wow of course! I don’t see how fans can’t see the restrictions his working with. No other top manger would put up with it.
Do the fans actually trust ETH or is he walking the Green Mile?
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This.
You don‘t like Martinez and Casemiro? How can ypu have zero trust?
I wasn’t born at the time but I wonder how many of the posters on here that don’t trust ETH right now, didn’t trust SAF in the 80’s either when he became our manager and massively struggled to begin with before we started winning things on a consistent basis in the 90’s?
My guess is probably not many, in fact none of them.
My guess is probably not many, in fact none of them.
Some fans deserve Ole or a Conte. With the exception of Klopp & Pep who would fans be happy with?
When did we lose 6-1 to Spurs?!?
irrevelent. We are not living in the 80s. On that basis LVG, Ole and Jose should have been giving 5-6 seasons then and £800 million until it clicked?
Since every post you make here is negative and about not trusting ETH, i do wonder what your expectations were before the season?
You're putting a lot of weight on things that haven't happened yet (or might never happen) to justify something that has already happened.
Like I said in my earlier reply, unless he bottles a top 4 finish he'll still manage us next season. So he'll have at least one more season to try and mask the most humiliating result in the clubs history by winning the CL or PL. If his tenure ends with us winning neither, that result will the one that'll be associated with him and his tenure more than anything.
October 2020 at OT. I mentioned it in relation to the mentally and hammerings we've had in the recent years, the 5-0 to Pool last season at OT as well and many more.
I could be wrong but i think that was a game with a famous Maguire moment. Where he was grabbing Shaw and throwing him to the ground so Spurs could score
Hard to say until the transfer window is complete as we do not know the composition of our squad. After the window shut:
MINIMUM CL qualification, FA Cup would be a nice touch (still possible). I had hoped we could win the Europa as I felt we had one of the best squads.
Once I saw Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs were going to be a joke then my expectations were adjusted to 3rd.
What has that to do with Ten Hag?I could be wrong but i think that was a game with a famous Maguire moment. Where he was grabbing Shaw and throwing him to the ground so Spurs could score
The question should be does ETH trust his players? Which the answer will be no. He knows full well he can’t implement his style of play with this bunch of players. Probably need a couple more windows to get the squad up to scratch. He had a good first window and needs to build on that starting with a ST.
The caf would have sacked Klopp in his first season…
Half the caf are more interested with prophesies of doom to brag about how clever they are later.
Any reasonable fan accepts that last season we were completely sh*t and now we are significantly less sh*t. Throw in a trophy and top 4 and the man should begetting hyped not harangued.
I have zero trust that he has detailed player knowledge outside of the Netherlands. Casemiro is one of the best midfielders in the world and a no brainer if available.
My issues relate more to our terrible recruitment setup that’s relied on the manager more than it should over the last decade.
Yes, but that does not mean that I will ignore everything he does. I will question his selections and transfer targets. Some people seem to believe that if you question anything he does, you don't believe in him. We have improved in some areas, but still massively struggle in others. Our away record is atrocious and we've had some really bad defeats this season. He needs at least another transfer window to put together his team.
His signings have been mostly good, but his insistence on buying Antony for as much as we did is concerning. I'm pretty certain the club are going to take an L on that. He also seems to have heavily targeted players that he has either managed or watched play in the Netherlands. We need to be searching wider than that.
His signings have been mostly good, but his insistence on buying Antony for as much as we did is concerning. I'm pretty certain the club are going to take an L on that. He also seems to have heavily targeted players that he has either managed or watched play in the Netherlands. We need to be searching wider than that.
Give him Frenkie de Jong 
We finished 6th last season with probably the most dysfunctional set up the team has ever played under since pre-Fergie days, winning just 11 points from the last 11 games if I'm not mistaken.
Would merely finishing top 6 again really be that much of an achievement or improvement? Particularly in the context of Chelsea's disastrous season, Spurs' problems and Liverpool being rubbish for most of the season?
And I'm asking that as someone who believes Erik is the right man for the job. I just think anything outside top 4 this season is a disaster for the club.
ETH hasn't even had a year, though.
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That 7-0 game was genuinely a freakish outlier. Basing your whole view of ETH on it seems a little whacky, no? I know we've lost other games badly, but the main problem is the lack of a top striker, which is not the manager's fault.
First, you have to realize that no top players in their right mind wanted to come to Man United no more.
In that context, Ten Hag getting top players that he knows and that want to play for him make sense: Martinez, Antony, Eriksen.
Casemiro played against Ten Hag, when Ajax humiliated them two times. He also wanted to play for him and was not put off by the challenge (compare this to fecking Ronaldo).
We are in a better position now: on the brink of securing CL next season and we have a top manager.
