Post match v Liverpool

[RuudTom83]

The players should take their medicine and move on...a good humbling last weekend can be used for motivation for the rest of the season.

 

[m1tch]

A few days later and I still can't get my head around how a team with Varane, Martinez and Casemiro in it could let this happen. If they couldn't control the team then we probably need to rethink ideas like "right back / goalkeeper / centre midfield / etc might not be immediate priorities in the summer."

I'm not sure what to think of the argument of "it's one result", I can't stop thinking of Keano's quote after Liverpool thrashed us 5-0 at Old Trafford...
“There are too many bluffers, and ultimately these players will cost Ole his job. The players he has got there, they threw the previous manager under the bus, and they will do the same to Ole.”
Have we got rid of enough of the bluffers?

 

[Holocene]

A few days later and I still can't get my head around how a team with Varane, Martinez and Casemiro in it could let this happen. If they couldn't control the team then we probably need to rethink ideas like "right back / goalkeeper / centre midfield / etc might not be immediate priorities in the summer."

I'm not sure what to think of the argument of "it's one result", I can't stop thinking of Keano's quote after Liverpool thrashed us 5-0 at Old Trafford...
“There are too many bluffers, and ultimately these players will cost Ole his job. The players he has got there, they threw the previous manager under the bus, and they will do the same to Ole.”
Have we got rid of enough of the bluffers?

Freak results do happen. We need to see how the team performs over the next two games to conclude it's a freak result, but I do think it is.

The biggest takeway for me is that the mentality issue (the biggest issue we have had post Fergie) is still a work in progress. No doubt we are getting there though.

 

[MUFC OK]

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I mean come on, don’t do that shit ffs.

Says a lot for the standards of our fanbase that many were so ready to laud Weghorst. Yes he was a creative solution to a problem but he's so far below the level that's required, it's actually laughable.

That guy has a point as well, if that was Ronaldo/Pogba touching the sign the knives would be out on here.

 

[Slevs]

A few days later and I still can't get my head around how a team with Varane, Martinez and Casemiro in it could let this happen. If they couldn't control the team then we probably need to rethink ideas like "right back / goalkeeper / centre midfield / etc might not be immediate priorities in the summer."

I'm not sure what to think of the argument of "it's one result", I can't stop thinking of Keano's quote after Liverpool thrashed us 5-0 at Old Trafford...
“There are too many bluffers, and ultimately these players will cost Ole his job. The players he has got there, they threw the previous manager under the bus, and they will do the same to Ole.”
Have we got rid of enough of the bluffers?

Yes.
When Keane says "bluffer", he's chucking in all the players who are actual bluffers, aren't good enough, or are past it.

Our line up that day was:

DDG
Victor Lindelöf (benched)
Harry Maguire (benched)
Luke Shaw (starter)
Aaron Wan-Bissaka (rotation)
Fred (rotation for Eriksen)
Bruno Fernandes (starter)
Scott McTominay (benched)
Cristiano Ronaldo (left)
Marcus Rashford (starter)
Mason Greenwood (N/A)

That's without mentioning the subs (Pogba who got red carded etc.) and other players who weren't in the matchday squad.

Out of the above, we got rid of Ronaldo (who was definitely not a bluffer but was past his best). The rest are all still here.

The 2 CBs are perma benched, McTominay is probably leaving in the summer, and Fred is rotation for the injured Eriksen.

We're probably signing a good starting RB in the summer to replace one of AwB/Dalot, as this position was heavily speculated on in the summer and winter transfer windows.
Fred won't be playing this much when Eriksen is back and once we sign another midfielder in the summer.

We effectively got rid of enough bluffers/players who weren't good enough/old legs

Nemanja Matic (no legs)
Paul Pogba (perma crock)
Jesse Lingard (class clown, bluffer)
Edinson Cavani (no legs, perma crock)
Juan Mata (no legs, love him)
Lee Grant (retired)
Dean Henderson (no words)
Andreas Pereira (not good enough)
Eric Bailly (perma crock)
Alex Telles (not good enough)

 

[noodlehair]

Still not got my head around how shockingly poor and just plain childish that performance was.

Quite genuinely the worst I've ever seen from any professional sports team, and even if I include school games etc. I've been involved in, in terms of the attitude I think it's still a very strong contender. The worst part being that I really don't think that's being all that dramatic. If anything I'm being harsh on school teams.

It's not even like they were put in a difficult position by the ref etc. They conceded two shite goals due to their own pretty basic defensive errors, and then used that as an excuse to conduct the biggest and most prolonged sulk/tantrum ever seen on live television.

