You're wrong and obviously haven't seen him play.nope he wasn't. His only playmaking was to set up a one two give and go so he can get into the box and score himself
You're wrong and obviously haven't seen him play.nope he wasn't. His only playmaking was to set up a one two give and go so he can get into the box and score himself
The post of someone who never saw Ronaldo play.R9 didn't actually have all that much success at club level, one league title, one uefa Cup, no champions leagues, I don't think saying haaland could have replicated that is too strong a statement. And the brazil 2002 side was very strong, I think they'd have a decent chance of winning it with haaland instead of ronaldo
Ronaldo could create something out of nothing through his dribbling and skill - either for himself or for his teammates. Haaland cannot. Haaland's skillset may be better for some teams, while Ronaldo's is better for others, but you cannot convince me that they are equally creative, because they might end up scoring the same amount of goals.Yes but it was all for the purpose of scoring goals, hence his impact is goal attributed like Haaland.
Reminded me of this, Materazzi used to get away with a lot to put it mildly.It is. Just an example.
Nowadays with stud up challenge condemnation and especially afterVAR being implemented, defenders had less tools to work with.
Football used to be tougher. If you do fancy footwork, expect to get kicked. Attacking the space, and you likely end up getting seriously hurt. When watching older games, you may notice that defenders are much more aggressive, and ready trigger to put in an "accident challenge". Just a dark art of bodychecking. Soreing up attackers. Players also forced/tried to play through injuries a lot. Barely anyone were really 100% healthy. Shorter career/peak for attackers/players at the receiving end.
The derby matches everywhere used to be games, where two teams kick the shit out of each other, and ref would be much tolerable, or both teams would have been halved with nowadays red card worthy foul.
Well he does, as he’s failed to score a non penalty goal in 12 games this season, often due to his teammates ignoring him.I disagree that Haaland can’t create for himself. He just doesn’t need to in this side or for what Pep wants from him.
Remember when SAF told everyone in the team to find and feed RVP because he would win them the league? The same applies to Haaland. Pep likes his team to be structured and work for the team, not for themselves. He’s famously been annoyed at players who have assisted or scored because they’ve done stuff that went against the grain of his philosophy etc. It is quite clear in this City side what the role of Haaland is and it is up to the other players to assist in that.Well he does, as he’s failed to score a non penalty goal in 12 games this season, often due to his teammates ignoring him.
A few of these games have cost City a lead in the title race.
If he wants to go up another level, he has to start creating his own goals also when his team aren’t providing him.
Well thats just not objective mate. Its like RVN for us the guy cant stop scoring and Im not sfraid to say itsthere's nothing joyful about this game, more like a weird circus act you can't help looking at
Come on dude, this is nonsense.Well he does, as he’s failed to score a non penalty goal in 12 games this season, often due to his teammates ignoring him.
A few of these games have cost City a lead in the title race.
If he wants to go up another level, he has to start creating his own goals also when his team aren’t providing him.
What are you talking about? The guy said haaland could replicate ronaldo's success had he played on his team. I took this to mean trophies won, and its not exactly a high bar to clear, he wasn't particularly successful, trophy wise, over his career, at club levelThe post of someone who never saw Ronaldo play.
I'm mid 30s. Saw him play plenty. Nostalgia playing tricks again as it always does. We often look back on players like they were perfect but truth is I would say Thierry Henry was a play maker forward, Ronaldo Nazario Di Lima was simply not. He was one track minded on getting to the goal as quickly as possible with his skill and directnessYou're wrong and obviously haven't seen him play.
Ronaldo hardly created shit for his teammates. Had about same number of assists in Europe's top 5 leagues as RVN who was more of a poacher. I never said they were even equally creative you are missing my argument. I said Haaland would have the same successRonaldo could create something out of nothing through his dribbling and skill - either for himself or for his teammates. Haaland cannot. Haaland's skillset may be better for some teams, while Ronaldo's is better for others, but you cannot convince me that they are equally creative, because they might end up scoring the same amount of goals.
I think we have very different definitions of "creating" then. For me it's much more than assists.Ronaldo hardly created shit. Had about same number of assists in Europe's top 5 leagues as RVN who was more of a poacher. I never said they were even equally creative you are missing my argument. I said Haaland would have the same success
My Dad is 5' 11", I'm, 6' 2" and I have 3 brothers who are 6' 6", 6' 3" and 6' 5" respectively so heigt differential is pretty normalDid Haaland use HGH or anabolic steroids? His facial features look like he roided out. Not even sure if that stuff is banned anymore? He seems to have had quite the prodigious growth spurt to get up to 6’5” when his dad was only 6’1”.
I'm mid 30s. Saw him play plenty. Nostalgia playing tricks again as it always does. We often look back on players like they were perfect but truth is I would say Thierry Henry was a play maker forward, Ronaldo Nazario Di Lima was simply not. He was one track minded on getting to the goal as quickly as possible with his skill and directness
I highly doubt R9 would even agree with your assessment himself. R9 was a phenomenal striker. His power, strength, explosiveness, pace, shooting (with two foot), dribbling were his strong attributes. Playmaking however was not. If you consider he used his dribbling ability and his explosiveness to go past the entire defense as "play making" then so be it.
