Of course mate but at what point is a consortium of wealthy members of a states ruling family not considered state backed/funded?
To be honest I'm not that fussed about human rights issues either way - was relevant but overblown when the World Cup was in Qatar, not so relevant to who is the best owner for Man United.
Do you think getting tax advantages over rivals (government support) means Jim's bid is entirely his own finances and not as a result of tax advantages (government backing)? The Jassim bid is reported as private, not a government body. Given it's normal, these days, to demonstrate proof of funds and origin, it is fair to say other know better than me.
You could just come right out and say you don't think sports washing is a thing.
Wouldn't be hidden if it could be stated clearly. Assuming you would want evidence with that.
Sports washing?
There's always one.
I was against it before but after seeing how City have dominated the PL I've become for it.
This made me chuckle. You know the reason why. It's same way Chelsea fans justified Putin's hundreds of millions via Abramovich. Or City fans, Newcastle fans, Real fans et al. Clearly most fans only care about loads money and being successful. And they'll justify it. Like Chelsea fans did.
Is this in they don’t matter to you or theydon’t exist?
Well maybe if you hadnt deleted half my sentence you'd know the answer !
That post wasn't directed at you mate and while obviously I'm not in favour of the Qatar bid I'd largely agree with the first bolded part of your post there. My objections to them hosting the World Cup and owning United are based on different things.
That’s what you’re saying. You’re ignoring the masses of available data around you (which is all speculation albeit it supporting what I and the majority of this thread are saying) and your only response when anyone challenges you is that no one can prove anything so therefore they can’t say anything with certainty.
But a lack of investment is not what the Qatari ownership would be critizised for, would it?
I didn’t really get the point. Overblown makes it seem like it’s not true - the next part just for Man United.
Unbelievable; HBJ isn't bidding so your comment isn't true. Neither of those sources are referenced, if you want to use those i can only laugh. The archive of the US congress has it at 20,000 for the Thani house.
We're all the same way.
no, it's what reputable sources say. Mass data based on nothing lacks any credibility.
Right so if the money Jassim is using for this takeover bid isn't coming from his father (despite his father implying it is) then where is it coming from? It makes you wonder if it's....
Don’t be daft mate, you’re the one who needs to provide the evidence.
Imagine laughing at evidenced and reviewed work, yet what to use poor non-reviewed work to support an argument.Right so if the money Jassim is using for this takeover bid isn't coming from his father (despite his father implying it is) then where is it coming from? It makes you wonder if it's....
Yet you can’t name a single reputable source..
Get real, I used journals and sources at the US government.
Undoubtedly some human rights issues exist in all the Gulf countries, I think they were relevant but exaggerated by the media when the World Cup spotlight was on Qatar. Although perhaps that is no bad thing since it lead to improvements for workers rights etc.
HBJ actually did an interview where he talked about the bid and saying it wasn't an investment he would normally do but his sons want it
I'm well aware of it, like you said and i have said previously, at no point did he say he was investing.
Whataboutism. But, stop deflecting, we are talking about Qatar, which is not a free country, especially not for women, LGTB+ people and migrant workers. It is a repressive regime involved in blatant human rights abuses.
And round in circles. You believe there is a link despite HBJ saying its his sons investment, despite reports its a private bid.. If you think there is a link prove it..
I love how you’re still not understanding how a private bid can (or cannot) be state backed. This is beyond basic.
Where was this exactly?
What specifically do you want a source for mate?
You made that up in your own head and decided to write it?
Go read
You are talking to a troll, he's been posting the same snarky one-liners for the past few days. He's not interested in logic, because he's doing this in bad faith.
I'm well aware of it. It's not my opinion that his father isn't backing him, it's implied in a conversation with HBJ
What absolute nonsense, frankly i take issues with your false insinuation.
Did you believe the Newcastle bid wasn’t state led too?
Alright, I misunderstood your post above.
Mustn't be great evidence in that case.
