and are so guilty they’re being punished 3 years later for the same fecking thing.
They already got caught!
Has any team ever had titles stripped off them?
Juventus.
Juve.
Juve. But 2nd team didn't got those titles (i think)
Sure, but it wasn't for anything financial related.
Chelsea, Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid all got done over some transfers involving U18 players from outside the EU and all got a transfer ban for 1-2 windows depending on how many breaches there were guilty of. Pre-agreements for non-EU under-18 players are allowed like RM with Vini/Rodrygo/Endrick but straight up signing them when still underage is forbidden. Not sure how any of that is relevant for FFP purposes though.
I think at the moment it's looking quite likely we'll break the UEFA FFP within the next few years if/when we don't qualify for the CL for next season but we'll have to deal with that when the time comes. First offence for every other club has previously just been a fine.
Will definitely be interesting to see what happens to City now, and when the final verdict will even be ready (if anything even comes out of this). I think changing the league winners in retrospect would be the wrong move and any punishment should only affect them going forwards, though I'm sure many United (and Liverpool) fans will disagree because they'd get more titles if City's were stripped and titles awarded to whoever finished second.
Juventus.
Not aware of any precedent for Epl
Juves 04/05 and 05/06 titles were taken off them.
04/05 Milan were second but they were also involved in the scandal so it was declared no winner. 05/06 was given to runners up Inter.
They are going to get a penalty. That penalty won’t be as drastic as it should be, but somewhat heavy. Than it will be reduced on appeal to virtually nothing and everything will continue the same.
Thing is how can City actually change? From the outside looking in, their entire structure is based on financial doping. Ridiculous how quickly they shot up those Deloitte/Forbes rich list bollocks - something that took normal big clubs decades of investment and growth to achieve.
I just can’t see them all of a sudden living within their means and being self sufficient - the wages their players (and Pep) must be on are surely astronomical.
I just can’t see them all of a sudden living within their means and being self sufficient - the wages their players (and Pep) must be on are surely astronomical.
Marseille, too. (And PSG refused the vacant title.)
In this context, I would think of it more that they gained an unfair advantage if the allegations are true. I don't think it falls into the realms of blatant cheating like bribery, match-fixing and corruption. I think only those would result in stripping of honours for the years in scope.
I get what you mean though, they have cheated their way in a sense, but not in the blatant way that the governing bodies would need to see.
It is corruption. And blatant cheating.
Juventus was punished for one transfer. In City's case, we're talking about 100 breaches of FFP regulations, if they get the same punishment it will be laughable.
Something like this but we can dream…
If all they get is a financial penalty then thats a slap on the wrist.
Need to be a much heavier sanction.
Need to be a much heavier sanction.
I do fully expect that in the end the punishment will massively underwhelm and not fit the crimes. It’s just football is now, certainly in this country.
Oh yeah already expecting that outcome
Yeah will be another wussy fine and carry on financially doping to your hearts content
That 15 million £ penalty they are going to get in the end will cripple them. Just trust the FA.
Something like 15 points deduction would be nice, although they'd still be ahead of Chelsea and Liverpool
Nope, the Juve case is a bad comparison. The charges against City are far more serious. This is more than a few accounting tricks over a few years. It's a deep corruption across many financial areas and attempted cover up. It makes Juve look like choir boys. I haven't seen a legal expert yet who thinks City are going to escape relegation over this if the charges stick.
Pipe down, no one cares
Would say could he walk over this but then City will weasel their way out so nope
100 charges deserves relegation should they be guilty. Fecking cheats.
What does VAR say? Have we seen the lines yet?
I disregard the titles they've won, them being offiically chalked off seems pretty natural to me.
I'd relegate them, the FFP is a relatively minor infringement. But they've been infringing it every year for 15 years. They've been making a half assed attempt to hide it and taking on a we'll sue you if you enforce the rules stance that means they need to be made an example of in my opinion. Theres no attempt towards reconciling their finances to reality or negotiating a parachute of sorts to cover wages they cant afford. Maybe you just dock them 30 points or whatever next season but it needs to be a narrow escape from something far worse, with ruinous results if they break the rule again.
I'd relegate them, the FFP is a relatively minor infringement. But they've been infringing it every year for 15 years. They've been making a half assed attempt to hide it and taking on a we'll sue you if you enforce the rules stance that means they need to be made an example of in my opinion. Theres no attempt towards reconciling their finances to reality or negotiating a parachute of sorts to cover wages they cant afford. Maybe you just dock them 30 points or whatever next season but it needs to be a narrow escape from something far worse, with ruinous results if they break the rule again.
Those lines are dodgy.
Fraudulent financial and accounting practices and corruption are not the same thing. It stinks, and I hope they get as harsh a punishment as possible, but all I'm saying is that stripping of titles is beyond anything we'll likely see here because you can't equate this to match-fixing or anything like that.
Probably but a 4+ year investigation will look pointless if that’s the case
City will bombard them with lawyers and threats of counter suits it’s gonna be hard for the PL but they’re going after a team who have dominated in recent years and must have seen the UEFA case they have some bollocks
They might give City a 20 point deduction that allows Liverpool to sneak into the Champion's League in what would have been 5th place.
This was inevitable. Everyone knew they were cooking the books. Even recently, one of their betting partners/sponsors was found to be bogus. They did not exist, didn't have a website or registered CEO. When something so obvious like that is occurring, and in full view of everyone, it's only a matter of time. I'm surprised that they got away with it for 14 seasons.
You don’t class this as blatant cheating? The scope of the unfair advantages they’ve gained and the opportunities missed by other clubs is damn near unprecedented
Swindon were denied promotion and also relegated for far fewer offences than this.
The minimum punishment for being found guilty on any of these charges should be relegation to league 2 and a massive compensation payable into a hardship fund that supports the lower leagues.
The minimum punishment for being found guilty on any of these charges should be relegation to league 2 and a massive compensation payable into a hardship fund that supports the lower leagues.
Can only really see them getting a points deduction for this season (which, while they're in with a chance of winning it's not as likely as Arsenal winning anyway) and a transfer ban which they'll appeal long enough to sign loads of players in the summer. And feck all else will happen if we're being honest.
I fully expect nothing to come off of this because more money in the PL is a good thing for the league / english system as a whole. EPL will be the new super league. TV rights money will increase and flow through the pyramid. That'll cement the PL's position as the best in the world - 3 of the top four sides in the world are english at the moment per UEFA.
It's not fair, but when has fairness ever mattered? And to be honest, the pre-oil system where the big players always remain big isn't exactly fair either.
It's not fair, but when has fairness ever mattered? And to be honest, the pre-oil system where the big players always remain big isn't exactly fair either.
The FA doesn’t just have to fight City. They will have to fight a whole country on this. Abu Dhabi will just throw resources at this, until it’s gone.