The FA is fecking useless. They don't have the balls to do anything.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
We won it twenty times, we won it twenty tiiiiimeees, Without cheating anyone, we won it twenty times!
I can't help feeling that all of this will come to nothing. After the last UEFA hearing got diverted to CAS and overturned, it doesn't feel like anything will stick to Man City.
If it's a slap on the wrist and a minimal points deduction in a season where City already look unlikely to win the league, that isn't much of a deterrent at all and hardly worth pursuing. The UEFA one might've at least affected City's participation in the Champions League if it came to fruition. Unless it's a severe punishment, FFP will continue to be treated as the joke it is and Chelsea are already flagrantly taking the piss out of it.
If it's a slap on the wrist and a minimal points deduction in a season where City already look unlikely to win the league, that isn't much of a deterrent at all and hardly worth pursuing. The UEFA one might've at least affected City's participation in the Champions League if it came to fruition. Unless it's a severe punishment, FFP will continue to be treated as the joke it is and Chelsea are already flagrantly taking the piss out of it.
Do you think they’ve lacked the nous to get away with this?
I think for years they’ve used their tremendous resources and somewhat skilful accountants to get around the rules and disguise it well. It’s taken a secretive investigation for 4 years to gather what they believe is a substantial pack of evidence that at this point has no guarantee of condemning City.
This got me
Agreed, the right brown envelope will find its way to the right pocket
Sad part about it is they’ve cheated genuine professionals out of titles they should have won fairly and they’ll never get that moment to celebrate
Finally a benefit to Brexit, we can do what we like to City and Europe can't bail them out.
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So they are just out to get Juve. One of the biggest and most successful clubs in Italy and they just want to tear them down every chance they get.
Or maybe Juve could stop doing dodgy stuff in the background.
Juventus have a bigger investigation in progress. Those 15 points are just for something they found while investigations larger fraud.
Every chance they get relegated as well
Luckily they have state-level defence.
A mere (multi billion) football club
The owner is richer than States. What a stupid thing to say.
Just as well as they are a state powered organisation then really isn't it!
100 rule breaks, about 12 will stick, and they'll either get a 1 point deduction that changes nothing, or more likely a fine, that is appealed and let off.
The football authorities have let this slide for almost 15 years. The government and MCC are happy for City’s owners to plough money into the local area. The media have given them a free pass all this time. Micah Richards has been employed as a pundit.
The whole thing is completely corrupt.
There is less than 1% chance of City being meaningfully sanctioned for this.
It has been allowed to happen all this time-why would things suddenly change?
The whole thing is completely corrupt.
There is less than 1% chance of City being meaningfully sanctioned for this.
It has been allowed to happen all this time-why would things suddenly change?
I kind of think that was the joke... r/woooosh and all that
Its satire ( atleast i think so)A mere (multi billion) football club
The owner is richer than States. What a stupid thing to say.
You choose the second from wherever you are, I know my chickens from the inside and choose the first.
If it did, it'd be the most meaningless way possible.
The VAR Champions, City won last season by one point thanks to outrageous VAR penalty decisions against Wolves and Everton, deserve all they get. City will, of course, throw money at it. We do know who this ‘Independent’ body will be that will look at it, but let’s hope it’s not got at. CAS watered down City’s punishment strangel. Not saying they were got at, just saying. Guardiola‘s strange comments last week about ‘clubs writing to the PL to get rid of us’ make sense now . He must have known this was coming. If he had an ounce of pride, he should resign when it’s all over and reaches the true conclusion. Of course, City fans moaning about the rules and United’s debt as they always do to divert attention.
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Be interesting to see if Pep Elliot Ness Guardiola will keep his word and walk if the Berties are found guilty.
Too bad no one is thinking that letting cheats do whatever they want can hurt the brand.
To be honest, I think that a league without City will be more interesting as they are ahead of everyone in terms of cheating.
A pretty reasonable response. I have pointed out to people that nowhere mentions stripping of titles. That I believe is a pipe dream. Otherwise the media would be all over it whipping the Dippers up, in particular, into a frenzy.
For me, I expect a fine a a point deduction. How big the point deduction will be, will come out in the wash.
Yep.
Also would be worth it for the Jose Press Conference. No way he lets an additional league title just pass by quietly
Everyone with common sense know that they were cooking books.
No way you get Silva or Aquero in city without some shady dealing. Half of EUROPE were after them and they choose city. I hope they go down, but nothing will happen.
Money talks.
No way you get Silva or Aquero in city without some shady dealing. Half of EUROPE were after them and they choose city. I hope they go down, but nothing will happen.
Money talks.
Cheats. I said it the day they won that first title. Still say it. Newcastle too, now. Nation state does not = football club. United steer clear, the American creeps are dire, but even they are better than corrupt regimes. Pep has no shame. Strip them of the titles they never won. Look at Rangers how they were treated. League 2, only allowed with new owners/management structure after 2 years. Requires full disclosure.
How do you mean I've lost you? You literally said in the post I replied to; "It doesn't get more "blatant cheating" than this" which would imply that there are 'levels' as you put it, to blatant cheating, and you think this ranks as high as can be.. That's completely fair enough of course, I can see your point but I just don't agree. Not sure why you're trying to achieve with the whole "you've lost me" spiel.
You lost me at “more blatant cheating”. It’s either blatant cheating or it isn’t. There aren’t levels to what’s “more blatant” as blatant is already the qualifier.
Anyway, I don't want this to dissolve into some grammar war. Yes, I think match fixing is blatant cheating, no I don't think what City are charged with here qualifies as severe as that, and hence why I believe it's highly unlikely that they'll be stripped of honours and that points deductions and/or fines are the most likely outcome.
Could be wrong, hope I am.
What have Newcastle done so far to be corrupt? If anything this will make sure they don't think about it in the future.
The key thing though is that regardless of how big the fine and deduction is, they are going to have to clean up their act and that breaks their current business model.
They won’t be able to afford to sustain their current investment levels without secret payments and dodgy sponsors. Everything they do is going to be under the microscope.
One of the things that comes out of this should be a yearly audit of their accounts by an independent body.
The last point in the screenshot going around about possible punishment literally says they can make any other punishment that they see fit.
FFS, even I got the joke.
I expand on it in this thread, but the overall impression of the allegations are that they are substantial and seem to be substantiated (largely by the Football Leak emails).
Even If many of the accusations are tossed, if City are found guilty of them, it shows a clear pattern of systematic cheating and intention to cover it up. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are demoted to be honest, and I do expect significant pts deduction at the least.
But with that said, a decision must be at least 6 months away, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s up to 18 months away.
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Even If many of the accusations are tossed, if City are found guilty of them, it shows a clear pattern of systematic cheating and intention to cover it up. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are demoted to be honest, and I do expect significant pts deduction at the least.
But with that said, a decision must be at least 6 months away, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s up to 18 months away.
All or Nothing: Manchester City.
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Their game v Wrexham next season will be box office
Turn of phrase. Again, blatant is the qualifier you used. “You’ve lost me” is not “spiel” - it’s me saying I don’t agree with you, and that’s where our points of view diverge. Are you OK?
I don’t expect them to be stripped of titles - I simply asked you if you don’t class this as blatant cheating and you said you didn’t class it as bad as bribery etc - which you reserve the to do, but didn’t necessarily answer my question. Subsequent reply was not even quoting you - but addressing someone else that said it would be hard to prove on an individual basis.
Oh don't get me wrong - they're corrupt and feck and a bunch of cheating cnuts. I've just resigned myself to them already getting away with it, and whatever punishment they do get being something that doesn't come close to fitting their crimes.
Without a doubt.
League 2 hopefully.