To think he has no knowledge of players outside of eredivisie is naive.
The only thing holding us back now is the ownership situation.
I get you.
You make a good point about bayern and Real but I still think a big reason why they are successful and why they aren't mismanaged as much is they aren't afraid to pull the trigger on managers quickly rather than giving them 3 years in hope they do something.
Didn't say I feel bad, I feel awesome! In terms of trusting ETH, Wout on a 6 month loan is one thing, repeatably subbing him in a effectively killing our attacking play over the past few games is another, and my only gripe.
I have a lot of time for ETH otherwise, I feel he's the best decision the club have made in recent times
It's not a freakish outlier in the season we've also conceded 6 against Man City.
Spot on.
I've noticed the same thing and it's pretty obvious there's a certain section of fans who want him to fail due to the criticism the likes of Mourinho and Solslkjaer received.
I agree but I'm not convinced about hyped, I'm interested to see how this goes.
I fully trust him. I think he quickly identified the issues within the club, and managed to steer us in the right direction given the available resources. He isn't someone to make excuses which is something I really value in a manager, and I think he knows exactly what he needs to do going forward and should be backed.
You have to judge on more than purely results, do you see progression, is the floor of the squad being raised, is a style of play emerging, is the culture improving? For those three above these questions result in very damning answers.
Football is about winning
If we don’t make top 4 he will lose the trust of most fans
The lack of funds for a striker has handicapped him this season
Let’s see what he can do with a proper fit striker next season
Having to rely on AM,CR and WW as strikers for the season hasn’t helped him at all
If we don’t make top 4 he will lose the trust of most fans
The lack of funds for a striker has handicapped him this season
Let’s see what he can do with a proper fit striker next season
Having to rely on AM,CR and WW as strikers for the season hasn’t helped him at all
100%, this SQUAD of players is pretty rubbish by top team standards and it can't be underestimated how brutal our schedule has been which compounds that even further, I think Utd have played the most amount of games in Europe so far this season.
We were also the joint 4th European club tied with Real for the most players at the world cup (second in the prem only behind City)
For example, we had to play Sevilla away a few days before the FA cup semi final with Brighton (who had a full week rest) and then the next game after that De Zerbi said he had to rest basically his first team because they were tired and we had to field basically the same team away to Spurs.
We were also the joint 4th European club tied with Real for the most players at the world cup (second in the prem only behind City)
For example, we had to play Sevilla away a few days before the FA cup semi final with Brighton (who had a full week rest) and then the next game after that De Zerbi said he had to rest basically his first team because they were tired and we had to field basically the same team away to Spurs.
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Considering the absolute dross he has to work with I think he's doing a stellar job
Had we lost Greenwood and Ronaldo earlier the story would have been different. From what I remember Greenwood was during the season, right? Or was it just before
We needed to rotate earlier in the season but it seemed Ten Hags plan was simple, get a lead early in the league and then defend it after.
What I would do for one academy CM or CF to have broken through this season, but they didn’t get much of a chance.
we can’t sign five backups so the academy has to play a part here
This is absolutely unequivocal nonsense. I've seen some bad takes on redcafe before, but frankly how low an opinion of your club can you have if you believe this. Every summer people say "why would a top player come to our club" and -every- summer a top player comes to our club. Never forgotten how everyone told me that Pogba would never sign for a club like us at the time, that Ronaldo would choose city, etc. Even Martinez turned down arsenal I believe. We had first dibs on Haaland but Raiola wanted that release clause for his payoff too, which was why Dortmund had to sell.
Original article from de Telegraaf but here https://www.sportbible.com/football...bed-arsenal-when-they-approached-him-20220714
I can't say I trust him blindly. He has me scratching my head way too often, not that my views are of any relevance to his merits.
I desperately want him to do well, that much I'm clear about.
I desperately want him to do well, that much I'm clear about.
Not as much as I’d like to.
If he loses out on top four now there will be fans calling for him to be sacked.
Trust is bit overrated, especially from United perspective, not to mention usually in first season trust is based on new manager effect. He trusted Ronaldo to be his main striker and got fooked in the end, then he trusted Maguire and it immediately sabotaged quite a decent EL run.
Many supporters trusted this season there will be no injury plagues and in matter of days centre of defense (Licha-Varane) are gone. Matter of days.
Next season I trust he has pair of eyes and can predict scenarios to prevent the worst case ones. He's not a bad manager after all.
Many supporters trusted this season there will be no injury plagues and in matter of days centre of defense (Licha-Varane) are gone. Matter of days.
Next season I trust he has pair of eyes and can predict scenarios to prevent the worst case ones. He's not a bad manager after all.