How am I meant to carry on taking this bunch of players seriously when I know that's how they react to things not going their way?

The only person coming out with any credit is Ten Hag, because he must be working miracles to make a group pf players capable of that look like a good football team.

 

[Betson]

As an aside , Roy Keane and others mentioned on Sunday about a few Utd players either just before or after half time laughing and talking to stewards just outside the tunnel. Has anyone in the media reported on who those players were?

 

[MUFC OK]

Still not got my head around how shockingly poor and just plain childish that performance was.

Quite genuinely the worst I've ever seen from any professional sports team, and even if I include school games etc. I've been involved in, in terms of the attitude I think it's still a very strong contender. The worst part being that I really don't think that's being all that dramatic. If anything I'm being harsh on school teams.

It's not even like they were put in a difficult position by the ref etc. They conceded two shite goals due to their own pretty basic defensive errors, and then used that as an excuse to conduct the biggest and most prolonged sulk/tantrum ever seen on live television.

How am I meant to carry on taking this bunch of players seriously when I know that's how they react to things not going their way?

The only person coming out with any credit is Ten Hag, because he must be working miracles to make a group pf players capable of that look like a good football team.

A fair assessment.

I don't think ETH takes any credit from this though. Every manager should be able to implement a face saving plan B to shut up shop and avoid damage. The fact most of the goals came from counter attacks is evidence that he should take some blame for the scoreline by allowing them to continually pour forward. In any game you have to earn the right to play, we didnt have that licence at 3-0 down with how it was going.

As an aside , Roy Keane and others mentioned on Sunday about a few Utd players either just before or after half time laughing and talking to stewards just outside the tunnel. Has anyone in the media reported on who those players were?

I'd be shocked if one of them wasn't Luke Shaw.

 

[Nickelodeon]

I may be one of the rare few who is a bit more forgiving about the result. Obviously, its undeniable that the players clearly lost their heads in the second half and the performance regardless of the scoreline was shocking. But to be honest, this was a 3-1 or 4-1 worthy performance rather than the actual scoreline, as is proven by xG. In multiple goals (both Salah goals I think), random ricochet fell perfectly for him to finish. We've seen worse performances last season itself where we conceded a goal in the first few minutes and then got battered the remaining match. This game was more toe to toe where the team was pushing for goals even at 3-0 down.

We take one on the chin and yes, we will get bantered for this for a long time. But winning is our only revenge and the only way to get back on the horse.

 

[Firas United]

I know that we were let down by the players and it was shocking and worrying mentally … mentality of laziness and unprofessionalism … but there’s a fact I need to state that we got punished the maximum way in the match … I mean 6 goals were caused by stupid decisions of our players - lazy childish cross - poor control - giving stupid foul away and every time Liverpool get the break and they score … yes teams that make mistakes should be punished but usually when teams make 5-6 mistakes they go away with heavy defeat of 3-0 maybe 4-0 but not 7-0 !!!! I’ve never seen a match in my life where every mistake from a team led to a goal to the other team.
Plus some of the goals were really bizarre and weird … Salah first goal deflection led to an assist from McTominay just on the preferred left foot !! Or Salah’s 2nd goal assist from Firmino that he doesn’t know a clue about … Firmino’s goal !! As if he was shooting into an empty net ! How it went in I really don’t know and the most annoying one of them all is the second goal in the beginning of the 2nd half where we had a chance to clear the ball in the build up at least twice !

My point is this … yes we deserve to lose and big result because of the mentality and the attitude of the players but also everything in the match was going Liverpool’s way .. many teams could play as bad as we were and go away with 2-0 or 3-0 defeat … we got slammed to the max and if the match is repeated 10 times with the same mentality most probably we would lose them all but non of them 7-0

Just imagine that match finished 7-0 and our match against Tottenham this season finished 2-0 !!

 

[m1tch]

We effectively got rid of enough bluffers/players who weren't good enough/old legs

I would tend to agree, and when you look at the side there's not too many who played in that fixture who played in this one, certainly not enough to make you think the problem would still exist. The result was worse though, so it just raises some questions.
1. Is it really just a freak result and nothing more is to be taken from it?
2. Did we replace the bluffers with bluffers?
3. Are the bluffers still present from that 0-5 game big culprits in this result?
4. Is this a sign that these players could throw EtH under the bus? This is a stretch, don't get me wrong, but we are still essentially in the honeymoon period. We had bounces like this before (except under Rangnick).