Ronaldo may not be as heavy play maker like Henry, but he's a playmaker no doubt. One track minded term would prove you that either had a bad memory or you didn't watch enough football when you said what you said.
The only real objective in football is to win, in other words score more goals that the opposition, nothing else really mattersIt's not madness. Dortmund didn't become better and City didnt become better. It might have other reasons and maybe the teams would have been 'even worse' without his arrival due to other developments but so far it is a fact that he didn't improve their performance levels.
And Benzema and Lewandowski are technically extremely good and contribute much more than Haaland. Benzema especially won three UCL's as basically a playmaker with in comparison mediocre goal outputs.
It is important to actually play football and not only score goals in every position. This goal obsession is really annoying. There are dozens of important plays in a football game that can't be measured in goals and when you don't consider them important, you're being ignorant, simple as that.
Which part is nonsense?Come on dude, this is nonsense.
And you're just saying it's all about dribbling. No passing, no range of passing. No composure, vision to choose the better passing option.??I highly doubt R9 would even agree with your assessment himself. R9 was a phenomenal striker. His power, strength, explosiveness, pace, shooting (with two foot), dribbling were his strong attributes. Playmaking however was not. If you consider he used his dribbling ability and his explosiveness to go past the entire defense as "play making" then so be it.
His pure natural footballing instinct. Very few players are born with it which makes them unique. He deserves to be talked about in the same sentence as Maradona, Messi, Pele, Zidane, Ronaldinho and Pele. Haaland as good a goal scorer as he is will never be compared to any of them no matter how many goals he scores and I don't mean to take anything way from Haaland as his record speaks for itself.I mean r9 didn't exactly do much off ball. He was lazy, had his hands on his hips and did not press. He wasn't a playmaker or creator so what was his contribution measured by?
He might be a player much dependent on service, but since he's getting that service it doesnt really matter. Much agree with you.The only real objective in football is to win, in other words score more goals that the opposition, nothing else really matters
Ask any fan would you rather your team play fancy football and win nothing or play less exciting football and win trophies - you'll only need your fingers to count the former and a calculator for the latter
If City really played to his strengths then he'd be really scary, against us at OT he could have scored 3-4 if they had TBHHe might be a player much dependent on service, but since he's getting that service it doesnt really matter. Much agree with you.
Ronaldo Nazario has an official Twitter account and you should ask him directly. I watched enough R9 since his Ajax days.And you're just saying it's all about dribbling. No passing, no range of passing. No composure, vision to choose the better passing option.??
Did you even try to watch the video I linked?
No a player who created goals for themselves is not the same as a player who depends on teammates to create chancesYes so his contribution is scoring goals like Haaland.
Sure, but football is a team sport.No a player who created goals for themselves is not the same as a player who depends on teammates to create chances
Spoken like somebody who didn't watch football when Ronaldo was around...I kinda feel Haaland would have had Ronaldo's success if he replaced R9 in all his teams
Ronaldo Nazario has an official Twitter account and you should ask him directly. I watched enough R9 since his Ajax days.
He didnt play for Ajax....Ronaldo Nazario has an official Twitter account and you should ask him directly. I watched enough R9 since his Ajax days.
Every single forward player will make assists by result of them being the closest to goal and thus will have an assist compilation. Ronaldo made 75 assists. Many seasons he ended with 4 assists. That is no play makers. Even Robbie Fowler made nearly 60 assists. Andy Cole made 88. Is Cole a playmaker?
Ronaldo may not be as heavy play maker like Henry, but he's a playmaker no doubt. One track minded term would prove you that either had a bad memory or you didn't watch enough football when you said what you said.
PSV, you are right!He didnt play for Ajax....
Obsessing over goals being scored is an annoyance.[QUOTE="Zehner, post: 30293532, member: 1
It is important to actually play football and not only score goals in every position. This goal obsession is really annoying. There are dozens of important plays in a football game that can't be measured in goals and when you don't consider them important, you're being ignorant, simple as that.
See the thing is players like van nistelrooy and haaland do create chances for themselves with their off the ball movement, it might be less visually impressive than dribbling past multiple players but it's very much a difficult skill and there's a reason there aren't more players scoring 40 goals a seasonNo a player who created goals for themselves is not the same as a player who depends on teammates to create chances
crazy cos I remember watching the Uefa cup final LIVE when his Inter team beat my Lazio. Not only did I watch Gazetta football Italia that period, I also played competitive football every week, but go off king!Spoken like somebody who didn't watch football when Ronaldo was around...
they don't get it. Scholes said a midfielder is only as good as his striker. He meant his striker's movement. There is a reason Haaland scores so many damn goals in all leagues. At all levels he is a 1:1 forward. That's actually nuts.See the thing is players like van nistelrooy and haaland do create chances for themselves with their off the ball movement, it might be less visually impressive than dribbling past multiple players but it's very much a difficult skill and there's a reason there aren't more players scoring 40 goals a season
Its a bit like saying RVN played for Liverpool or somethingPSV, you are right!