 

[Shane88]

No level headedness for me, I'm afraid. 5-0 at Old Trafford last year and 7-0 this year. I'm shit sick of these clowns against Liverpool. Every year it's more and more humiliation against them. Even this year after we actually manage to scrape a win against them, have a good chance of finishing ahead of them in the league and win a cup, we still get subjected to this historic fecking shit.

I may be one of the rare few who is a bit more forgiving about the result. Obviously, its undeniable that the players clearly lost their heads in the second half and the performance regardless of the scoreline was shocking. But to be honest, this was a 3-1 or 4-1 worthy performance rather than the actual scoreline, as is proven by xG. In multiple goals (both Salah goals I think), random ricochet fell perfectly for him to finish. We've seen worse performances last season itself where we conceded a goal in the first few minutes and then got battered the remaining match. This game was more toe to toe where the team was pushing for goals even at 3-0 down.

We take one on the chin and yes, we will get bantered for this for a long time. But winning is our only revenge and the only way to get back on the horse.

Find your solace where you can but for goodness sake, XG is the biggest load of fecking wank ever brought into football analysis.

 

[gerdm07]

I may be one of the rare few who is a bit more forgiving about the result. Obviously, its undeniable that the players clearly lost their heads in the second half and the performance regardless of the scoreline was shocking. But to be honest, this was a 3-1 or 4-1 worthy performance rather than the actual scoreline, as is proven by xG. In multiple goals (both Salah goals I think), random ricochet fell perfectly for him to finish. We've seen worse performances last season itself where we conceded a goal in the first few minutes and then got battered the remaining match. This game was more toe to toe where the team was pushing for goals even at 3-0 down.

We take one on the chin and yes, we will get bantered for this for a long time. But winning is our only revenge and the only way to get back on the horse.

I'm one of the few. We were the better team in the 1st half and then everything that could go wrong went wrong in the 2nd half. The Firmino goal was pretty weird also as it went by at least three players.

Win the next two matches and we are back on track for top 3 and another trophy or two.

 

[Bosws87]

The irony of this whole thing is they are buzzing rightfully so, however The similarities between us and the early days of success under the glazers then the inevitable crumble over the next decade.

They seem to just be on the cusp of the inevitable crumble with American owners without the investment to keep up.

The last laugh very well may be ours.

 

[naijagoal]

Nice Thread.

 

[jackal&hyde]

For the first time in my life I could not sleep after a defeat. I kept waking up and ended up being a zombie at work. I'm not even super upset and I've been angry this season for other results. Just confused more then anything, or shell shocked even.

The good news is that it's still only 3 points. The bad, it's going to be a result that will be remembered for many decades now and it has the potential to upset the confidence we've been building this season. I hope the later is not the case but regardless, we've got the worst possible example for how light out squad is and the results of not being able to rotate.

ETH passed all the tests thus far, now he has another: get the team back on it's feet and go again.

 

[Josh 76]

For the first time in my life I could not sleep after a defeat. I kept waking up and ended up being a zombie at work. I'm not even super upset and I've been angry this season for other results. Just confused more then anything, or shell shocked even.

The good news is that it's still only 3 points. The bad, it's going to be a result that will be remembered for many decades now and it has the potential to upset the confidence we've been building this season. I hope the later is not the case but regardless, we've got the worst possible example for how light out squad is and the results of not being able to rotate.

ETH passed all the tests thus far, now he has another: get the team back on it's feet and go again.

I haven’t watched any football. Not listened to any radio. Read any media. Im still in shock.

I tried to watch the Brentford V Fulham game last night, but had to turn it off after a couple of minutes.

I don’t think I’ll ever recover from this. It just doesn’t make sense.

Liverpool 7-0 Man Utd

I would be sick to the stomach if I saw this score line on my lads FIFA game!

 

[crossy1686]

Says a lot for the standards of our fanbase that many were so ready to laud Weghorst. Yes he was a creative solution to a problem but he's so far below the level that's required, it's actually laughable.

That guy has a point as well, if that was Ronaldo/Pogba touching the sign the knives would be out on here.

He doesn't though does he? Pogba would have been in Dubai and Ronaldo would have been too busy looking at his own reflection to see the sign in the first place.

Weghorst is just enjoying being here, in what is probably his last ever season at this level. He's enjoying himself and making memories, last weekend was the wrong kind of memories but he won't be here come August so who cares if he touches a sign?

 

[jackal&hyde]

I haven’t watched any football. Not listened to any radio. Read any media. Im still in shock.

I tried to watch the Brentford V Fulham game last night, but had to turn it off after a couple of minutes.

I don’t think I’ll ever recover from this. It just doesn’t make sense.

Liverpool 7-0 Man Utd

I would be sick to the stomach if I saw this score line on my lads FIFA game!

I go on media silence after any defeat but still, it's just a PL game and all banter aside, we did win a trophy and are good for top 4. It was the mother of all "it just happens" but that is all. A shock to be sure, but we get back to wining now and it's just one of those things. 8 shots on target 7 goals, our shit and unprofessional performance aside, it was a once in a decade or more situation. Klopp got 7 in the bag a few years ago, we put 8 past L' Arse, it happens and that is all.

 

[Kingofwinners]

As an aside , Roy Keane and others mentioned on Sunday about a few Utd players either just before or after half time laughing and talking to stewards just outside the tunnel. Has anyone in the media reported on who those players were?

Fred was one just after half time on way back out. I remember thinking it just looked off at the time. No concentration or annoyance at the situation.

 

[JagUTD]

On top of the teams performance second half, what struck me was how everything went wrong, in an almost worked comedic fashion.

Multiple attempts at clearing a ball which just seemed to bounce back off one of our players to then happen again, stumbling over, passes placed perfectly into Liverpool on coming attackers.

Our entire second half performance could have been a special edition of You've Been Framed or any of the blooper reel shows. Chuck the Benny Hill theme over the top and it's early afternoon Saturday TV at it's best.

 

[SouthMancRed]

Every ex Liverpool player is coming out from under their rock on Sky Sports News.

I think their has been a complete over reaction by the media for what was a disastrous 45 minutes of football ... what can go wrong will go wrong and all that.

I hope the players and ETH see all this rubbish and come back twice as strong.

United coming back and dominating like a few years ago would upset so many in the media, I look forward to those days.

Have to say that some of the reactions from Liverpool pundits and fans had me fooled into thinking they'd won the PL and CL this season already...

It's one of the reasons they're so obnoxious. Gloating is second nature to them. They're bad losers but even worse winners.

A few days later and I still can't get my head around how a team with Varane, Martinez and Casemiro in it could let this happen.

That was one of the main reasons I was so shocked. Rafa and Case have seen it all, won it all and aren't phased by hostile atmospheres while I thought Licha thrived in that environment. Them being there, on and off the field, helped me think results like this had gone. I'm still staggered they were key parts of it all.

 

[Josh 76]

I go on media silence after any defeat but still, it's just a PL game and all banter aside, we did win a trophy and are good for top 4. It was the mother of all "it just happens" but that is all. A shock to be sure, but we get back to wining now and it's just one of those things. 8 shots on target 7 goals, our shit and unprofessional performance aside, it was a once in a decade or more situation. Klopp got 7 in the bag a few years ago, we put 8 past L' Arse, it happens and that is all.

Once in a decade? It’s becoming a seasonal event.
0-5
4-0
7-0

not even relegated teams get school this regularly by those feckers!

 

[MUFC OK]

He doesn't though does he? Pogba would have been in Dubai and Ronaldo would have been too busy looking at his own reflection to see the sign in the first place.

Weghorst is just enjoying being here, in what is probably his last ever season at this level. He's enjoying himself and making memories, last weekend was the wrong kind of memories but he won't be here come August so who cares if he touches a sign?

Don’t know where to start with that. If you don’t think it shows a double standard we can just disagree.

 

[crossy1686]

Don’t know where to start with that. If you don’t think it shows a double standard we can just disagree.

One players runs himself into the ground on a regular basis, another can’t wait to be subbed off because he’s ripped his sock. I’d say Weghorst cares more than Pogba ever did during his time here.

There’s a video of Alan Shearer whistling you’ll never walk alone in the tunnel before a game with Newcastle. There comes a point where you realise none of that actually matters and what you do on the pitch does.

 

[DJ_21]

It still baffles me why ETH thought it was a good idea to start Bruno LW? Trent can’t defend… previous managers have had success with rashford there. Rashford will rinse him all game and would have had him pinned back. That’s the biggest mistake here…

 

[Betson]

Once in a decade? It’s becoming a seasonal event.
0-5
4-0
7-0

not even relegated teams get school this regularly by those feckers!

Yes it is becoming a pattern now , and I think had we not been fired up by the Brentford defeat earlier in the season we would probably have sleep walked into a another hammering by them at Old Trafford.

No matter how many times they wallop us(or pts ahead of us) they are always fired up to the hilt every time they meet us and are ready to go to war , we by comparison tend to approach these games in a very timid fashion.

 

[jackal&hyde]

Once in a decade? It’s becoming a seasonal event.
0-5
4-0
7-0

not even relegated teams get school this regularly by those feckers!

Well, only one of those results happened this decade. So yes.

 

[dpansheth]

Firmly believe it was 20% ETH fault and 80% players giving up. After the highs of winning a trophy I can probably sympathize with players on feeling of drowning when down 3-0.
The curse from last 10 years especially down days like these should not become a norm and to me this is ETH’s first real test. Getting a reaction out of the team. For the next game fatigue doesn’t matter when you are humiliated this way by your fiercest rival.
Lets see.

 

[cpresc]

Call me sadistic but I'm actual okay with this result.. the team and manager this year have been so refreshing and I've loved every part of the season up until Sunday.

The thing is, this is only really 3 points and a bit of a goal difference hit and then of course bragging rights.

But, we're still making great progress and ahead of where any of us thought we'd be. We have a nice buffer in the top 4 positions and now we have had a massively humiliating, humbling experience which any time this team picks back up on form they will be reminded of. And, next year when we're going for the title, we'll have a massive grudge to take 3 points at Anfield next year.

It was a freak result and IMO I didn't think we played bad at all for the first 60 mins despite the score and Liverpool's XG kinda backs that up.

Honestly cannot believe there's people in here saying we need to question Casemiro, Martinez, Varane and Ten Hag... seriously?! Everyone was knackered and very under prepared.

We'll be fine.

 

[r1z3mu]

This is as shocking as it gets. 12 people are at fault and one of them is ETH. I hope he learns from his mistakes. Starting Dalot was huge error. Playing Bruno out of position another one. Playing Weghorst and so on.... But he will learn, correct and we will succeed.

 

[Red00012]

Close this thread so we can move on please

 

[NewDawnFades]

Close this thread so we can move on please

You can't just move on, this was a seven nil defeat. Seven nil.

 

[Hugh Jass]

Close this thread so we can move on please

Agreed.

 

[Loon]

If what Luke Shaw has said about foot off the gas following the cup final is true, the result might be a horrific blessing in disguise.

 

[Heardy]

If what Luke Shaw has said about foot off the gas following the cup final is true, the result might be a horrific blessing in disguise.

??

 

[gerdm07]

Close this thread so we can move on please

Agree

 

[tjb]

A few days later and I still can't get my head around how a team with Varane, Martinez and Casemiro in it could let this happen. If they couldn't control the team then we probably need to rethink ideas like "right back / goalkeeper / centre midfield / etc might not be immediate priorities in the summer."

I'm not sure what to think of the argument of "it's one result", I can't stop thinking of Keano's quote after Liverpool thrashed us 5-0 at Old Trafford...
“There are too many bluffers, and ultimately these players will cost Ole his job. The players he has got there, they threw the previous manager under the bus, and they will do the same to Ole.”
Have we got rid of enough of the bluffers?

I don't think we should ever have been thinking of putting those positions on the backburner, they are clearly the difference between us potential being a dominant european team and where we are now. I don't think the GK would change us quite as much as people think. At the end of the day, DDG has been a strong, loyal player for us and deserves the time to fully adapt, particularly as there are more concerning positions.

Make no mistake, Dalot, Eriksen/Fred, Sancho/Antony and Martial/Wout should really not be safe when it comes to the starting xi. We can get a better and more consistent right back than Dalot, and if the right opportunity comes, we should be taking it. We NEED to get a stronger, more versatile and better defensive player next to Casemiro. To fully maximize the squad and consider his age, a player who can play both as a 6 or as an 8 and provide the defensive positional presence neither Eriksen or Fred can consistently provide. Sancho and Antony both NEED to prove they belong here. Even whilst we have been winning, neither have done so. Rashford has been carry the attacking burden on this team almost on his own this season, they need to step up or be replaced. We will sign a no.9 and we clearly need to.

With changes, depth will come as a result of some players falling down the pecking order. Not because they are poor performers, but because we should always be looking to improve especially where we are weak.

 

[SouthMancRed]

Close this thread so we can move on please

Agreed.

How about just moving on past the thread and ignoring it if it upsets you so much.

 

[spiriticon]

Honestly I'm still in disbelief. What a bunch of fecking mentality wankers we have for a team.

Perennial bitches for the scousers.